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Into The Bit Bucket With Thee

3 months ago by KulunkelBoom to c/programmer_humor

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locuester 38 points 3 months ago

I had a shirt with this on it. It ripped today. Crazy timing.

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MonkderVierte 26 points 3 months ago

We have forgotten:

torsion wire delay-line memory

delay-line memory tube

mercury delay-line memory drum of UNIVAC 1

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Nouvellalia 15 points 3 months ago

The idea of using a cave to store memories for a bit by yelling into it so the idea echoes back later, is a beautiful dwarven fantasy solution that I don't think could have even been imagined today. Nerds just no longer spend their formative years exploring the real world

We are lost in the deeps, crafting a new world, completely enchanted by the demon we awakened in the delving.

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xthexder 13 points 3 months ago

I watched a whole video on someone storing data as in-flight ping packets to the highest latency servers they could find. I don't think we're lacking in creativity at least.

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Nouvellalia 5 points 3 months ago

That's really cool. That was the 90s wasn't it? I think I remember reading something about that in 2600. Cool though it may be, it's just the same delay-line memory, but using the Internet as a medium rather than a drum of mercury. Which echoes what I was saying. I agree with you that creativity is not lacking now. I was just musing on how it's mostly mapped off the map now rather than the territory.

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xthexder 9 points 3 months ago

This was much more recent, in 2022: https://youtu.be/JcJSW7Rprio

Edit: Wow, I completely forgot where this video went. The ping storage is only the first 10 minutes. I won't spoil it, but it goes hard(er)

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VindictiveJudge 2 points 3 months ago

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 6 points 3 months ago

No because what the fuck are those

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MonkderVierte 2 points 3 months ago

History.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 3 months ago

specifically the please no touchey one looks so cool

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MonkderVierte 2 points 3 months ago

That's a warp core, duh.

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eah 2 points 3 months ago

They're all forms of delay-line memory.

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ExLisper 18 points 3 months ago

bit bucket /n./ 1. The universal data sink (originally, the mythical receptacle used to catch bits when they fall off the end of a register during a shift instruction). Discarded, lost, or destroyed data is said to have "gone to the bit bucket". On Unix, often used for /dev/null. Sometimes amplified as "the Great Bit Bucket in the Sky". 2. The place where all lost mail and news messages eventually go. The selection is performed according to Finagle's Law; important mail is much more likely to end up in the bit bucket than junk mail, which has an almost 100% probability of getting delivered. Routing to the bit bucket is automatically performed by mail-transfer agents, news systems, and the lower layers of the network. 3. The ideal location for all unwanted mail responses: "Flames about this article to the bit bucket." Such a request is guaranteed to overflow one's mailbox with flames. 4. Excuse for all mail that has not been sent. "I mailed you those figures last week; they must have landed in the bit bucket."

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KulunkelBoom 2 points 3 months ago

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Axolotl_cpp 10 points 3 months ago

Would be cool to bring back 3.5" floppy as some sort of cartdrige for PCs but instead of the disk they have an SSD or similiar

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PodPerson 6 points 3 months ago

Syquest: “Mortimer, we’re back!”

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DrakeAlbrecht 4 points 3 months ago

A 2230 m.2 drive is only 30mm long. That would easily fit in a 3.5" floppy with room to spare for a USB interface.

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Axolotl_cpp 4 points 3 months ago

Yep, exactly what i was thinking, maybe the only troublesome thing may be the heat generated by the drivers and not being able to put an heatsink

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 3 months ago

How about a Lil fan in the drive

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Axolotl_cpp 2 points 3 months ago

That's even worse

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AstroLightz 10 points 3 months ago

I recognize all but the large, black rectangle (Too big to be floppy?) on the left and the round thing on the right. What are those 2 things?

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BartyDeCanter 25 points 3 months ago

Left to right:

  • 5 1/4” floppy
  • 3.5” floppy
  • Sony Digital Tape Format, though may be D1D or Data8
  • audio cassette ( often used as cheap data storage in home computers)
  • one of any reel to reel formats
  • punch card

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AstroLightz 2 points 3 months ago

I didn't know floppys (floppies?) got that big! I only recognize the 3.5 inch one from old Windows 98 physical installs.

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BartyDeCanter 3 points 3 months ago

My first had a 5 1/4, and I’ve seen the 8 inchers, but never had the pleasure of using one.

That sounded way dirtier than I meant.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 3 months ago

They get bigger. I saw I think it was an 8 inch floppy once

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NaibofTabr 18 points 3 months ago

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 5 points 3 months ago

Your floppies go 8 inch to 5 inch to 3 inch. You got three of them, not two

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NaibofTabr 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that's the picture that Wikipedia has.

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idegenszavak 16 points 3 months ago

Thats an 8" or 5.25" floppy on the left, there were 3 sizes:

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1henno1 12 points 3 months ago

Not exactly sure what kind, but I think they‘re both forms of magnetic tape storage (cassette on the left, tape reel on the right)

(Edit: Got the one on the left wrong)

Side note: Tape storage is actually still pretty popular for long-term data storage!

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idegenszavak 8 points 3 months ago

The left one is a big floppy

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1henno1 4 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah, thanks!

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MrScruff 7 points 3 months ago

That's a 5.25" floppy. Back when they were actually a bit floppy. Before that there was an 8" floppy.

Next to it is the 3.5" floppy that came much later.

5.25" were square, so maybe you're referring to the VHS that comes after the 3.5" floppy?

Edit: I should continue reading before replying.

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Sadbutdru 2 points 3 months ago

3.5" floppy (left). Those badboys actually were floppy. Not sure about the other.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 3 months ago

The 5.25s were floppy. The 3.5 were only floppy when the plastic melted

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Sadbutdru 2 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah I got my inches wrong 🤦‍♂️

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 point 3 months ago

pff look at the silly european doesn't know how to measure using their arm. wait shit foot. my cover's blown!

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Ooops 2 points 3 months ago

No, they were that big and indeed quite floppy, too (only half as thick as those 3.5" disks and from rather soft plastic).

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bobo 8 points 3 months ago

Aren't tapes still used for long term storage?

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kamen 3 points 3 months ago

From what I know yes, but it's also way out of consumer use. Heck, many people don't even back up the only copy of their data.

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Wirlocke 7 points 3 months ago

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BartyDeCanter 6 points 3 months ago

Related question for old data media enjoyers: I have extremely vague memories of a computer I used as a kid that had a punchcard like system where the holes had colored cellophane or something in them, presumably to add a few more bits of data per hole. I think the cards were probably some sort of plastic or maybe laminated paper? Has anyone heard of something like this?

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ExLisper 5 points 3 months ago

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BartyDeCanter 2 points 3 months ago

Nice, but it wasn’t a viewmaster. Similar idea, but it was an actual computer of some sort.

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ExLisper 5 points 3 months ago

What you're describing sounds very weird because punchcards are mechanical media and colored cellophane would be optical. We didn't have any popular optical media until CDs. I think using optical media to store the extremely limited amount of data something like punchcard can store makes no sense.

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Nouvellalia 3 points 3 months ago

It only really made sense as a way to give slides meant for human viewing, computerized data for sorting, filling, or otherwise using simultaneously with the slide. Like, a picture of an engineering diagram, patent, survey site, military target, etc.

Before we could store a picture as raw binary data, this was an interesting way to fill the need to digitally notate images. Punch cards like this were definitely in use for a while. I have a post above with an image.

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Nouvellalia 2 points 3 months ago

I've seen punch cards where the optical media meant to be illuminated and projected for people to see, was accompanied by punched information for a computer to read. They were both on the same punch card. I want to say the USGS, the patent office, the army, and maybe Bell systems used these at some points?

I think this may be what you remember? I've never seen one where the holes carried a few extra bits of color information though. I do not think that existed on an industrial scale. Was it in a niche children's toy?

Edit: found an image of the ones I was referring to

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BartyDeCanter 2 points 3 months ago

I finally figured out what it was, though embarrassingly I found out it wasn’t a punchcard, but a colored card with a barcode on the back.

https://hackaday.com/...

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BlackLaZoR 5 points 3 months ago

You know, CD is just round glorified punch card.

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vathecka 4 points 3 months ago

Qr codes are kinda like punch cards in a way

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KulunkelBoom 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah. Somewhat. Now that you mention it!

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