A brick has been shat

a month ago by Avid Amoeba to c/pcmasterrace

As an atheist, I ask for prayers that the backup's good.

E: Your solidarity has worked. The backup is good and not too old. Note for myself and you - install your OS on a snapshotting filesystem so that live backups are possible.

Kolanaki 41 points a month ago

This needs to be marked NSFT (Not Safe For Techies).

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slazer2au 26 points a month ago

Note to self, make new backup when I get up in the morning.

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OwOarchist -28 points a month ago

You don't already have automatic backups?

Any drive can fail at any time. Eventually, every drive will fail. If you're not prepared for that, you deserve to lose your data.

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slazer2au 8 points a month ago

No I don't.

The only things I will actually lose are comics I can download again from mangadex or webtoon, my Seerr requests, and my git forge that holds my docker compose files.

All of those things are OK to lose.

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lime 25 points a month ago

why would you even

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avidamoeba 23 points a month ago

Because on the latest ASRock boards it's damn near impossible to remove their metal heatsink bullshit for installing M2 drives. It's easier to strip naked the drive and use their bullshit. Except when it isn't. 🥹

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 12 points a month ago

That’s an expensive oops.

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Valmond 3 points a month ago

So the heatsink is not needed? Or did you plan on putting it back afterwards??

I'm so confused.

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boonhet 7 points a month ago

Mobo probably has its own heatsink, given that they mentioned being unable to remove that and removing the SSD heatsink instead.

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avidamoeba 5 points a month ago

The motherboard has big, built-in heatsinks on its M2 slots. You install a naked NVMe drive in the M2 slots and the motherboard heatsinks (with thermal pads) hug it from both sides.

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HugeNerd -8 points a month ago

So you're a better engineer than whoever designed that metal heat sink "bullshit".?

Why would you do this? It makes no sense. Hope you learned something.

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KairuByte 7 points a month ago

Lmao these kinds of comments always crack me up. You speak with confidence from a position of ignorance with a sprinkling of “the engineers know best”.

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HugeNerd -6 points a month ago

Odd, I do detect someone speaking with confidence from a position of abject cretinitude.

Can you guess who it is?

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boonhet 6 points a month ago

Re-read their comment. They had to remove THIS heatsink because the ASRock mobo made it too difficult to remove the mobo side heatsink, which is meant to go over naked drives

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HugeNerd -8 points a month ago

Then either buy the right motherboard or the right drive. Peeling things off at random and then lashing out at the engineering is some kind of tistic temper tantrum for the emotionally disregulated.

Seek therapy.

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avidamoeba 2 points a month ago

Not the heatsink in the picture. The motherboard's M2 heatsinks:

Especially the bottom one. It leaves no space for installing an NVMe with a stock heatsink. To remove it, it requires access to the rear of the board, which now has this big ass metal backplate covering it. So one has to remove the whole backplate to access the screws holding the bottom M2 heatsinks. Only then they can be removed and a factory-heatsinked SSD installed. I thought that would've been more work, and I didn't want to modify a board I have not tested yet that could need to be RMAd if defective.

The lessons for me are:

Always keep a recent system backup
Don't remove stock NVMe heatsinks I did not install myself - they could be glued
If stuck with such SSDs, mod the motherboard after testing it

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HugeNerd -5 points a month ago

Dear dummy, please select your item carefully BEFORE purchasing it.

Duh. Exhausting dealing with people like you.

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Quexotic 15 points a month ago

You could maybe reflow it in a toaster oven.

Maybe...

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bigbangdangler 6 points a month ago

Yes. This is possible to fix with some skill and some flux.

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Romkslrqusz 9 points a month ago

Maybe

Bit hard to tell due to the resolution of the image, but it looks like some traces may have come up with the IC.

Sometimes, pads can still be left behind on the PCB while no longer being connected to the vias underneath them.

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bigbangdangler 4 points a month ago

Yeah, good point. I'd take a shot at it with the right setup. Nothing to lose.

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0x0 4 points a month ago

Worst case scenario is everything else melting off, definitely worth a try

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Quexotic 2 points a month ago

I've heard that pad repair is possible... But that would be quite challenging.

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bigbangdangler 0 points a month ago

You'd basically have to repair it the same way it's built, provided (as the other commenter said) the traces aren't actually pulled off of the board. If they aren't, then it's a matter of soldering that component back in largely the same way it was done at the factory (without the automated machine of course, but by hand with heat and flux). It definitely wouldn't be easy, but it could be a good learning exercise for the right person.

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sapphironZA 14 points a month ago

A cellphone repair shop can probably save it for not too much expense. They have te right tools.

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Kabutor 7 points a month ago

Thats a good advice, for that to work you just need to remove the solder, reball the memory ic and solder back if there are no broken/ripped pads. If there are any ripped pad then still can be done but you need an expert at microsoldering to rebuild the tracks

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Quatlicopatlix 3 points a month ago

Yea i would guess the pads are ripped i have never seen the solder breaking instead of the pads ripping. If that happend to someone near me i would try to fix it since it isnt imposssible if you have some experience and a microscope but not sure if your average repairshop can do that.

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KairuByte 2 points a month ago

I do see one potentially ripped pad on there (top right). The rest seem like they should be fine.

Hard to tell with the image quality though. I’d definitely give it a shot regardless, spend a few bucks to save potentially many times more. Especially in this economy.

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DacoTaco 2 points a month ago

I dont think thats a ripped pad. Right(middle to botton) side of the chip whatsoever... Those are ripped 100%. You can still see part of the trace too

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oozynozh 1 point a month ago

how exactly can you tell? just curious

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thatkomputerkat 14 points a month ago

I’ve done this. I don’t remember the retailer but they let me RMA it when I told them their website had recommended the particular SSD and external enclosure combo being bought together but they wouldn’t fit together without first removing that part.

I will never attempt to do this again. Fucking stupid.

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Lucidlethargy 12 points a month ago

Ah see... The problem here is that the front fell off.

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mudmaniac 2 points a month ago

Does that happen often?

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mushroommunk 12 points a month ago

What am I looking at? That doesn't...oh ... Oh my lord.... Brb going to double check my backups in solidarity

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Sanctus 12 points a month ago

Did you just pry it apart?

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avidamoeba 11 points a month ago

I did uh.. very carefully.. separate it.. WD used fucking adhesive pads. I thought it was just a bit stuck thin thermal tape.

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SlightlyNormal 8 points a month ago

This is a whole new side of the DRAM vs DRAMless SSD debate.

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fonix232 5 points a month ago

It's a new product category, DeRAMmed

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avidamoeba 4 points a month ago

U know, in my panic before remembering I have a backup, I actually considered trying to power it on like that. Maybe the controller could run DRAMless, I thought. Then I came to my senses that running an SSD with potentially shorted traces in a new board is prolly gonna make a bad situation worse.

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ThrowawayPermanente 6 points a month ago

So the thing on the right is a heat sink and the part that looks like a connector is actually a chip that was ripped off the SSD on the left, correct? That's unfortunate.

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avidamoeba 4 points a month ago

Yup.

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Treczoks 6 points a month ago

Have you tried soldering it back on?

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avidamoeba 6 points a month ago

I wish I had the skill to solder BGA. 😅

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Treczoks 2 points a month ago

If push comes to shove, it can be done in a pizza oven.

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nathan 6 points a month ago

Looks like some pads ripped off with it, not impossible but definitely would be a bitch to fix. Though, in this economy, it may be worth it

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Valmond 3 points a month ago

Soldering it off and on again!

IT crowd noises

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nothingcorporate 5 points a month ago

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houndeyes 5 points a month ago

Did you film it so you at least have footage for a teardown video?

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Sludgeyy 5 points a month ago

Kiwi on a rock

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Gerudo 5 points a month ago

Insert "I will never financially recover from this" pic

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lazynooblet 4 points a month ago

This is your OS disk? How would having a snapshotting OS like btrfs have helped in your situation?

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avidamoeba 1 point a month ago

Root on Btrfs/ZFS would have ensured I have a root backup from an hour ago. Ext4 (without LVM) means I can only make a backup every now and then when I turn off the machine, boot into alt OS and take an offline copy.

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lazynooblet 2 points a month ago

With the disk effectively fubar how would the snapshot from an hour ago of helped?

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avidamoeba 2 points a month ago

Would've been transferred to the big redundant storage. Whe using ZFS in particular, local snapshots are essentially instant, then ZFS transfers only the missing snapshot delta to the other ZFS storage, delta tends to be very small and therefore fast. Put those thigs together and hourly live full system backups become very practical. I already have this setup for my laptop. Restoring a complete system from backup becomes - ZFS sync from the backup to the new drive, restore the EFI partition, boot from it.

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TheStaffmaster 4 points a month ago

that's nothing a heat gun and some flux cant fix.

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UnityDevice 4 points a month ago

That might be fixable with a reball. Hard to say from the picture if the pads are damaged, but they look pretty consistent. So either none are damaged, or they all are.

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Quatlicopatlix 3 points a month ago

Nah the solder is propably not the thing that broke. From experience i would guess the copper pads are ripped off wich can be repaired but is not easy.

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UnityDevice 1 point a month ago

You're right. I see now that some of the dots on the chip are teardrop shaped, so most of the copper pads were lifted off the board.

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jsheradin 1 point a month ago

I definitely see a few ripped pads but repair is still probably doable. I've repaired similar in the past a few times. It takes some patience to say the least. If that's a high capacity drive in today's economy definitely don't throw it out.

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Quatlicopatlix 3 points a month ago

Yea its very doable if you have a microscope, i really like the small repair stuff but i would not be shure if your local phone repair guy is able to fix this. If i were in canada i would take a look at it. Even if it is a 128gb drive i would at least try, either get experience or a working drive nothing to lose.

What did you use for pad replacement in your pictures? I have always used enamel copper wire but i also have seen people use premade pads to gluee on.

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jsheradin 2 points a month ago

They're just some no-name BGA copper foil repair pads. You can get packs of various sizes for pretty cheap. Scrape to expose remaining trace, solder the new pad in place, remove excess tail, clean, cap with UV solder mask, solder down the chip, etc. They're pretty easy to work with after some practice.

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A_Random_Idiot 2 points a month ago

theres a couple torn up pads/traces if you look closely on the chip.

Still probably repairable, but is it worth it if the cost is 50% or more of a new drive, since Op had no significant data loss?

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NutinButNet 4 points a month ago

That’s expensive in today’s economy

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captain_aggravated 4 points a month ago

I'm a little drunk, let that be explanation/excuse here:

When I was very young, like 3 or 4, in the early 90's, I remember seeing commecials for what I now understand are fake fingernails. It was a commercial that showed a woman grabbing her--to a 4 year old--normal woman's long fingernail, and casually prying it back so that it popped off and hinged back with a sticky yellow goo under it. What the commercial was selling was an acrylic nail that attached to your real nail without messy adhesives, what 4 year old me saw was a woman casually tearing her body apart. To this day I chew my nails to the quick so nothing can get under them, and I'm damn near 40.

This gave me the same "why the FUCK did you pull on it like that?" feeling as that commercial.

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captain_aggravated 2 points a month ago

I associate this commercial with another commercial for either IcyHot or Blue Star ointment.

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passenger 2 points a month ago

System can always be reinstalled, just backup your data, that's the important part. Can recommend Duplicati for windows and Pika backup for Linux (borg frontend that makes it easy).

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avidamoeba 2 points a month ago

True but this is a complex setup that's been evolving since 2014 is significantly more pain than normal OS reinstall.

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Fmstrat 2 points a month ago

Glad your backup worked. I don't backup my desktop or laptop anymore. Everything important is in Nextcloud or on the NAS, and I have scripts to rebuild a fresh system when needed. I have found that works better for me.

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