danc4498 34 points a day ago

Democrats gotta quit with their legislation that takes effect years later. Republicans have been taking credit for their achievements for decades.

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GreenBeard 38 points a day ago

That's not how legislation works. Almost all legislation takes years to take effect. You don't move a country on a dime (not without breaking it badly in the process, see everything that Trump does).

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theneverfox 10 points 20 hours ago

Why? It's one thing if it's a bridge, or a new emissions regulation

But so what if you don't give pharma companies a long runway? They'll make less money, they'll miss their numbers, and their stock price will dip

There's a middle ground between the reckless destruction of trump and carefully tweaking things years from now so no one loses money in the short term

We have big problems... Problems that need to be addressed quickly. We require solutions that cause measured damage

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GreenBeard 4 points 13 hours ago

Right, but who is going to handle enforcement and how? What departments are going to need to oversee it? Are you going to have to partner with states? Will your new policy affect minority groups and how are you going to mitigate harm or prevent them from being excluded from the benefits? Do you need to do implementation consultations? Broad policy legislation needs details worked out, they need people to do the real work of turning words on a page into actions. These aren't just busy work, you're affecting the lives of good honest, working people, and it's really easy to dismiss their concerns until you, your family, or your community are the one who is getting sacrificed for the sake of efficiency. It's not always about obstructionism, poor implementation can cost real lives. Do people weaponize the procedures to drag things out? Absolutely. That doesn't mean the process itself isn't vital and fuck Ezra Klein for putting it out into the world that due diligence is somehow keeping us from dealing with real issues. You don't deal with the vandals at the gates, by burning down the city before they can get to it.

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theneverfox 0 points 10 hours ago

Like I said, there's a middle ground between recklessness and waffling over every aspect instead of acting

Right, but who is going to handle enforcement and how? What departments are going to need to oversee it? Are you going to have to partner with states? Will your new policy affect minority groups and how are you going to mitigate harm or prevent them from being excluded from the benefits?

How to handle enforcement is certainly critical detail. A law without enforcement is just a piece of paper

Making sure programs go to people that need them is obviously the point... But does everything need study on how it'll affect minority groups?

The perfect is the enemy of the good. There's something to be said about doing something simple and easily explained rather than attempting to iron out every last detail before even attempting moving

Like Medicare drug prices... Sure, availability for minority groups is a massive concern for all aspects of Medicare. Forcing a reduction in drug prices unilaterally might cause pharma companies to limit production in way of resistance... But what if we then turned around and started pushing legislation to force licensing of drug patents if availability drops?

What I'm saying is we should still do necessary diligence - in this case, enforcement mechanisms are central to making this a real law instead of a virtue signal

But if we get in the habit of exercising power over corporations in general (especially in the mess we call healthcare), two imperfect actions would do more than one carefully balanced attempt at perfection

It's all situational obviously. No amount of rules will fully fix complicated problems, some changes have more necessary diligence than others, but exercising power can do more to influence outcomes than endless consideration of every factor

And I guess that's what I'm really pushing for. We need to do more action and less consulting. Problems will crop up, damage will be done, but they can be better fixed with progressive politicians who continuously take imperfect actions to respond as problems arise

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Denvil 0 points 21 hours ago

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BarneyPiccolo 16 points 17 hours ago

When Mamdani was running, EVERY NY Democrat was savage in their criticism, but when he won, they ALL showed up to his inauguration, to bask in his glory.

This is what politicians do, they're all scum. If my child told me they wanted to be a politician when they grew up, I'd consider myself a failure as a parent.

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ProfThadBach 8 points 21 hours ago

And the people who need to see this be said will not see it and if they do they will hand wave it. The Democrats suck at messaging.

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uriel238 2 points 8 hours ago

The billionaires run a massive far-right propaganda machine. The messaging isn't at see what your Republican officials are doing for you! it's at if you don't vote R, you're effeminate and a traitor. You have to vote R to own the libs, kick out the immigrants and stop the transgender menace.

The people who respond to that kind of messaging don't actually care that they're suffering so long as marginalized people are suffering more than they are.

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KiloGex 6 points 8 hours ago

This is one of the biggest differences between Democrats and Republicans. Democrats will enact laws and policies with no thought of when they will begin or who will be the majority at that point. Republicans specifically enact laws and policies that will hurt the general public at specific times, knowing that they will now than likely not be the majority when they begin.

This means that Republicans are constantly taking credit for things Democrats do, and Democrats are constantly getting blamed for things Republicans do. But Republican voters are too ignorant to know they're being lied up and Democrat politicians are too spineless to call them out on it.

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spaghettiwestern 2 points 5 hours ago

IMO Democrats are often clueless, but not in this case. Without a super majority in the Senate, Democrats are often forced to accept Republican conditions to get legislation to pass and those conditions are designed to allow the GOP to take credit for legislation without actually voting for it.

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