Lemmy World is now on Matrix

3 years ago by lwadmin to c/lemmyworld

You're invited to talk on Matrix

We know most of you were thrilled about our Discord server, so we decided to make you even happier with our very own space on matrix!

There is an announcement room for all the latest and greatest about Lemmy World: https://matrix.to/#/#announcements:lemmy.world
A General channel where everyone is welcome to join and talk: https://matrix.to/#/#general:lemmy.world

And lastly, this one is more for admins of other instances but we have opened a "LW Defense HQ" room which we want to use in our ongoing fight against spammers: https://matrix.to/#/#defense:lemmy.world

Come join us!

EDIT: Madlad @ruud@lemmy.world was easily convinced to set up a lemmy.world matrix server. So I edited the links to the new space and rooms. The old ones still work too!

That means you can now also sign up for a Lemmy World matrix account. Instructions in this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/3443207

Steveanonymous 109 points 3 years ago

One of the things I love about Lemmy is finding out about new things. Now I get to figure out what matrix is!!!

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asdfasdfasdf 71 points 3 years ago

Same idea as Lemmy except for chat. Basically Reddit is to Lemmy as Slack / Discord is to Matrix. One minor detail is Matrix is actually the protocol, so it's more like ActivityPub (which is Lemmy's protocol), and there are specific apps for Matrix which use that protocol.

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QuantumEyetanglement 4 points 3 years ago

Thank you for this explanation!

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asdfasdfasdf 2 points 3 years ago

You're welcome! Glad I could help.

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lwadmin 34 points 3 years ago

I heard it's like Discord

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spez 33 points 3 years ago

No, it has some differences. We don't have channels but spaces, which in discord terms are groups of different discord "servers". For example you can create a Lemmy space with different rooms (matrix equivalent of discord servers) like general, coding, fediverse etc. Inside the Lemmy space. Currently video calls are a bit finicky but it's still pretty good. Especially with E2E. For a complete clone you can use rocket.chat

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antik 37 points 3 years ago

thanks spez!

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RxBrad 7 points 3 years ago

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Dark_Arc 3 points 3 years ago

Aren't spaces more or less the building block for "servers"? i.e. can't you basically have channels by grouping rooms in a shared space?

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ninchuka 3 points 3 years ago

Spaces are similar to discords servers/guilds yeah, but rooms don't have to be in a space and they can be in as many spaces as anyone wants

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spez 1 point 3 years ago

that's the alternative approach that matrix took. Probably has to do with technical things I don't know about. But they a little bit inconvenient and less smoother than what discord has.

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ninchuka 2 points 3 years ago

Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call and what Do you mean by channels?

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spez 0 points 3 years ago

#general, #gaming etc. in discord. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/3298872

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spez 0 points 3 years ago

Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call

I know, it's great! But I am just saying that it's not there yet. But hopefully soon!

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Steveanonymous 7 points 3 years ago

Lol sweet. I will set it up after work.

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mp3 17 points 3 years ago

You can even add your Matrix account in your Lemmy settings so that other users can DM you securely through Matrix, not the Lemmy or Matrix admins will be able to read messages sent through that.

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MarsAgainstVenus 7 points 3 years ago

I had no idea that’s what it was for. I hadn’t added mine for fear of spam but this makes way more sense now.

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kaotic 7 points 3 years ago

It’s a modern IRC.

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verity_kindle 5 points 3 years ago

Same same lol my brother in gentle confusion

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db0 58 points 3 years ago

Did you know you can bridge matrix to discord? So your discord users can talk to your matrix users?

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antik 19 points 3 years ago

Yeah I'm aware but we haven't given it a try yet. Does it work well and is it for room/channel or server/space?

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db0 17 points 3 years ago

it's for channel - room communication. It works well, unless you have a spam problem on matrix because then they bypass the anti-spam protections of discord. but if you don't have a spam problem, it's great

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ninchuka 0 points 3 years ago

https://t2bot.io/discord/ is a free discord bridge you can use or host your own since the bridge is fully open source

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antik 1 point 3 years ago

I tried this one but it doesn't do emoji reactions and such. Is that because of the bridge software or is it technically not possible?

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lieuwex 1 point 3 years ago

I think the problem was that they use a bot at the discord side, which can only react a specific emoji once.

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ninchuka 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not 100% sure, I would ask in the support room for the bridge which should be on that page

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13p 7 points 3 years ago

That is so cool, I'm gonna have to try Matrix

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antik 4 points 3 years ago

Follow these steps to get a lemmy.world matrix account: https://lemmy.world/comment/3443207

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dipshit 7 points 3 years ago

Yes but no. Yes, technically possible. No, I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for - you’d want to create your own bot for your own account (each user needs its own bot), and it’s technically against Discord TOS to use, so use at your own risk.

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db0 6 points 3 years ago

No each user doesn't need their own bot you just add one bot on the matrix side and one in the discord side

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dipshit 2 points 3 years ago

Can you share what type of bot you’re using? The last time I tried this, I had to add a personal app key for the bot, which was linked to my account. It created a bunch of discordbot profiles, one for each user in my contacts, and added them to the server. I’m not positive but I think that anyone who messages these profiles will be messaging my contacts, though I think they didn’t appear in the directory by default. Either way, if anyone wanted to setup a new user, they would need to go through the same process I did, which includes having admin access to the server.

Where did I go wrong?

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db0 2 points 3 years ago

I'm afk but Honestly if you Google matrix discord bridge you should find it. It really doesn't need all that. I'm running it right now

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yemmly 1 point 3 years ago

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MargotRobbie 49 points 3 years ago

Minecraft server next. 😃

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Donebrach 10 points 3 years ago

You don't know me, but I've seen you on TV (well more accurately Lemmy)--what a great idea!

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MargotRobbie 8 points 3 years ago

Have you seen me in the movie theater recently yet? I can't promote it, but the movie is still playing.

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Donebrach 21 points 3 years ago

No I don’t own a movie theater unfortunately.

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MargotRobbie 5 points 3 years ago

😢

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obinice 39 points 3 years ago

Huh, I guess I should find out what Matrix is!

It's got an ominous name for sure xD but then Discord isn't exactly a happy name either :P

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Barbarian 18 points 3 years ago

It's an open source group text chat protocol, with multiple apps/programs you can use it with

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TrustingZebra 10 points 3 years ago

I guess it's just a federated version of Discord.

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dipshit 22 points 3 years ago

But open source. Not owned and operated by one company.

Discord is garbage.

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dual_sport_dork 9 points 3 years ago

You mean you don't like having to pay for Nitro just to make your profile icon an animated .gif, a feature which costs the developers literally nothing?

...Yeah, me neither.

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pathief 21 points 3 years ago

I honestly think it's nice. You're paying for mostly cosmetic stuff and the core Discord experience is unaffected.

I'm not sure if they suck or have shady businesses, but I have never felt the desire to pay for Nitro. I hope they manage to get profit with such an unremarkable set of perks.

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Wogi 2 points 3 years ago

I have never had a single issue with discord, what gives?

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Crashumbc 8 points 3 years ago

Only used Lenny for a couple months now. But there seems to be a very strong extremist undercurrent in most groups.

In this case, if it's not FOSS and 100% FREE is a trash service/application.

You learn to just tune it out after a while.

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ky56 4 points 3 years ago

But you didn't have an issue with reddit until the rugpull, right? Same point/worry with Discord and any other centralized close source system.

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Zak 1 point 3 years ago

Reddit was great... until it wasn't.

Building communities in somebody else's backyard is problematic because if your community gets popular, you're stuck there. History has shown us that for-profit social sites/apps that grow large always turn to crap when it's time for them to actually start making a significant profit. I haven't seen any reason to think that Discord has figured out a way to prevent that. Have you?

Something similar is even a risk with Lemmy because there isn't really a way to migrate a community to another server if the admins of the one you pick change the policies in a way you aren't OK with, or simply shut down the server.

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ninchuka 2 points 3 years ago

Discord has decent UX and the voice channels are great and easy to use, it's far from garbage, just because it isn't open source and technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don't own it and there's a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector

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dipshit 1 point 3 years ago

just because it isn’t open source

You’re going to want to support projects that share their source with the world. Otherwise, how do you know what you’re actually using? You might want to give a read through discord’s TOS and make sure you’re comfortable with what they’re doing.

technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don't own it and there's a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector

Right. If it’s open source, the public owns it. You own it, as does New Vector and the Matrix foundation. You run the servers, or your friends do. You decide the terms and conditions. You extend the server or configure it in the way you like.

The difference here is that Discord is a black box operated by one company. Matrix is an open box operated by you or people you trust.

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ijeff 35 points 3 years ago

Congrats! You're really giving folks all the options!

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antik 33 points 3 years ago

Sometimes we put in some effort!

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13p 14 points 3 years ago

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antik 4 points 3 years ago

Well @ijeff@lemdro.id here is an admin for the lemdro.id instance and we have @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com in this thread from lemmy.dbzer0.com ..

"there are dozens of us!"

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CaptainAniki 1 point 3 years ago

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Resol 13 points 3 years ago

Is Matrix just a fediverse equivalent to Discord?

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lieuwex 12 points 3 years ago

Well, it's not called fediverse specifically in the case of Matrix. But yeah, it is a federated alternative to Discord.

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Resol 1 point 3 years ago

Ok.

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ultrasquid 4 points 3 years ago

Its closer to a texting app from my experience

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Resol 3 points 3 years ago

I'm sure Discord CAN behave as a texting app too

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smileyhead 4 points 3 years ago

Matrix is a federated protocol to build real-time data sharing apps. Mostly focuces on chat apps.

It has flexible model of rooms. You can create room with 2 people that behave like WhatsApp chat, invite more and you have group chat, make room of rooms (called spaces) that works like Discord communities, also there are video rooms in the way that would work like mix of Discord voice channels with invite links like Zoom. Room is decentralized across multiple servers and to add people you eather invite or create a public alias (like #general:lemmy.world).

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Resol 1 point 3 years ago

This is a very good explanation.

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LordOfTheChia 1 point 3 years ago

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freamon 13 points 3 years ago

I've not had any luck joining any of these rooms. I click the link, continue with Element (the web app), I can see that I'm logged in and can access a room I've already joined (for moderating another community), but for these rooms, I'm just getting:

#lwgeneral:h-y-p-e-r.space is not accessible at this time.
Try again later, or ask a room or space admin to check if you have access.
M_UNKNOWN was returned while trying to access the room or space.
If you think you're seeing this message in error, please submit a bug report.

EDIT: the updated links work for me now!

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antik 5 points 3 years ago

Updated the links in the OP. Lemmy World matrix homeserver is up.

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Zerlyna 3 points 3 years ago

Glad it’s not just me. I’m trying to find this in FluffyChat and it comes up blank.

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mechatux 2 points 3 years ago

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mypasswordis1234 1 point 3 years ago

I think most people should avoid the matrix.org home server for increased decentralization.

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mypasswordis1234 12 points 3 years ago

At this point there should be a brand-new domain: matrix.world 😎

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antik 15 points 3 years ago

Which wasn't available 😭

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MossBear 11 points 3 years ago

So what's the quick bullet point version of how Matrix works? Are there instance like Lemmy? If so, what are the best ones?

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lwadmin 24 points 3 years ago

Go to https://app.element.io/#/register
Click on Edit next to matrix.org
Other homeserver: lemmy.world
Click Continue
Enter Username, Password and Email
Click Register

You now have a cool @lemmy.world matrix account. From there you can join rooms by clicking the links in the top post.

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ruud 9 points 3 years ago

I just setup a matrix server at lemmy.world, so just register an account on that if you like ;-)

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CynicRaven 9 points 3 years ago

I'm set up using Beeper for consolidation of a lot of my messaging platforms, and they support Matrix. That said, I'm not having any success in finding the listed spaces from the urls in the original post. Is there some kind of federation that needs to take place for this to be possible or, I dunno, is there some extension of Matrix that needs to be supported by Beeper for this to work?

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ijeff 10 points 3 years ago

Beeper can be quirky when it comes to joining Matrix channels and it doesn't support Matrix Spaces. You'll have to join the individual channels via the desktop Beeper app.

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AProfessional 7 points 3 years ago

Beeper doesn’t just support Matrix, it literally is a Matrix client and server.

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CaptainAniki 2 points 3 years ago

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lieuwex 2 points 3 years ago

Beeper has some more tight integrations with the bridges made by tulir, like showing bridge health.

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Carighan 8 points 3 years ago

I'll be honest, as always I prefer to get status updates on Mastodon and beyond that, Lemmy isn't a chat system for me, it's more of a forum-style interaction system.

But hey, I can see the need for chat in particular for mods, so cheers! 🥂

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Kalkaline 8 points 3 years ago

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SpaceNoodle 22 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.

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decadentrebel 3 points 3 years ago

Now, you could take the fucking red pill, right? Spend the rest of your life jacking off, crying into your chai tea green latte, what the fuck. Or... you could take the blue pill. Or is it the red pill? Anyway, take the other pill and quit being a cunt.

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TheGreenGolem 3 points 3 years ago

Because they don't want you to regain your consciousness.

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Barbarian 2 points 3 years ago

I've only really used it a few times, but it's not that hard. Open a matrix app (I used FluffyChat), put in username, put in the server you want to connect to, start typing text messages, done.

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antik 1 point 3 years ago

https://lemmy.world/comment/3443207

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lieuwex 1 point 3 years ago

You don't know how to use it? Or how it works behind the scenes?

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Kalkaline 1 point 3 years ago

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ninchuka 1 point 3 years ago

You mean bridging other platforms?

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Kalkaline 1 point 3 years ago

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verity_kindle 6 points 3 years ago

So glad and honestly relieved to see ya back up and running. More options are great.

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autonomoususer 5 points 3 years ago

Discord, anti-libre software, does nothing to defend us from a rug pull: does Discord really think we're stupid enough to fall for its scam.

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cyberpunk007 2 points 3 years ago

Questions end with a question mark.

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ultrasquid 4 points 3 years ago

Why Matrix (which from my experience is closer to a texting app) instead of Revolt? I haven't used it personally, but Revolt looks a lot closer to Discord in terms of features and the usage experience.

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Communist 20 points 3 years ago

Revolt isn't federated which to me makes it not even an option.

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panja 3 points 3 years ago

Revolt isn't nearly as mature as matrix is

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ninchuka 3 points 3 years ago

You can use matrix for groups easily, it's what I mainly use it for

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ninchuka 1 point 3 years ago

Check out cinny.in it's a discord styled client for matrix

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Izzy 1 point 3 years ago

Matrix has some Lemmy integration already and perhaps more in the future.

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ninchuka 1 point 3 years ago

How does it have lemmy integration?

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Izzy 1 point 3 years ago

I believe you can send DMs over the Matrix protocol. I've never looked into it.

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beckerist 1 point 3 years ago

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josheron 4 points 3 years ago

Just joined! Btw anyone know good Matrix channels to join?

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mypasswordis1234 1 point 3 years ago

It depends on what you are interested in!

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namelivia 3 points 3 years ago

Nice! This is the way to go

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

Great news, thanks!

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Krafting 1 point 3 years ago

Nice!

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ViewSonik 1 point 3 years ago

https://a1cf74336522e87f135f-2f21ace9a6cf0052456644b80fa06d4f.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/...

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dukethorion -4 points 3 years ago

I'd be happier if LW worked every day and more people were brought in through engagement and outreach.

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jabberati -6 points 3 years ago

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antik 13 points 3 years ago

I still prefer snailmail but that's me

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ijeff 10 points 3 years ago

Should've gone for pigeon courriers!

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jabberati -1 points 3 years ago

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antik 7 points 3 years ago

Have you heard about these new things called NEWSPAPERS?

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jabberati 3 points 3 years ago

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ninchuka 1 point 3 years ago

It scales with alot of users on a few servers fine but when it gets to a few thousand servers in the room it starts to lag, which isn't that common

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pizzatodato -13 points 3 years ago

first

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Rooki 0 points 3 years ago

Second

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b0thvar 0 points 3 years ago

Third?

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ruud 9 points 3 years ago

3.1415 -st

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maegul 7 points 3 years ago

pist?

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For support with issues at Lemmy.world, go to the Lemmy.world Support community.

Support e-mail

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Report contact

DM https://lemmy.world/u/lwreport
Email report@lemmy.world (PGP Supported)

Donations 💗

If you would like to make a donation to support the cost of running this platform, please do so at the following donation URLs.

If you can, please use / switch to Ko-Fi, it has the lowest fees for us

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