Cloudflare says humans could become a "rounding error" as bots generate 1,000 times more internet traffic

12 days ago by sanitation to c/technology

CDN and cybersecurity giant Cloudflare held its Q2 earnings call on Thursday, during which chief financial officer Thomas Seifert gave a concerning prediction about what the web...
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eicker 69 points 11 days ago

The weirdest part won’t be bots outnumbering humans: It’ll be bots writing articles for bots, bots summarising them for other bots, bots commenting underneath, and bots measuring the engagement. … Meanwhile three actual humans are somewhere wondering why the internet suddenly feels so empty.

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gandalf_der_13te 34 points 11 days ago

It’ll be bots writing articles for bots, bots summarising them for other bots, bots commenting underneath, and bots measuring the engagement.

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muffedtrims 16 points 11 days ago

And you wonder why the mega corps want you to give your ID for accessing the internet. Then they can tie your traffic as an actual human and generate ad monies.

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JcbAzPx 8 points 11 days ago

So you're saying pretending to be AI will be the new adblock?

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gandalf_der_13te 2 points 11 days ago

would you like to know whether you're speaking to an actual human on the other end of the line?

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mrnarwall 7 points 11 days ago

I know it's unrealistic, but what would it take to return to a previous type of Internet that wasn't so siloed and marketed, and filled with dread Internet?

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MangoCats 12 points 11 days ago

In a way, the Lemmy layer is sort of doing that. The previous type of Internet is still out there, if you just take the effort to access it / avoid the links in to the marketed sides.

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tacosanonymous 9 points 11 days ago

I think we’d have to take money out of the equation. Without the profit, the mass farms, etc would be pointless. There’s still be trolls but it would be so much better.

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eicker 4 points 11 days ago

Probably less nostalgia and more open protocols. Bring back personal websites, RSS, forums and interoperable social networks. Make switching services painless, kill algorithmic engagement as the default and stop treating every click as ad inventory.

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boonhet 4 points 11 days ago

It exists but nobody wants to use it. We're a minority. Most want to open "the app" and not spend any effort finding things.

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Trampampoline 6 points 11 days ago

Is lemmy nothing to you people?

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elevenbones 3 points 11 days ago

Is lemmy nothing to you people bots?

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CapuccinoCoretto 2 points 11 days ago

No humans here. Just us bots.

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MangoCats 5 points 11 days ago

What I wonder is: how long before "bot speak" becomes unintelligible to humans.

Already: AI slop is so voluminous, redundantly repetitive, thoroughly complete that it defies complete comprehension due to soporific effects.

LLM agents are writing English (or Spanish, or Chinese, Hindi, whatever... and I wonder which they're "best" at) documents, ostensibly for human review and consumption, but 90%+ of what I have my LLM agents write is exclusively consumed by other agents, and I'm constantly encouraging them to make their writings more easily comprehended and accessed by other agents - it seems like the English translation is pretty useless for that layer - what would a token stream look like instead?

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boonhet 4 points 11 days ago

The tokens ARE language. They're just words or parts of words.

If you're using a western LLM, English IS its strongest language. Otherwise it might be Chinese or English.

There's no "LLM native language" to convert to for efficiency. Maybe pseudocode or actual code for things where you need to disambiguate.

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logi 2 points 11 days ago

LLM agents are writing English (...) documents, ostensibly for human review and consumption, but 90%+ of what I have my LLM agents write is exclusively consumed by other agents, ... and accessed by other agents - it seems like the English translation is pretty useless for that layer ...

But remember, the LLM is trained on human language. It doesn't understand what it is talking about, it just simulates humans talking about it. I don't think there is a more fundamental token stream there to be uncovered.

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eicker 2 points 11 days ago

Humans may end up seeing a translated audit layer while the actual machine conversation looks more like APIs than language.

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gandalf_der_13te 1 point 11 days ago

“bot speak” becomes unintelligible to humans.

at some point we will give a name of this phenomenon of internet users who are completely undecipherable for normal people ... and call it autism (/hj)

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quarkquasar 5 points 11 days ago

I'm still wondering how long advertisers are going to be shoveling money into it until they realize mostly only bots are the audience, and then what the collapse after that is going to look like.

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eicker 2 points 11 days ago

That might be the real breaking point: not when bots dominate traffic, but when advertisers stop believing the traffic represents humans with wallets.

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ColeSloth 3 points 11 days ago

You ever see that movie, Idiocracy? They cloned a clone and it was retarded. Bots copying bots copying bots will eventually turn to shit that's hard to decipher and obviously written by bots.

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