Everything that can happen, does happen. Everything, everywhere, all at once!
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Anything that happens, happens.
Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
It doesn’t necessarily do it in chronological order, though.
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Impossible since “Nothing ever happens”
I made a bagel. And put everything on it.
I just happen to currently be reading On The Plurality Of Worlds by David Lewis.
Somewhere, somewhen, there is a version of me who made all the right decisions and is living a truly great life.
And everyday I give big props to them, while just doing the best I can each day and continue making questionable decisions sometimes.
There are also versions of you who made all the right decisions and are still living garbage lives because no decision in their control actually had an influence on the overall outcome. These versions are far more numerous.
The universe seems to be as far as we know now physically infinite and homogeneous. That means all possible arrangements of matter exits. In any direction you can point there would be an atom for atom copy of the earth and it's entire history including a copy ofe writing this comment as well as all others permutations. There's no need for jumping to new universes at all depending on the nature of consciousness.
The universe seems to be as far as we know now physically infinite and homogeneous. That means all possible arrangements of matter exits.
There's a couple assumptions being made here that allow for this hypothesis to be possible. We do not know if the universe is actually infinite, it's just a possibility based on what we can currently observe (around 93 billion light years). Even if something is incalculably large, it's still miniscule compared to the infinite that this hypothesis requires.
Secondly the universe is only homogeneous at a very large scale. The universe at a local scale is very diverse in its make-up, it's only homogeneous at a scale of hundreds of millions of light years.
If we disregard these assumptions is it possible that there are near copies of our perceived realities in other places in the universe, maybe......but is it likely?
Most definitely. It's assuming our current understanding is accurate, spacetime is flat and the universe is at a large scale homogeneous. As of now those are the main assumptions given what we know and what we can measure. Any stories we make about reality including science are at most our current best bet and nothing more. We can always learn something new that will rewrite anything we know currently. Like imagine we prove last Thursdayism is true.
That depends on whether or not there was an infinite amount of energy in the Big Bang. Lacking that, you can't have infinite matter (i.e. infinite copies and possible configurations) even if you have infinite space to put it in.
When current theories say the universe is infinite they also mean an even distribution of matter in that infinite space.
And for something like the big bang, when theories say that the universe originated from a singularity they actually mean the infinite sized universe had infinite density at one instance, not that it literally came from one single point.
So there is technically infinite energy in the universe, but all that infinite energy is still experiencing entropy at on average the same rate.

This map is covers the entire observable universe, it's as zoomed out as it can go and it looks pretty rough in patches.
Edit: Oh, unless by zoomed out you mean beyond the observable
I sometimes think about this playing video games, especially Tomb Raider. The protagonist never ever failed. From their perspective they must feel invincible. Kind of explains Lara's cocky attitude.
Game idea: narrative focused crpg, with a relatively straightforward plot, but the protagonist remembers every time you reload and his every death, progressively tries to figure out what's happening, all while trying to actually succeed the original plot because that also seems important.
Some options I know of:
Maybe the closest that I know of so far: Rue Valley?
Slay the Princess kind of goes in that direction.
I hear good things about it, but am not particularly one for horror, still considering picking it up at some point though
It is horror, but it's also not horror. StP brings so much more than just horror, it has comedic moments, romantic moments, thoughtful moments, and plenty of WTF moments. And, how it all plays out depends on what you choose.
Steam has a two hour return policy, so I would recommend getting the game, and trying out the opening to see what you think. It's not for everyone, but if you're the type who likes to think deep thoughts about the universe like OP posted, then you'll probably enjoy this game.
Undertale is this but it's not focused on too heavily unless you play multiple routes.
Deltarune I think (I haven't played it myself) has this kind of plot with the protagonist having an antagonist relationship to the player controlling them, but it's more focused on player-made choices instead of save mechanics.
I would also like to nominate In Stars and Time, which is about timeloops and is very meta but not in the fourth wall breaking way.
Not a game, but I remember a choose your own adventure style video series on YouTube where if you choose some early bad ends, the main character will start acting more and more reluctant to follow your choices.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5607616/
Re:Zero kinda has this plot
This is too real, I absolutely ate it once in a hotel shower all alone. I was stunned and had the wind knocked out of me while getting waterboarded by the shower. I don't think I ever felt so helpless and actually started thinking this is how it ends.
I had a good friend slip in the shower, hit his head, and die. He was 27. Life can change abruptly in ways you would never expect. Be careful out there please.
I've been more careful in the shower lately, especially since ours is all stone tile. It's got good traction, but I keep wondering what happens when people fall in showers--whether it's usually a traction thing, or whether it's significantly an orientation thing (due to temperature change, scalp massaging , head angle, etc. affecting blood pressure and equilibrium...).
Every time I saw a roadway accident in bad weather, I thought of it like something that wasn't going to happen to me, until I had my own moment and realized my traction on fresh rainfall wasn't what I thought it was.
Showers seem like the next "oh, that can happen to me" thing.
Have eaten absolute shit in the shower. I was young, in shape, just had a moment of complacency and slipped. Other than some bruising and scaring the shit out of me, I was fine thankfully.
My dad felt horrible and immediately bought sticky grip pads for the tub lol.
It can definitely happen to anyone, anytime. Be careful out there, eh
The Problem with slipping is: it first feels somewhat grippy. But when you start to slip it's suddenly like ice.
Crawling around a claustrophobic attic in a heatwave recently and I had a panicked moment where I decided I had better get out before hyperthermia made it so I physically couldn't.
Pretty sure there is a parallel universe where firefighters are cutting holes in the ceiling to extract my rotting corpse from behind an aging air handler.
Don't have this in the shower.
The stairs, however, have probably done me in dozens of times. I frequently say “how have I not died on these stairs yet??” As I nearly slip once more.
If you constantly are pondering how your stairs have yet to kill you, perhaps it's time to do something different with the stairs? Like I know way easier said than done but even something like changing the railing or what they're covered in might be useful.
Wouldn't want your last moments to be you wondering why you didn't listen to yourself.
Thanks, but theres really nothing to be done about it short of rebuilding both flights entirely, and I’m not even sure that would fix them. The problem is the way they are built; the stairs to the second floor turn a corner, and the triangular stairs in said corner narrow to the point on the inside corner that it drops immediately 3 stairs down if you miss-step, and the miss-step is like a third of the stair. Incredibly dangerous, and I hold the rails for dear life every time.
The back stairs from the addition just aren’t even. They all have different rise because they needed to meet into three already-existing floors - main floor, back door at ground level, and basement floor, and they had to turn 3 corners to do that. I’ve tried to math out a way to make them even and I can’t. I’ll still have substantial differences between sections.
It’s a very old house full of very bad choices that can’t really be fixed without major overhaul. I’ll probably hire someone at some point to see if they can fix it, if I can ever afford that, but I’ll probably bite it on the stairs well before that happens :) I'm planning to paint the quarter rounds with glow pigment to help delineate the stairs in the dark, and add some glowing non-slip tape to the bullnose, but thats about the best I’ve got, and it won’t really help that much.
The thing about quantum immortality is that as you age and you start running out of timelines, the circumstances for you to still be alive get weirder and weirder.
Imagine you are 90 and are about to die in all other timelines and the only way you survive is for aliens to show up with a cure for death.
I've been leaving behind a few more dead timelines than usual lately. deja-vu-like flashes of mistakes I'm concurrently avoiding AND making at once. tripping down stairs that i actually made it safely to the bottom of. catastrophic car accidents that everyone actually ends up driving away from unscathed. I see it flash before my eyes and divert my course... I try to tell myself it's just experiential pattern recognition providing examples of what could go wrong, why to be cautious and take care. But... Yeah, this hits freaky
I’ve also had these.
Not always mistakes.
The one I had at the farmers market when I saw a flash and the entire thing obliterated by a nuke ala T2 was the worst.
So bad my wife noticed my expression change.
Had fun with that in therapy.
Having literally just now finished re-reading If This Book Exists You’re In The Wrong Universe, I’m compelled to ask if you’ve come into contact with any thick black goo that seemingly moved on its own?
Nah, I just have this nasty soy sauce that constantly leads to weird out of body experiences.
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Ok, but hear me out. What if the universe is the insides of a quantum computation doing a Levin search based on reversible computation? Aka every time you truly hesitate before making a decision you’re doing a quick-save?
Edit: oh, and it’d be lazily evaluated in this case
Then who ever is playing this character is fucking dumb for even playing the game. Plz uninstall.
I’m an Orc from Warcraft II who keeps getting clicked on until I become self aware and yell “Stop poking me!”
How do I reload an old save. I think I messed up my build.
Unfortunately the devs didn't have the budget to add multiple save slots. Your old save is long gone.
Sorry, that's not an option but if you install the buddhism dlc then you can respawn with new specs. But don't kill yourself to re-spec because I'm pretty sure you get significant de-buffs for doing so. Your best bet would be to just wander into a pvp zone and hope for the best.
So we're all just save scumming bastards?
If my life is the result of my successful re-loads, that's a really bad sign.
My dumbass was a bitch at cycling and nearly tried eating a headlong collision to make a crowded left turn. I had dreams about what my dead body would look like. This is seriously no joke
Yet in all universes, you taste delicious to me. ❤️
This is me, but for every slight inconvenience that happened to me. I feel as if I am responsible for my personal holocaust 😔
Damn I didn't realise other people thought like this
Bold of you to assume other people exist
As far as I know, there's no evidence of the many-worlds interpretation, which quantum immortality relies on.
Also, quantum immortality doesn't mean you can't die, it means you'll go to hell when you do. Eventually you'll be reduced to a state where you can only think, with no way to interact with, or senses the world at all, making you dead for any observer who is not you. And you'll stay in this state forever.
There's no evidence for the Copenhagen interpretation either, it's just the most conservative.
Did you respond to the wrong comment
I was sort of still thinking of this quantum hell thought experiment, and wanted to write about it. I should probably have started my comment with "I believe the interpretation presented in OP's post to be false because ..."
Fair. I mean, quantum immortality is dumb and wrong anyway so it doesn't really matter either way.
Like layers of collapsing realities as the consciousnesses filter out to ones they're still alive in. Simulation is running out of wholly unique universes so it starts to let close enough do. Now we have to deal with Berenstain/Berenstein and people who have broken logic for this reality.
Don't follow that to its logical conclusion, you are fated to experience the heat death of the universe.
Who decides where the highway ends? There's always an infitesimal chance that a branch continues just beyond.
There's a short story based on this concept that I found awhile back: Divided by Infinity
It's a pretty fun read.
Except one multi-reality cured old age
The Authority was overthrown in another
it's more like "one of me probably just died out there" for me
As JcbAzPx said, you'll continue in all timelines where you're alive. No matter of how injured you are. Eventually, you'll be just a brain kept alive through thermal fluctuation. (Theoretically, entropy can spontaneously go down, the chances of this happening going down exponentially the more entropy we're talking about. Think about shuffling a deck of cards, and getting a completely sorted deck of cards. Certain at 1 card, 25% chance at 2 cards, and basically zero at a full deck, but still theoretically possible.) Eventually, you'll be a disembodied brain suffering for all eternity from phantom pain.
My dude, you are just a cloud of random particles interacting in space whose unpredictable fluctuations have resulted in a structure exactly mimicking a human brain, complete with memories and knowledge of "the universe"
Quantum Hell.
Thanks, I hate it.
Relatable.
I'm amazed that so many people have thought about all this with a term for something I've wondered about, and yet I still think this is the wisest branch of the comments.
Which is more logical: some supernatural, indefinable thing or cold finality?
You can't prove either, but one is foundational to shared delusions that drives commerce, hatred and war while the other is just peace.
I had a few years where every time I was about to fall asleep I had that very immediate feeling of falling that wakes you up but it was 100 times stronger than I'd ever felt before. It went from "oh, I'm nice and comfortable and just drifting off" to "HOLY FUCK I JUST ALMOST FUCKING DIED" in less than a second, it was absolutely horrifying and took a deep mental toll during and for a good while after it stopped. I still think about it in the context of this post, just the idea of "what if all those times were some sort of universe switching?" (To be clear, not in a serious way, it's just a fun philosophical thing).
This seems like the premise to an anime I haven't heard of yet 🤣
Too real ...
I want to know how it accounts for dying of old age
Any time I see the word quantum I am immediately skeptical. In this case a large part of the skepticism comes from the apparent assumption that quantum weirdness relies on or is in any way impacted by concious observation, when it definitely doesn't.
I hope my body melted into nasty goop by the time they find me.
I once bit of a piece of sausage, quickly noticed it was too hot to chew, and decided in my infinite wisdom that the best way to handle this situation was to swallow the unchewed piece. It was too big to go down on its own, but whatever self preservation reflex kicked in also took forever to make it go back up, so I had enough time to decide I didn't want to make a scene at the dinner table, so I had to force it down by swallowing more and more spit to make my esophagus move the right way again. Pretty sure alternative reality me chocked on that.
Almost impossible to make a series of worse decisions in my lifetime.
That's not what quantum means.
Theres a deeply pseudoscientific theory called "quantum immortality" which says that the many worlds interpretation is correct, and every time a probabilistic event possibly leading to your death occurs, your consciousness seamlessly continues in those universes/timelines where it does not end. Hence, you can never experience death, and will always improbably escape it unless there is literally zero probability of survival.
pseudoscientific
I prefer the term 'metaphysical'. Makes me sound less quackish
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