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Alle sehen und fühlen es: Die Flüsse sind leer, der Rasen ist gelb, die Luft dick. Deutschland erlebt die Klimakrise. Und wir bleiben vor lauter Scham einfach tatenlos.

5 days ago by silence7 to c/climate

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eleitl 2 points 4 days ago

What are your suggestions for a planet of 8.3 billion people? Murdering a lot of higher consumers would work.

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Chaf 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, that's surely gonna work. As if the people dying from the heat right now aren't too many already. I'm somewhat sure you're not being serious, and while I see where you're coming from, that would be treating symptoms at best. As long as society doesn't fundamentally change, other "high consumers" would emerge again, and we'd be back where we started

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eleitl 2 points 2 days ago

I am being facetous, of course. Nobody needs to kill people, that will take care of itself. Though it will be the poor and powerless first.

The core problem is human overshoot of the (ephemeral, since transiently elevated by a one-time fossil bounty) planetary ecosystem carrying capability. That is going to take care of itself by reducing our numbers and our consumption levels to what the now reduced carrying capacity can bear. At a guess that would be some 100 million at subsistence level. The process of getting there will suck, though.

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silence7 2 points 3 days ago

Vegans living socially connected lives built around mutual care instead of competitive consumption

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Chaf 1 point 2 days ago

That's also what's so frustrating to me. The world could be so much better, people just seem to not care. Summer really sucks currently, now I don't just have winter depression, but also summer... anxiety? Haven't thought of a good term yet. I've had this post open in a tab the last two days, and I do intend to write something, I just haven't found the time yet, as I'm quite sure the length of the comment will get out of hand. Just know that you're not alone with those thoughts.

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eleitl -3 points 3 days ago

Postfossil the longterm carrying capacity of the planet is less than a billion people. Perhaps just 100 million.

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How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world. About 1C of total warming. Second chart: about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability. Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases. About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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