Which browser is the most secure and collects the least data?

16 days ago by ᴋɪᴋɪ to c/degoogle

Reannlegge 36 points 16 days ago

I recently found Librewolf

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prex 19 points 16 days ago

Librewolf is the best answer I can think of, but I just can't resist:

Have you seen the better browsing experience? It's on Zen. It's literally kb Librewolf. It's on Floorp without ads. It's literally on Waterfox. You can probably find it on Ironfox. Dude it's on Ladybird. It's a Servo original. It's on GNOME Web. You can browse on GNOME Web. You can go to GNOME Web and browse it.

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iByteABit 4 points 15 days ago

No way Floorp is a real name and not a joke lmao

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nonius 5 points 15 days ago

I have some hilarious news for you...

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gatitaQwQ -4 points 16 days ago

It's a great start, but remember that no browser is 100% secure. Even LibreWolf can't protect you if your OS is leaking data or if you're not using a VPN/Tor.

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PotatoesFall 4 points 15 days ago

did you just meat proxy us?

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gatitaQwQ -1 points 15 days ago

Not at all! Just sharing some general reminders for the community.

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Reannlegge 1 point 15 days ago

I do not currently use a VPN but I am thinking of getting Proton VPN, I do however use different forks of Debian on most things. All of my IoT things do not have access out of my 10.6.66.0 vLAN (which has its own wifi) and most do not have access to the WAN. I use Home Assistant for most things on my 10.0.69.0 homelab vLAN (does not have wifi it is all wired) to reach into the IoT vLAN to do stuff which has limits to my personal vLAN 10.42.0.0 (Does have its own wifi). My guest vLAN 10.4.20.0 (Does have its own wifi but does not have eth) does not have acess to anything other than the WAN, just for shits and giggles I have a child friendly vLAN 10.6.7.0 (Does have its own wifi but does not have eth) that only has wifi and does not acess to anything other than the WAN during certain times. My personal wireguard vLAN 10.69.42.0, has the same acess as my personal vLAN, and my guest wireguard vLAN has the same acess as my guest vLAN but limits them to 2 hours before OpenWRT kicks them off.

I do not use my ISPs firewall/router just the fiber modem into my OpenWRT firewall. The DNS I use is two piholes with unbound.

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gatitaQwQ 1 point 15 days ago

That's an impressive network architecture. Your VLAN segmentation and the use of OpenWRT with Pi-hole/Unbound effectively mitigate most of the internal risks. In your case, the local security is definitely top-notch

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Tehdastehdas 13 points 16 days ago

Tor Browser for both security and privacy, but you won't like it because it's slow.

Your question combines two separate features in the same way that the nearly useless question "which is the best and the cheapest" does. You could ask for the best quality/price -ratio. You can have great security with no privacy when you use a well-made big tech solution. You can have great privacy with low security when you choose a poorly made, easily hackable open-source solution.

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x3lz 11 points 15 days ago

Librewolf for desktop, heard IronFox is good for mobile

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ScoffingLizard -7 points 15 days ago

My phone security has found 33 trackers in ironfox.

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MangoPenguin 10 points 15 days ago

Those are the trackers from websites you're visiting, not the browser.

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VeganCheesecake 6 points 15 days ago

During runtime? Runtime scanners don't work on browsers cause they flag tracking URLs loaded by websites you are visiting.

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 13 days ago

It seems like you're right. Also, my domain filters would not have caught any of those. I suppose e/OS Advanced Privacy featurea are doing their jobs.

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ScoffingLizard 0 points 15 days ago

1000000980

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dropdrip 6 points 15 days ago

Why are you visiting a bunch of tracking websites?

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VeganCheesecake 3 points 15 days ago

Ok, that still looks like a list of websites you visited and trackers they loaded. What app are you using for this anyway?

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chloroken 10 points 16 days ago

For Gecko, Librewolf is very strict.

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gatitaQwQ 1 point 16 days ago

Strict, yes. Invincible, no. It's the best of the Gecko bunch, but it's still not a silver bullet for privacy.

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chloroken -5 points 16 days ago

Definitely not invincible, I think one would be stuck with chromium forks and manifest v3 if security and privacy are key. There is really no silver bullet :(

Edit: Anyone down voting this doesn't understand browser tech. Chromium is years ahead in security, and various forks take privacy seriously. And since Gecko has security concerns, Chromium is actually more relevant for those issues. I use Gecko shit for everything I can, but if you're going to pretend there is a lack of privacy just for using Chromium, you're admitting ignorance and probably only know about Chrome.

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gatitaQwQ 1 point 15 days ago

Fair point. There's no silver bullet indeed, and different engines offer different trade-offs between privacy and security.

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schwifty_squanch 5 points 16 days ago

Probably Lynx

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18107 0 points 16 days ago path: 0 26035287 26035346, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0
dropdrip 4 points 15 days ago

Usually it's user behaviour that needs to change, not picking the 'special' software. A libre base is all you need and there's a few. The "most" secure browser won't help you retain privacy from Facebook when you use it to chat to friends on... Facebook. These sorts of questions drift into nonsense and pointlessness. X, Y and the rest of the alphabet all could all be of use to you. What do you actually want to do? The most secure browser is offline and doesn't load anything. Now what? How's that going to help you? If you take this community's name to actually mean anything than the correct answers exclude Google's chromium. There. You have another answer: anything that's not Google-chromium. Now what? Using ungoogled-chromium downstream when the upstream is controlled by Google is indefensible if the objective is to regain 'control' from Google by DeGoogling yourself.

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TrollAccount69 3 points 15 days ago

It will be a bummer to see how many downvotes I will get for saying this, but it’s 100% true: chromium is the most secure browser engine followed by webkit.

I don’t know what implementation transmits the least information, but in terms of number of known exploitable vulnerabilities there’s little question.

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ozymandias117 2 points 15 days ago

FWIW, my firewall shows 0 packets when opening Ungoogled Chromium

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sudoer777 2 points 15 days ago

My guess would be Helium and Titanium

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sudoer777 3 points 16 days ago

Vanadium on GrapheneOS and Trivalent on SecureBlue are the most security-focused. Firefox/Chromium/Safari-based browsers on desktop in general are decent for security. Avoid anything through Flatpak, and I believe Firefox-based browsers on Android are still behind as well. For Linux in general, Librewolf and Floorp don't collect telemetry as far as I'm aware and have the most features. If you're trying to be as anonymous as possible there's other options as well.

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gatitaQwQ 2 points 16 days ago

Interesting point about Firefox on Android being behind. Do you think Vanadium is the only viable option there, or is there any other hardened browser for mobile that actually works?"

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sudoer777 1 point 16 days ago

I'm not fully knowledgeable on the state of browser security on Android, but based on some quick searches it seems that any updated Chromium browser on Android would have stronger security since they support isolated process sandboxes. Titanium browser looks like a decent alternative. Ironfox has some of its own strengths, but security isn't one of them.

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BrilliantBadger 1 point 16 days ago
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MonkderVierte 2 points 15 days ago

Dillo.

You can't collect less data than none and you can't be more secure than entirely passive interpreting (no js-support).

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Bitflip 0 points 16 days ago

curl

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schwifty_squanch 4 points 16 days ago

For even more safety, just read directly from the underlying socket.

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RodgeGrabTheCat -2 points 16 days ago
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gatitaQwQ 2 points 16 days ago
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RodgeGrabTheCat 1 point 16 days ago
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sudoer777 1 point 15 days ago

Hiding properties of your physical hardware is a lot of work and comes with tradeoffs, and it's worth asking what exactly you're trying to accomplish. If it's being anonymous, then you want Tor or Mullvad browser. If you just want to confuse websites then LibreWolf has fingerprinting protection enabled (and other Firefox browsers can toggle it on), Brave also has that but not as aggressive, but neither will work as well for fingerprint protection especially if you modify the settings or install extensions or even just resize the window.

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gatitaQwQ 0 points 15 days ago

I'm terrible at modifying my browser and making it more secure. My own Firefox, for example, isn't very secure at all.

I was just looking for a secure browser for personal safety. Now, anonymity would make sense to not me since I barely know much about technology.

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sudoer777 1 point 15 days ago

I was just looking for a secure browser for personal safety.

I can't tell what exactly you're trying to stay safe from. If it's exploits and getting hacked, then Firefox is good basically as long as it's on desktop and not installed through Flatpak. If it's telemetry from the browser itself, then LibreWolf and Floorp are better choices. If it's tracking from websites, then having an ad-blocker and light fingerprint protection has basically no downsides which you can get on any Firefox-based browser (although the Chromium forks are more user-friendly for that specifically) but beyond that requires more effort.

I barely know much about technology.

LibreWolf has somewhat aggressive defaults so it's not the smoothest browsing experience but easy to work with if you know what to expect. Floorp is my go-to recommendation for people who just want a well-functioning web browser that doesn't get in their way, but it doesn't have ad-blocking or anti-fingerprinting enabled by default.

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