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the_q 5 points 2 days ago

Ah yes... The spiritualism of the intelligent. It's different than religious beliefs, right?

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Pudutr0n 5 points 2 days ago

Ah yes, the hubris of man. Cause we can totally prove logic works without using logic, right?

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the_q 1 point 2 days ago

Which is more logical: some supernatural, indefinable thing or cold finality?

You can't prove either, but one is foundational to shared delusions that drives commerce, hatred and war while the other is just peace.

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Pudutr0n 2 points 2 days ago

Fair enough. Logic is your deity. Not a bad one, either. :P

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the_q 2 points 2 days ago

Explain how it's a deity. I don't worship it. It doesn't give me purpose. It's not a comfort.

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Pudutr0n 5 points 2 days ago

You pushed the inexplicable, the black box, into a system. Deities/the unknown forces come in all kinds of shapes and formats, not only judeochristian / abrahamic. Maybe it's not a deity, but it's where the magic we can't explain happens. We need axioms for anything, dude. I'm not anti-science, I just think all belief and knowledge is necessarily based in things that cannot be proven... and that's ok.

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crapwittyname 1 point 11 hours ago

We don't need axioms for empiricism. That's the entire point. We ask questions of physical reality and infer limited and verifiable knowledge from the results, without ever stating that anything has been proven.

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Pudutr0n 1 point 11 hours ago

You actually need axioms for everything except direct experience devoid of interpretation.

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crapwittyname 2 points 6 hours ago

That is why empiricism relies on sensory information.
So you don't need axioms for empiricism, just to be clear. Your saying "actually" could make it look like you're disagreeing, when you're actually not.

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