French civil servant drugged us to make us urinate on ourselves, say accusers

12 hours ago by pelespirit to c/nottheonion

More than 200 women accuse Christian Nègre of drugging them to make them urinate - two share their stories.

She felt uncomfortable telling Nègre that she wanted return to the office to use the toilet, so told him she was cold as an excuse to go back to the building. But she says he walked away, guiding them towards the banks of the River Seine, so she told him she needed to find a toilet urgently.

"He looked me right in the eye and said, 'Oh, do you need a wee?'

"I felt like a child. I thought it was really weird the way he looked at me, almost gleeful."

She says he directed her to the door of a storage cupboard under a bridge on the Seine and said: "You can do it here."

Now, Anaïs is one of nearly 250 women who believe Nègre drugged them in alleged incidents between 2009 and 2018, subjecting them to what is known as chemical submission, where drugs are used to gain control over someone.

javasux 84 points 11 hours ago

Anaïs says police told her they found a spreadsheet of the alleged victims on Nègre's computer, entitled Experiments P, which was how they found her.

The document, she says, noted the time the women arrived for their interviews, when the diuretic was administered, how long it took before they urinated, and what underwear they were wearing.

What the actual fuck

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homesweethomeMrL 35 points 11 hours ago

Came to post this same quote. It’s really astounding how many criminals record their crimes and (not in this case but often) publish them.

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pelespirit 45 points 12 hours ago

I'm not downplaying what these women went through, it's just such a weird abuse.

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velma 58 points 12 hours ago

She says Nègre told her that he knew of a public toilet nearby, but when they arrived at the location there was no toilet.

"I was really starting to suffer… pains to the point that I was white, pale, I had tears streaming down," she says.

Marie-Hélène says she had no choice but to urinate in public. She says Nègre offered to shield her with his jacket.

"I was terribly embarrassed," she says. "He didn't take his eyes off me."

Marie-Hélène says that for years she felt ashamed.

Like Anaïs, she was also contacted by police who told her she was among Nègre's alleged victims. "It was a very big shock," she adds.

Like with most rapists, it's all about power and control and humiliation.

People outside of the US love to sneer and look down on us for electing a rapist pedophile. It's the entire fucking world that is run by rapists like these.

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velma 36 points 12 hours ago

It is now 15 years since Anaïs's encounter with Nègre and seven years since she first spoke to police.

Like many of the other accusers, she is frustrated at the length of time it is taking for Nègre's case to come to court.

Meanwhile, the alleged perpetrator has continued to work in human resources, according to Fondation des Femmes, a women's rights group that is supporting about 30 of the women affected.

He still works in HR as well.

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pelespirit 24 points 11 hours ago

Fucking HR? Of all places to keep him. I totally missed that.

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FartMaster69 8 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, individual offenders aren’t the problem it’s the systems of power that let them offend like this that are the problem.

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Mouselemming 17 points 11 hours ago

The systems of power are the societal problem but the individual offenders are guilty as hell and very much also the problem

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FartMaster69 3 points 11 hours ago

Sure, but so long as the power exists new offenders will bubble up.

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velma 13 points 11 hours ago

Yep. And yet there's a persistent belief that feminism has gone too far in favor of women's rights. It hasn't nearly gone far enough.

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Malyca 6 points 9 hours ago

Capitalism is designed to favor the cluster b people. Narcissists, psychopaths and the like. The easiest way to the top is to backstab your way up. It's only natural that they end up concentrated at the top.

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Photonic 0 points 11 hours ago

People outside of the US love to sneer and look down on us for electing a rapist pedophile. It's the entire fucking world that is run by rapists like these.

Not anywhere near as much as in the USA. Nor as high up, like at the very top level of elected politicians.

There may be some fucked up inbred royalty in Europe, and the French have always been kinda rape-y, but even this guy is just a civil servant and not an elected politician. There is no European or Asian Epstein level scandal that I have ever heard of. Have you? Strong accusations require strong evidence. Until that it’s just conspiracy theory.

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velma 10 points 11 hours ago

but even this guy is just a civil servant

He's a civil servant. Enough said.

Also going to completely ignore that Prince Andrew exists and still hasn't seen the inside of a jail cell for rape?

and the French have always been kinda rape-y

Oh yeah, no big deal. The French are always rapists, what the fuck? THIS IS A BIG DEAL ACROSS THE BOARD. Period.

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Photonic 2 points 11 hours ago

He's a civil servant. Enough said.

Have you met a civil servant? Does it look like they run the world? And he also wasn’t elected.

completely ignore that Prince Andrew exists and still hasn't seen the inside of a jail cell for rape?

Uhm… can you at least try to read the comment you reply to? I specifically mentioned fucked up royalty in Europe.

And they still aren’t elected. Nor are they politicians. Nor do they actually run a country.

Also, please calm the fuck down. I’m disagreeing with your conspiracy theory. I’m not attacking you personally.

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Edit to your edit: I never said it wasn’t a big deal because it seems to happen more often in France. You’re just trying to build a straw man here.

Period.

Yeah that’s not how that works. Like I said: strong accusations need strong evidence. This is not evidence at all.

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phoenixz -1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, no.

Police abuse INCIDENTS happen all over the world, yes, but the US police forces are the only ones (in Democratic countries anyways) where abuse isnjist standard operating procedure.

Other countries too may have incidents with rape and abuse and abuse of minors, but again, the US seems to have made all that a past time hobby of sorts. I recall a sub reddit specifically for posts about Republican government employees at all levels being child rapists. There were daily posts.

The world can't really hold a candle to the USA in that matter

Also not in school shootings, come to think of it

Or just shootings in general

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velma 2 points 7 hours ago

I'm not talking about school shootings or police forces.

There are many rapists in positions of power around the world. Rape is about power. And people who seek positions of power often abuse those positions.

We live in a world dictated by patriarchy. This is a symptom.

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captainlezbian 9 points 10 hours ago

I know that there's a fetish for this without necessarily the drugging aspect. Unfortunately wherever there's a kink there's someone who likes forcing people into it

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Hadriscus 20 points 10 hours ago

I read this story in some french paper a few months ago, I was stunned and shocked. Can you imagine putting someone in such a position of vulnerability? Just drugging someone on its own, but then premeditating the whole walk so that there's no toilet nearby, that's some fucked up shit.

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CyanideShotInjection 18 points 11 hours ago

That man has a wild last name. For the non french speaker : it's literally the N-word.

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rezad 15 points 10 hours ago

Negro denotes 'black' in Spanish and Portuguese, derived from the Latin word niger, meaning 'black'

the USA slavers used the derogatory (or pejorative) diminutive (removed) to belittle and dehumanize the black slaves that Spanish and Portuguese slavers sold to them.

the name of this monster is not weird outside of USA.

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carotte 4 points 8 hours ago

no that’s just wrong. that word is extremely offensive in many parts of europe and in canada as well, and i don’t doubt it’s offensive in other places too. it is absolutely offensive in france (and other francophone parts of europe/america) too.

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rezad 2 points 2 hours ago

the word negro is literally word black in those two languages.

are you telling me that those speaking those two languages just no longer use that word?

and as the other guy "i refuse to let American racism to ruin another thing."

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SharkAttak 2 points 9 hours ago

Exactly. I argued with a friend of mine because of this, they've always been called that here, not as an insult, and i refuse to let American racism to ruin another thing.

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velma 1 point 8 hours ago
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captainlezbian 10 points 10 hours ago

What the fucking hell‽

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Solumbran 8 points 4 hours ago

Feels a bit dismissive to put in this community though.

It's just a case of a horrible piece of shit abusing people just because he can, there's nothing oniony about it.

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Malyca 7 points 9 hours ago

It's time the French brake out the guillotine again I think

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Solumbran 3 points 4 hours ago

It's been time for a few decades, if not centuries.

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luthis 7 points 9 hours ago

That's pretty fucked up.

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kibblebits 4 points 11 hours ago

This isn’t a Steven King book.

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frustrated_phagocytosis 4 points 11 hours ago

Can we sew his pee hole closed with a rusty needle and feed him the same diuretic until he explodes?

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captainlezbian 4 points 10 hours ago

And here I was thinking giving him a cell without a toilet

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Aqarius 2 points 43 minutes ago

I gotta admit, that's elegant.

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sns 4 points 11 hours ago

If this was a fictional story, it would be unbelievable.

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