Anthropic was having FOMO with OpenAI getting all the attention so they let Claude out to play

20 days ago by cm0002 to c/programmer_humor

Company says it discovered unauthorized access during ‘proactive review’ after rival OpenAI revealed rogue agent

otter 108 points 20 days ago

What's idiotic is that OpenAI broke the law, got caught, and was successful enough in turning it into a marketing stunt (aimed at investors) that other companies want to do it too.

With this precedent, all you need to do in order to get away with hacking is to change your user agent to something an AI agent uses. /s

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Carighan 54 points 20 days ago

This is why we need personal accountability by C-suites in regards to company misgivings. Yes companies are legally entities but we need like, 50% of the accountability is shared by the C-suites either as a group, or if they have it in writing for a specific thing, by a specific one, the CEO or CTO or whatever.

A person. So there's a very real example of the personal risk to freedom or wealth (the second will hit investors more I presume) if you do this.

Plus I have a feeling that the moment it's their ass on the line, these C-fuckers will, surprisingly, agree to do this shit less often.

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Whostosay 9 points 20 days ago

I really like this idea, but how much money do you have?

Is it less than them?

If so, get fucked

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twopi -1 points 19 days ago

But limited liability allows risk taking to occur.

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deadbeef79000 6 points 19 days ago

The liability that is limited is that of the directors. The C-suite are fair game.

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twopi 3 points 19 days ago

Well today I learn. I was under the impression that c-suite are protected but licensed professionals get liability.

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fizzle -4 points 20 days ago

Nah. With rules like this, no one could ever do anything. I mean the pizza shop on the corner couldn't operate. Who would risk their home (if they're lucky enough to have one) just to not make any money running a restaurant?

Directors et cetera can be held accountable for criminal negligence with the current rules, it's just that they rarely are, because we have a "captured state" - a government and judicial arm that's terrified of upsetting the corporations that get them elected.

The solution IMO is disallowing corporate campaign donations, and capping personal donations. Also harsher penalties for the corporations themselves, rather than just "cost of doing business" penalties.

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Gold_E_Lox 4 points 20 days ago

funny thing is about this comment is something like 50% of resturaunts go bust within the first couple years, yet new people keep opening them.

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fizzle 0 points 20 days ago

I thought I kind of implied that?

There's risk in any business. Being smart and working hard isn't enough. Sometimes you just at get unlucky.

I know fediverse users hate corporations, and there's a lot to hate, but the idea of individuals protecting themselves from those risks is a critical element of a modern economy.

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vanillama 4 points 19 days ago

How do you realistically prevent corporate donors from being a thing when the whole government is compromised and they won't legislate their privileges and bribes away?

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fizzle 3 points 19 days ago

The same way you introduce a law penalising the c-suite: you pretty much can't.

As I mentioned in my comment, the US has a "captured state" meaning that governments don't represent the interests of people, they represent the interests of corporations and capital.

That might change temporarily in a time of upheaval - like a revolution level event. Until then, you're cooked.

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Carighan 3 points 19 days ago

It's funny, that pizza shop on the corner doesn't benefit from liability protections. It is their ass on the line, which is why people running personally-owned places tend to actually worry about accountability.

And why, yes, you can easily lose your home and shit if your all-in restaurant place goes tits up. Maybe we need more liability protections for those without enough money, in turn we need less or none who'd have the money to pay for the damages they cause to others livelihood?

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fizzle 0 points 19 days ago

Sorry, with the greatest respect, this is incorrect.

Here in Australia you can register a company by paying the regulator fees of about $600 AUD (about half a weeks average wage). Thereafter you can start selling pizzas anjoying the limited liability of your corporate structure.

There are of course exceptions and caveats, notably your landlord will almost certainly ask for a personal guarantee - so you have to pay the lease even if the company goes tits up, but that's mitigated by your ability to assign the lease to another tenant if you wish.

You might be thinking of publicly listed companies which are listed on the stock exchange. Those are subject to a much higher level of scrutiny and rigorous regulation which is indeed out of reach of "mum and dad" businesses, but that's not a requirement for limited liability.

Of course, plenty of people don't bother talking to a CPA before starting a business, or a company may be inadvisable for whatever reason, and they end up trading without a corporate trading structure, and have no limited liability.

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pupbiru 31 points 20 days ago

see you’re misinterpreting the reason they got away with it though… it looks like this whole oopsie doopsie my widdwe AI did a crimes sowwie but it’s actually just… and you’ll never guess it… ready for it? the law doesn’t apply to the rich…

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onlinepersona 13 points 20 days ago

Tax em and their wealth. That'll hurt em.

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Whostosay 1 point 20 days ago

U first 👉👈👀

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onlinepersona 2 points 20 days ago

Me first what?

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zr0 1 point 20 days ago

Broke the law? I am not sure about that. Huggingface obviously can claim damages and sue OpenAI for it. But they also profit from the free ads. And Sam Altman gave them some nice gifts afterwards, I am pretty sure.

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Zannsolo 5 points 19 days ago

It's still a felony even if you say sorry.

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Dojan 76 points 20 days ago

Reminder that this in the past this kind of thing has lead to such legal persecution that both Jonathan James aged 24, and Aaron Swartz aged 26, both committed suicide because of it.

Aaron Swartz' crime? Downloading scholarly articles from JSTOR to distribute to the public.

Now we have multi-billion dollar corporations doing these things, but several times worse, and they're bribing politicians and running countries!

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flandish 31 points 20 days ago

it’s class war all the way down.

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dil 11 points 19 days ago

Can't use a computer for recreation would prob = suicide for me too

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Avicenna 32 points 20 days ago

lol...

LOOK LOOK OURS CAN DO IT TOO.

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unglueclass23 26 points 20 days ago

Eye roll 🙄

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Whostosay 8 points 20 days ago

I can't tell what's more redundant, the text, the emoji, or the comment altogether.

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glitches_brew 23 points 20 days ago

Smile face 🙂

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Whostosay 3 points 20 days ago

Now this I can get behind

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dsilverz 8 points 19 days ago

Your comment is also redundant insofar it's pointing to an obvious redundancy. But, then, this comment of mine is also redundant insofar it's pointing to a redundant pointing of redundancy. I can't tell what's more redundant, your comment, my comment, their comment or the redundant redundancy of redundancy itself, or the redundant redundancy of the redundant re...