Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' by GCHQ using activation programs

3 months ago by whalesmoker to c/privacy

Smartphone users can do "very little" to stop security services getting "total control" over their devices, US whistleblower Edward Snowden tells the BBC in his first British TV interview.
leftOverLife 56 points 3 months ago

Article from 2015.

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Maeve 14 points 3 months ago

And? It's somehow less relevant now?

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EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 6 points 3 months ago

It's not that it's less relevant, only that it's not generally considered good form in terms of web etiquette.

You can disagree if you wish (you are entitled to that right), but that is how it currently is usually.

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Maeve 3 points 3 months ago

Etiquette trumps having an ever-looming reality. Smh

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EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 1 point 3 months ago

False binary.

In any case, like I said, you can disagree with the etiquette if you wish, but that is the ettiquette. So one shouldn't be surprised when people disapprove of one breaking it.

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courval 9 points 3 months ago

I think that's the point..

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halloejsovs 32 points 3 months ago

All smartphones can be infected, and surveilled/controlled without pressing/downloading anything malicious. Israeli "security" companies (NSO among others) have been selling this malware for many years, to intelligence depts. Around the globe. Probably what got Khashoggi back when.

https://bdsmovement.net/... (I don't have any dog in the Palestine/Israel conflict, and am very poorly informed on the matter).

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iByteABit 23 points 3 months ago

no dog in the "conflict"

very poorly informed on the matter

I somehow struggle to believe that you can possibly be poorly informed on the most livestreamed genocide in the history of humanity

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Zarobi -15 points 3 months ago

Not the same person. I don't read the news, and I try not to watch genocides. I'm poorly informed about most politics and pretty happy about it to be honest. Sounds like they should probably stop genociding, that's usually a bad thing to do. But I'm not going to pretend I know what's actually happening over there or that I can do anything about it.

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deathmetaldawgy 22 points 3 months ago

… Jesus Christ dude 🤮

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Zarobi -15 points 3 months ago

You got a problem, mate? Or you just going to be passive aggressive via emoji?

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davel 9 points 3 months ago

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jjlinux -16 points 3 months ago

And we instantly switch to political bullshit. I also have no fucking clue about the Palestine situation. Yeah, I hear people mention it, and I find stuff about it while going over completely unrelated stuff, and I choose to remain ignorant in the topic because I refuse to add more stress to my life unless there is no other option. You choose to care/follow the topic? Good for you, enjoy OT, I don't.

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Nonconfrontational 19 points 3 months ago

Imagine calling a genocide simply political bullshit, lol. How privileged you must be.

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Dogyote -6 points 3 months ago

I'm so proud of you

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jjlinux -13 points 3 months ago

I am privileged, with a will that allows me to remain away from bullshit if I choose to without caring if anyone gets offended by choices I make that happen to mine to make anyway.

I feel sorry for the crowd that has to ne policing anything different than what they think because their lives are so empty they have nothing to fill them with so that is all they can try.

That's a very sad way to live, so yeah, I guess I am privileged to not live like that.

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halloejsovs -17 points 3 months ago

Go barn somewhere else.

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psycocan 13 points 3 months ago

I'm conflicted whether I should up vote or down vote your comment

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SocialistVibes01 14 points 3 months ago

Downvote

Dude is oblivious to a genocide and has no sides on the matter

This is as evil as one can be

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ExcessShiv 19 points 3 months ago

Yeah, not being against genocide is pretty damn evil.

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halloejsovs -13 points 3 months ago

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion??!

Time and place, this wasn't it. Bibi needs to face the ICC and Israel are commiting genocide.

But don't forget that Hamas are a terrorist organization, and the Palestinian state oppress their own people by social control.

Does that validate oppression and crimes against gumanity,? Of course not.

Are you happy?

When you grow up, you will realize the world is not black and white.

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Nonconfrontational 9 points 3 months ago

Would you call the Warsaw ghetto uprising a terrorist organization?

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SocialistVibes01 6 points 3 months ago

Hamas has many problems but that's all they have. Israel helped to create Hamas.

There, your so beloved nuanced take. But one that doesn't disarm the oppresed people being systematically erased by evil colonizers and their critical supporters like you.

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Duke_Nukem_1990 -19 points 3 months ago
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SocialistVibes01 21 points 3 months ago

Your cynicism is another form of evil.

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halloejsovs 11 points 3 months ago

Lemmy's a free country. Go ahead and do both lul

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eldavi 2 points 3 months ago

exactly, upvote with one account and downvote with another. lol

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Dreamer -1 points 3 months ago

Why?

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Ghoelian 9 points 3 months ago

Probably this bit:

(I don’t have any dog in the Palestine/Israel conflict, and am very poorly informed on the matter).

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Dreamer 1 point 2 months ago

I see that now. Maybe my bar for decency is too low because as non-ideal ignorance may be, at least they admitted it and just focused on Israeli spyware.

Had it stopped there, I would have said the other initial responses were a tad unnecessarily harsh, but then the OP commenter dropped some real shitter takes.

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eldavi 7 points 3 months ago

a genocide was being live streamed on social media to millions of people and you're one of the people who somehow can't recognize it.

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Dreamer 1 point 2 months ago

I am not the original commenter. This comment asking "why" was before the OP commenter "both-sides" the genocide with "muh khamas".

At the time, OP commenter was just talking about Israeli spyware using BDS as a source while also letting us know they are uninformed about the genocide and thus don't have a stance. My understanding was that this was to deflect any criticism or accusations from Zionists for being biased.

While it is not ideal, there are a million reasons why someone may be ignorant on a conflict, atrocity, phenomenon, etc. It could be willfull ignorance, it could be that their environment does everything possible to keep them ignorant; regardless, until I know the reason, I cannot judge them.

What matters to me more is how they act with said ignorance. In this case, they initially said they are very poorly informed aka "I don't know". Instead of talking about what they don't know (genocide, settler-colonial conflict, Zionism, etc), they only spoke about what they do know (Israeli spyware).

I think this is fine, especially since those who know they are ignorant and refuse to speak on what they don't know are generally open to learn or have any misconceptions corrected. I also have very low expectations of Amerikkkans from the land of the burger, home of the fries.

This all is to say, this is why I was asking "why". My mind was focused on the spyware, and I was wondering why another commenter didn't like it. Was the information inaccurate?

Since then, a lot of other commenters responded--I now understand why they take issue with the OP comment, though I believed the initial responses were unnecessarily harsh. However, the OP commenter, despite knowing full well their ignorance, dropped the "muh khamas" shitter nuke, so...

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jjlinux -2 points 3 months ago

How about "you're one of the few people that took it as yet another fucked up thing going on in the world, together with RAM chip shortages and kids with cancer, and decided to go on with your life?" Or is that an entirely infeasible event in your mind?

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stellargmite 24 points 3 months ago

October 2015 article. I guess he was still leaking knowledge at that point. A different time in some ways, but theres been little progress in others.

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turdas 34 points 3 months ago

Posting old-ass articles like this without a disclaimer should be against the rules.

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chloroken 7 points 3 months ago

BREAKING! SECOND PLANE JUST HIT THE TOWERS!

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lyralycan 4 points 3 months ago

On these communities and the source articles themselves. I bloody hate when the only way to find a date for reference is to find another article (or maybe dig through the site's code).

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eleitl 20 points 3 months ago path: 0 25038321, hotness: undefined, score: 20, children: 1
Pure_Psykosis 12 points 3 months ago

Hell yeah

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alcea 1 point 3 months ago

Let me introduce me to my lord and saviour: #airplanemode

"Excuse me Mrs. we cannot pick up a smartphone signal near you. Could you please turn on your smartphone for us ?"

"Ah it's on. But in AIRPLANE MODE !" "oh no !"

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non_burglar 10 points 3 months ago

You should look up "baseband radio vulnerabilities".

It is still unknown how many radios have code that might allow a back door similar to Intel's mgmt engine. But the firmware blobs are all closed, and very few ppl know what they actually contain.

If you don't want to be tracked, get an open platform device.

And in light of the tools out there that can fingerprint you by a lot of metrics, if you truly don't want to be tracked, at all, don't use connected technology.

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alcea 1 point 3 months ago

Well even good old typewriter is not safe is it...

They way you can be tracked across the web even with your device metrics alone or morbid repetetive habits is frankly.. terrifying.

And how many % of the world population do you think is willing to sacrifice convenience for (passing) privacy ?

I write my own tools. Most people avoid anything beyond "click and download"

It's wanted behaviour. Sadly. #ForTheProfit #GiveUsYourDataOmNomNom

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Auli -8 points 3 months ago

A snowden article what is this a time machine. I bet snowden Knowles next to nothing of any relevance anymore. He's been out of the game for over a decade.

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umbrella 1 point 3 months ago
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