They keep buying the microphones.
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puppy 6 points 3 years ago
And after microphones, they've moved on to buying education. Really recommend that you watch this video.
electrogamerman 1 point 3 years ago
Wait, but what did elon musk say about it? /s
Wait, but what did the kardashians say? /s
Etc etc
DougHolland 42 points 3 years ago
There's no solving climate change until we've solved billionaires.
IDriveWhileTired 1 point 3 years ago
Nah, buying a Tesla, a Porsche Taycan or a Volvo XC90 hybrid will solve the climate crisis. Trust me. Some guy on another thread told me.
electrogamerman 1 point 3 years ago
Ah, yes, lets put the climate crisis on hold
DougHolland 0 points 3 years ago
It's an ugly reality, but there is nothing you or I can do about climate change, except living greener (which has so little effect it rounds off to zero), and demanding government action. The billionaires own every government, and the answer is no — they'd rather destroy everything than lose 3% of their wealth.
There’s no solving climate change until we’ve solved billionaires.
Cryophilia -18 points 3 years ago
I think reining them in is enough. We can habe billionaires in a green economy.
I totally agree that billionaires should not exist, but I think climate change is more important and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
Cryophilia -10 points 3 years ago
Yeah and it's easier to transition to clean energy, mitigating their output, than it is to remove them.
VonCesaw 11 points 3 years ago
You can't reign them in when the reigns are for purchase You can't prevent them from purchasing the reigns because when the price tag is big enough, everything is for sale You can't stop them from purchasing reigns altogether because they'll go to a different market who can, then force the market to be open to them They will do everything in their power to KEEP their power, and to prevent them from EVER LOSING their power There IS ONLY ONE WAY to stop billionaires from having power and it is to stop them from being billionaires in any way available
Cryophilia 5 points 3 years ago
It's "rein them in"
Reins are for horses, reigns are for kings
transigence -18 points 3 years ago
There's no "solving" climate change.
ObviouslyNotBanana 18 points 3 years ago
Even the billionaires, really. Less income inequality, more income security.
Illuminostro 15 points 3 years ago
The French Solution. Worked before.
Potatos_are_not_friends 7 points 3 years ago
Every company that has a small town under it's thumb.
Scotty_Trees 1 point 3 years ago
I have nothing to add (sorry!) but reading "..back to early market economics of Mesopotamian city-states.." had me rolling, thank you.
Viking_Hippie 5 points 3 years ago
First, immigration drives up housing prices because everyone needs it, and it can't be built overnight
Contrary to what they say on Faux News, caravanfuls of immigrants aren't let in overnight either. As for undocumented immigrants, the vast majority are Canadians and Europeans overstaying their visas and refugees who aren't rich enough to complete the legal process, neither of which will suddenly buy a shitload real estate.
Second, it drives down wages by flooding the labor market with a high supply of people desperate to take whatever is offered to them
Classic victim blaming and othering. Native born and naturalised citizens lose orders of magnitude more potential wages to wage theft than to exploited immigrants "flooding" anything. Another fallacious talking point, I'm afraid.
Rent goes up, and wages go down. That's the fault of the 1%, not immigrants looking to make a better life for themselves.
Oh good, you DIDN'T mean to victim blame, you just did it accidentally. Let's see if you can stay away from the right wing talking points for the rest of your comment, then!
The cherry on top is that were conditioned to respond to anyone who acknowledges this as a racist. If you want to avoid the label, you need to support tla policy that will push high rents higher, and depress low wages even farther.
Guess it was too much to hope for..
You don't come off as racist, you just come off as someone who, in spite of meaning well and knowing who's actually to blame, has fallen for some of the lies the billionaires and their pr machines use to make the discrimination more palatable to non-racist people.
The people at the top have a few economic levers they can push around to manipulate society reliably.
Including the dissemination of gaslighting and other insidious lies to fool even their enemies to help their cause, as you've just demonstrated yourself.
Viking_Hippie -2 points 3 years ago
Everything you wrote implies I blamed immigrants, which is entirely a lie.
Wasn't my intention. What I meant to say is that, in spite of not blaming the immigrants themselves, you're blaming things on immigration that simply are not caused by immigration.
they can increase immigration to weaken the working class
That's the crux of it: they can't. Immigration is a net benefit to the economy as a whole, ESPECIALLY the working class.
This has been done
No. They made it up. Immigration doesn't hurt you.
Advocating for labor and tenants is not right-wing. Advocating for higher wages is not right-wing. Blaming capital, rather than migrants is not right-wing.
True, but you're still missing my point: even when not blaming the immigrants themselves, you're helping the right wing when you repeat their bogus talking points. No matter how different your intentions and attitude towards immigrants are.
Right-wing politics tried to shame people who resist anti-labor, anti-tenant, anti-worker policies.
And also made up causal relationships, having so much success doing so that even seemingly good people like yourself repeat their lies.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle 1 point 3 years ago
He only does it overnight with the help of chuck norris
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pete_the_cat 12 points 3 years ago
I was having a talk with my 73 year old dad the other night and he still swears up and down that it's the illegal immigrants crossing the border that are stealing all of our money. I asked him where he got this info from, he said he reads things on the internet. I had my laptop out and said "show me" and then of course he said "I don't know how to search for it!". I then told him that he was full of shit, he said the same things about the points that I was bringing up. I told him the difference between my points and his is that 95% of my points I can find a source for, his is always a form of "do your research!".
He said he never believes online surveys because he's never been asked to participate in one, so he thinks it's always a small perfectly chosen group of people in order to sway the results. I read him Pew Research's surveying methodology and they said that they have all the datasets available. I mentioned that the GOP is almost entirely white people, and he said "How come there were 'Black People for Trump' in the last election?". He wanted to know the results of a particular survey that had to do with politics, but of course wouldn't look them up himself so I registered for an account, downloaded the datasets and showed it to him. From 2018 until now the GOP has been almost entirely white people, from 88%-92%, it even said that a quarter of them were "males over the age of 65 who identified as Protestant".
Scotty_Trees 2 points 3 years ago
I asked my mom if she had seen that one Presidential debate where Trump was asked by Chris Wallace to say denounce white supremacy and the man literally contorted his brain into a pretzel to fudge out "stand by and stand back." It was a 100% crystal clear call to "those type of supporters." When I told my mom this, her rebuttable was "I didn't watch it" so for her if she didn't watch it, then it didn't happen and even if it did happen, she doesn't have to believe it. It floors me that white supremacist are emboldened these days, but the ignorance, complacency, and lack of empathy and critical thinking from the Right will probably doom us all in a long enough time line.
Chetzemoka 16 points 3 years ago
There's actually a stunning amount of simple hoarding of cash. It's a major contributor to economic stagnation:
MyNameIsIgglePiggle 1 point 3 years ago
I've made an argument previously that the real estate market needs to be tanked, with no corporate ownership and a limit of 1 property per person and essentially an abolition of rent through a forced auction pool and no deposit finance. But that is not the point...
A big part of my argument is that we need to move investment from "asset" ownership to corporate ownership - ie make the only viable investments in business and startups, thereby providing jobs and forcing risk on to the wealthy. This gets money moving and pushes up productivity, advancing the human race
Not_Alec_Baldwin 0 points 3 years ago
It's money management. Some percentage of wealth in different risk/growth classes and some kept liquid to profit on tragedy opportunity.
HiddenLayer5 6 points 3 years ago
Super simple analogy I like to use:
You're a kid and you go to a badly run daycare with nine other kids. Your parents pay for your stay and the person running it gets a daily shipment of food from that money, let's say, eleven sandwiches [a convenient but not perfect stand-in for workers generating the resources and value for the bourgeoisie]. He should keep one for himself and give ten to the kids, so everyone gets one sandwich, but instead he keeps six and gives all of you five, so you only get half each which is barely just enough. Now, five more kids join, their parents are also paying the daycare owner, and he now gets sixteen sandwiches per day. But he keeps the difference for himself and still gives you all five. Now you each only get a third of a sandwich, barely even a mouthful and you're hungry all the time. Do you blame the new kids for also being hungry and eating the food, or do you blame the daycare worker for hoarding all the food in the first place?
CaptainHowdy 5 points 3 years ago
Technically they don't hoard the cash, they loan it out to other rich people with the expectation of a return on their investment. Or theyhoarfd property.
UPGRAYEDD 3 points 3 years ago
Its not even the loaning out of the cash that is the problem. The real problem is that they spend the cash on ways to prevent other people from having the opportunity they had. This goes for political routes, such as donations to influence tax breaks, goverment backed monopoly, etc. Its also spent buying competitors or losing money to crush conpetition.
Hapankaali 4 points 3 years ago
Income inequality can just be set through fiscal policy. It doesn't matter how much "cash" the rich want to hoard if they can't do it (as much) because it was already taxed.
Overshoot2648 3 points 3 years ago
We need to shift away from traditional coporate ownership and move towards worker cooperatives, consumer cooperatives, and/or syndicates. Labor ownership invariably leads to the accumulation of wealth as you make money off a larger and larger percentage of workers.
WalrusDragonOnABike 3 points 3 years ago
How does mythril compare to vibranium though?
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seejur 2 points 3 years ago
Which is possible because the worker world is a race to the bottom between natives and immigrants, who in most cases are willing to accept lower salaries and worse conditions to land a job. Both are true.
FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago
Convincing people that transwomen are women and transmen are men is right up there too.
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bigwag 1 point 3 years ago
cop that, straight casssssh
Daisyifyoudo 1 point 3 years ago
Convincing everyone? Or just trying to convince the susceptible morons?
gloriousspearfish -3 points 3 years ago
Do we really want the rich to start hording immigrants?
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ShittyRedditWasBetter -6 points 3 years ago
I never heard any significant party or organization blame immigrants for wealth disparity. What does this refer to?
PugJesus 10 points 3 years ago
In the US, it's a common refrain that exploitation of immigrant workers not only takes jobs from US-born workers, but also allows the rich to increase their wealth in excess of what they could if they were paying American workers.
Rather than coming to the conclusion, then, that exploitation of workers is bad, they come to the conclusion that immigrant workers are bad.
ShittyRedditWasBetter -3 points 3 years ago
Can you point out who is saying this?
PugJesus 6 points 3 years ago
Any time you hear right-wing talking heads complain about 'elites' and 'illegal immigrants' in the same breath, that's usually the case. I don't really have the patience to dig through the Tangerine's speeches or Buck Fuckerson or Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh for a quote for someone I'm not even sure is asking questions in good faith.
ShittyRedditWasBetter -5 points 3 years ago
I don't agree. I've never heard immigration stated as a cause of wealth disparity. I'm not asking for some random scientific study or stat. If it's so common please point out where it's coming from.
NightAuthor 2 points 3 years ago
Sure, which two things do you think it is?
Sotuanduso 1 point 3 years ago
Vibranium and Adamantium.
FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago
Do you think they stay rich by spending it?
FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago
That sounds like a complicated way of saying hoarding.
MxM111 1 point 3 years ago
No. You can hoard resources, and resources would stay without action, without helping anyone. You CAN hoard cash as well. But rich do not do that. Invested money are working in economy.
transigence -28 points 3 years ago
That's because "the rich hoarding cash" isn't causing income and wealth inequality.
Also, income and wealth inequality is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. Income and wealth equality would be far, far worse than what we have now, even as corrupt as it is.
Effecting income and wealth equality necessitates violating people's rights to associate freely, trade freely, and own property. That will lead to complete societal collapse, and rather immediately. Nobody would do hard, dirty, or dangerous jobs anymore. We wouldn't have electricity. We wouldn't have indoor plumbing. We wouldn't have medicine.
blargerer 20 points 3 years ago
You are correct that everyone literally having and making the same amount of income is likely undesirable. But you could do a hell of a lot of motivating of bad jobs, at, say, a 10x max pay differential. But more importantly, remind me, is it the hard, dirty and dangerous jobs that currently make the most money? No. It's not jobs at all, it's ownership.
too_high_for_this 15 points 3 years ago
Absolutely braindead take.
I love seeing Christians defend capitalism.
Leviticus 25:35 'Now in case a countryman of yours becomes poor and his means with regard to you falter, then you are to sustain him'
Matthew 19:24 'Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.'
Proverbs 31:9 'Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.'
2 Corinthians 8:13-14 'For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness.'
Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
Jesus was a brown socialist.
transigence -17 points 3 years ago
Oh look, a bullet list of out-of-context Biblical verses being used by an atheist who doesn't understand what any of them means to dunk on people who he assumes has values that he, himself, does not care about.
too_high_for_this 13 points 3 years ago
Please provide context that proves me wrong, then.
And I didn't assume anything about your values. I literally copied and pasted quotes directly from the Bible. I'm calling out your good old fashioned Christian hypocrisy.
In fact, you've made the only assumptions. Somehow, quoting the Bible and supporting socialism makes me an atheist? And you assume atheists have no values, or at least couldn't possibly share values with Christians.
Do you believe morality comes only from God? If so, where are the radical atheist terrorists? Unholy wars? Secular persecution?
too_high_for_this 7 points 3 years ago
He doesn't know, he has probably never actually read the Bible.
transigence -18 points 3 years ago
Jesus was not a socialist, and literally nobody who accepts Him as their savior has ever given 1/3 of a shit what color He is.
PugJesus 11 points 3 years ago
Jesus was not a socialist
Uh, considering that he was against the accumulation of wealth that is essential to the functioning of a capitalist or protocapitalist society, like the Roman market economy, and clearly also opposed to the control of traditional regional elites, I'm not sure how you can see him as anything other than a socialist? Or more accurately, a primitive communist.
, and literally nobody who accepts Him as their savior has ever given 1/3 of a shit what color He is.
I can give you a long list of Christians, modern and historical, who absolutely give a shit which color he is. Generally they fall pretty heavily on the side of "Of course Jesus was white"
too_high_for_this 6 points 3 years ago
Oh but they didn't actually accept him as their savior.
No true Christian...
transigence -8 points 3 years ago
Jesus wasn't "against the accumulation of wealth," as you put it, nor "against the control of traditional regional elites" for its own sake. If that's what you took from it, you aren't looking, which is expected. Jesus didn't have a prescription for any particular economic model.
Perhaps you can come up with a list of people who care or cared what color Jesus was, but it's an extremely short list compared to the list of people who don't, and so it's disingenuous to pretend like the average Christian cares.
If you go around America saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
If you go around Mexico saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
If you go around China saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
Illuminostro 9 points 3 years ago
According to Megyn Kelly, Jesus was white.
transigence -2 points 3 years ago
Megyn Kelly is a ding-dong. I don't know if you noticed this, but she's a TV "journalist." Nothing any of them say should be taken seriously.
too_high_for_this 8 points 3 years ago
You know, you're right. He was much closer to a Communist.
transigence -9 points 3 years ago
Communism necessitates taking, by force, that which does not belong to you. Jesus was absolutely nothing like a communist.
PugJesus 7 points 3 years ago
The New Testament as a whole espouses a kind of 'primitive communism' that has roots in the society of Ancient Israelite tribes. Very social capital, gift economy kind of behavior. I mean, look at the tale of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts.
Cryophilia 9 points 3 years ago
No one is suggesting absolute equality except the braindead teenagers. We're just advocating for less inequality.
Illuminostro 3 points 3 years ago
That's some Milton Friedman grade bullshit right there. Bravo.
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It would really fucking help if we stop giving billionaires a god damn microphone. All these news sites and even social media shares. Stop it.
Oh, climate change issue?
Let's see what "self-made" billionaire CEO of Oilerson Oils, Oily Oilerson, grandchild of another billionaire, has to say.
"With these unprecedented times, we must bond together and move forward, else we move backwards."
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