Difference is that a child/baby can recognize an item simply from ONE "video" (vision) of it. It can also recognize drawn versions and similar versions of the same item. For instance an elephant can be viewed once and for ever be recognized in multiple forms
Having a baby in the age of "AI" is interesting. My baby learn without large training sets. She will never know more, but she will be flexible and adaptable in a way AI can not
3 days ago by ComradePenguin to c/showerthoughts
ComradePenguin 2 points 3 days ago
404 6 points 2 days ago
Also the use of tools. Once a human that's never seen a glass or a mug before, child or not, sees someone drinking out of a glass, it knows EXACTLY how glasses work and how to use them. It's not learning through repetition the way an LLM does, it's learning through understanding.
axh 2 points 3 days ago
Yes, but only after learning about types of objects and types of visualisations on thousands of examples. For example they see people (parents, siblings and others), they see drawings of people in books, they see people as toy figurines, that way they learn concepts like drawing and sculpting, they can recognise that concept and copy it on different ideas (for example they can imagine how crocodile looks like even though they only see it in a book). That actually is similar to AI image generation, where you can add images of a person (only photos) and examples of an art style. And AI will be able to generate images of that person using that art style (with various success).
cynar 32 points 3 days ago
Humans can turn information into knowledge. AI can only extract predigested knowledge. That's why they need such large data sets.
This is also why AGI is still a pipe dream. Most of the subsections already exist, but without a knowledge engine at its core, it's like a person with a massive concussion. It sounds reasonable to simple conversation, but goes off on weird tangents.
I always find it fascinating to watch children learn and grow. The mistakes they make are often completely logical, they just have holes in their knowledge, and lack critical information. It leads to wonderful conclusions, which are also completely wrong.
TranquilTurbulence 2 points 2 days ago
Oh, so that’s why the training part is so ridiculously inefficient. No amount of data is enough, and that sounds like a massive design flaw to me.
cynar 3 points 2 days ago
It is. Unfortunately, no-one has come up with a viable self teaching system. They are trying to brute force it, but have run into a wall. Without a knowledge engine, you can't close the loop. Without closing the loop, self reflection is impossible. Without self reflection, hallucination filtering is almost impossible. Such a system can't understand the difference between a discussion down the pub, and a lawyer's legal brief. It can see the difference, and mimic it's structure, but not understand the why, and account for it.
TranquilTurbulence 2 points a day ago
Sounds like AGI isn’t going to happen any time soon when we have obstacles like that. I actually prefer it that way. Humanity isn’t anywhere near responsible or wise enough to wield that sort of power. Things have a tendency to go horribly wrong, and this one can go wrong in the worst way possible.
ComradePenguin 12 points 3 days ago
A baby can see an elephant and without seeing thousands/millions of them, learn to recognize it every time. Also drawn, different types etc.
lemmygarden 5 points 3 days ago
She can fold clothes, which AI can't do.
daannii 5 points 2 days ago
Actually human children acquire knowledge faster than AI because they learn context and understanding. Comprehensive. Which AI isn't capable of doing.
And even compared to llms. A toddler child can learn verbal language faster.
They hear a word being used one time and can apply that word appropriately a short time later in a new situation. Because they learn context and understanding of the word properties.
Llms need literally millions of stolen literature to form sentences. And it's just copy paste based on probabilities.
That's not how humans work. We need way less exposure to have deep learning and comprehension. Sometimes only requiring a single experience of a word or response to know how to apply it to new scenarios.
ComradePenguin 0 points 2 days ago
Genuine question, why is this crap?
unknown -4 points 2 days ago
Hey chat, the world is going to shit and I'm going to make a new person to experience it. Go me right?
It's just going to be so interesting to see how the person I'm bringing into this shithole copes with all this shit.
There really is so much shit here. I hope my child ignores all the shit. Yes, my child will be special and ignore all this terrible shit everywhere.
So chat, what do we think? I'm going to be such a good parent, right?
ComradePenguin 6 points 2 days ago
I am not asking for praise. What made you believe I did?
When did I insinuate "being a good parent"?
You might disagree with my choice with being a parent, but that is a separate matter. It is still interesting to see a human develop and experience the world, and how humans differ from machines
grainfed 3 points 3 days ago
Baby can be flexible, adaptable, feeling, loving, hoping, dreaming. Enjoy her ComradePenguin, she is a treasure. "AI" may be many things one day. Please don't assume it can't do something (intellectual). One of the big negatives is that a human intelligence runs on a few hundred watts, whole body. An "AI" uses probably several orders of magnitude more, just for the "I" part which is not good for the humans (pollution, etc). If only they could try to improve "AI" efficiency instead of brute-forcing. USA logic though. Brute force.
MedicPigBabySaver -1 points 3 days ago
Having babies now is moronic. They're doomed.
content_educator_94 7 points 3 days ago
You must be a real hit at social gatherings.
TranquilTurbulence -2 points 3 days ago
But why can’t you make an AI that constantly adjusts the weights as new data becomes available? You wouldn’t have to dump 20 MW of power on it during the training period every year. Instead, just keep running it at a lower power and have it generate and learn simultaneously.
bruce965 5 points 3 days ago
Adjusting the weights is how training works.
If you are thinking about adjusting the number of weights, that's also a technique. The issue is that (afaik) it can only be trained through genetic algorithms, which take longer than backpropagation.
(This information might be incomplete/incorrect.)
taygaloocat -3 points 2 days ago
Judging by its parents grasp of the English language I don't think it has much of a fighting chance
ComradePenguin 1 point 2 days ago
Judging by its parents' grasp of the English language, I don't think it has much of a fighting chance.
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showerthoughts
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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.
Here are some examples to inspire your own showerthoughts:
- Both “200” and “160” are 2 minutes in microwave math
- When you’re a kid, you don’t realize you’re also watching your mom and dad grow up.
- More dreams have been destroyed by alarm clocks than anything else
Rules
- All posts must be showerthoughts
- The entire showerthought must be in the title
- No politics
- If your topic is in a grey area, please phrase it to emphasize the fascinating aspects, not the dramatic aspects. You can do this by avoiding overly politicized terms such as "capitalism" and "communism". If you must make comparisons, you can say something is different without saying something is better/worse.
- A good place for politics is c/politicaldiscussion
- Posts must be original/unique
- Adhere to Lemmy's Code of Conduct and the TOS
If you made it this far, showerthoughts is accepting new mods. This community is generally tame so its not a lot of work, but having a few more mods would help reports get addressed a little sooner.
Whats it like to be a mod? Reports just show up as messages in your Lemmy inbox, and if a different mod has already addressed the report, the message goes away and you never worry about it.
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No large training sets? The baby is updating their training data set every second with new sounds, images and other sensory inputs (smell, touch). Current data centers would be overwhelmed with the amount of data that one child processes every day.
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