Why don't we see multicolored lions (white, black, calico, etc) unlike cata

3 months ago by FukOui to c/askscience

Considering that cats are descended from big cats like lions

AbouBenAdhem 22 points 3 months ago

There’s a common trend among domesticated animals—they tend to develop more variegated coloring than their wild ancestors.

One theory is that domestication affects traits that involve early embryonic development, and that have a lot of associated changes beyond what was actually selected for (i.e. tameness).

Another possibility is that, in the absence of selection, animals naturally produce more variation in coloration than is seen in the wild—but natural selection is continually weeding out those that are disadvantageous in their current environment.

path: 0 24763394, hotness: undefined, score: 22, children: 1
DagwoodIII 10 points 3 months ago

Makes sense.

You don't know when the next deforestation or forced migration will come. What was great camouflage for the last generation might be a huge disadvantage this time around.

path: 0 24763394 24763439, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
givesomefucks 7 points 3 months ago

Because lions live in savannah...

If they lived in the artic they'd be white.

If they lived where there was shadows they'd be black.

If they had multiple colorations in the same breeding population, they'd have calicos on occasion.

Anything except savannah color is a disadvantage, so that's all there is.

path: 0 24763088, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 3
PlantJam 6 points 3 months ago

If they lived in the artic they'd be white.

To expand on this, if they lived in the arctic, there would be "selection pressure" in the form of either reduced hunting success for predators or increased predation for prey species. That selection pressure is really all that evolution is: being more likely to succeed and pass on your genes.

path: 0 24763088 24764922, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
frongt 6 points 3 months ago

Also, modern domestic cats are the result of breeding. Wild cats mostly reflect their environment in their coat.

path: 0 24763088 24763279, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
TIEPilot 2 points 3 months ago

I think Darwin might be on to something...

path: 0 24763088 24770751, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
DagwoodIII 5 points 3 months ago

Little cats didn't evolve from big cats.

Little mice chasers started coming to human habitations when humans started building silos to hold grain. The humans saw the cats were useful and kept them around.

https://www.animalwised.com/...

path: 0 24763406, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 5
CanadaPlus 2 points 3 months ago

Although, the small wildcats tend to have more uniform fur colour, as well.

path: 0 24763406 24783172, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 4
DagwoodIII 1 point 3 months ago

I'll assume you're talking about the one you see in nature photography.

If the coloring is detrimental to survival, those oddly colored ones probably don't survive long enough to reproduce.

Not an expert.

path: 0 24763406 24783172 24784230, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 3
CanadaPlus 2 points 3 months ago

Bobcats are as small as they get where I live, and they're hella reclusive. So yes, pictures.

They all have to hunt and be stealthy, the main difference is how big they are. Cheetahs even meow rather than roar.

path: 0 24763406 24783172 24784230 24786954, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 2
DagwoodIII 1 point 3 months ago

A quick search reveals that there are wildcats that are smaller than domestic ones.

path: 0 24763406 24783172 24784230 24786954 24789038, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
oyfrog 3 points 3 months ago

It might, but exceedingly rarely. Albinism and melanism occurs in many taxa including species in the genus Panthera (which include lions and tigers). These are rare traits in general because they are selected against for one reason or another and don't proliferate in the wild.

Another possibility is that these phenotypes are linked to genes that have other downstream developmental effects that lead to non-viable fetuses.

Another fun one (possibly) is that some of these coat traits are controlled partially by the environment/the animal's spatial relationship with the environment. Siamese cats have the characteristic darker coat colors on their extremities (ears, paws, tails, snout, this is called acromelanism) because the melanism is controlled by lower temperature. If an animal never experiences a low temperature, that phenotype might never be expressed.

These are all possibilities. I'm a biologist but I don't study felids (cats and big cats).

path: 0 24779617, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
CanadaPlus 3 points 3 months ago

Wolves also have less natural colours than dogs. We like pets that stand out, while in the wild it's just bad camoflage.

path: 0 24783151, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
askscience
askscience

@lemmy.world

login for more options
18056
511
592

Ask a science question, get a science answer.


Community Rules

Rule 1: Be respectful and inclusive.

Treat others with respect, and maintain a positive atmosphere.


Rule 2: No harassment, hate speech, bigotry, or trolling.

Avoid any form of harassment, hate speech, bigotry, or offensive behavior.


Rule 3: Engage in constructive discussions.

Contribute to meaningful and constructive discussions that enhance scientific understanding.


Rule 4: No AI-generated answers.

Strictly prohibit the use of AI-generated answers. Providing answers generated by AI systems is not allowed and may result in a ban.


Rule 5: Follow guidelines and moderators' instructions.

Adhere to community guidelines and comply with instructions given by moderators.


Rule 6: Use appropriate language and tone.

Communicate using suitable language and maintain a professional and respectful tone.


Rule 7: Report violations.

Report any violations of the community rules to the moderators for appropriate action.


Rule 8: Foster a continuous learning environment.

Encourage a continuous learning environment where members can share knowledge and engage in scientific discussions.


Rule 9: Source required for answers.

Provide credible sources for answers. Failure to include a source may result in the removal of the answer to ensure information reliability.


By adhering to these rules, we create a welcoming and informative environment where science-related questions receive accurate and credible answers. Thank you for your cooperation in making the Ask Science community a valuable resource for scientific knowledge.

We retain the discretion to modify the rules as we deem necessary.

For answers to historical questions, please check out our sister community: !askhistorians@lemmy.world


go to feed...