Calls for Australia to ban live streaming of US firing squad execution
13 hours ago by Soirhyle to c/australia
These do public executions yes but even they don't broadcast it live.
Only Mexican cartels and ISIS broadcast snuff flims, and now the US is on that list too.
Iraq and Saudi Arabia don't do public executions these days, and none of them besides the US live stream them. Apparently they're the first country to ever do it.
The real problem is the reasons some of these countries condemn people to death, regardless of the barbarism they engage in while carrying it out.
The US's actions are only notable because they are held to a higher standard, rightly so.
I don't think the US empire is held to a higher standard. I say this holding nothing against everyday US citizens. I mean the power structure of the US has been mistrusted for a very long time but because of their financial/military power, most countries have bowed their heads to them. Not necessarily out of respect.
It is the propaganda narrative which every US citizen grows up with that makes them think they have a high standard.
I mean if you want to argue that it should be an even standard across the board I might agree with you, like I would hold Iran in infinitely lower esteem for hanging political dissidents, to say nothing of them doing it publically.
But something rubs me the wrong way about America, the shining city on the hill, even dipping its toes in this kind of barbaric spectacle.
Whether it's because I hold them to a higher standard, or because I view it as a betrayal of what liberal democracy means.
ISIS does it = terrorism.
US Gov does it = justice.
ISIS
US Gov
They're both the same.
The world super power and global hegemon for secular western democracy is the same as a theocratic insurgency terror org? Wow I had no idea.
Since the inception, USA has always been imperialist and since the end of World War II, has been involved in more global conflicts than any other countries. USA merely operates on "lesser evil" framework. And up until recently, USA has been secular, but democratic? Hardly to begin with. Just ask black Americans, Native Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Iraqis and Latin Americans. The US ignored the UN resolutions many times, especially on not invading Iraq under false pretense of hiding weapons of mass destruction. So, USA has always been a terrorist state but in different name and face. I would go so far as to say that Trump took off the facade of the country as the shining beacon on the hill. After all, American people had been demanding for authenticity.
Blah, blah, blah, America bad, America bad. I thought the attack on the Russian data centres put you guys out of commision?
I'd rather a lessor evil framework than... Oh wait your not suggesting anything because you're an empty vessel for campist brain rot.
Nobody cares about "imperialism", they care about living standards, representation, and economic prosperity. America has strived to realise these ideals and helped other nations reach them to through its international humanitarian efforts and security guarentees.
Any failure to meet their own standards pales in comparison to actual terrorists who don't have those standards to begin with, so your use of that word really exposes your ignorance.
Btw the UN means nothing, it's a glorified group chat for tinpot dictators and despots. A majority of the member states fall below 6 on the democratic index, i.e. they are corrupt authoritarian shit-holes.
That's not the reason ISIS are labelled as terrorists.
Exactly, to spread terror. You've correctly identified that motive is a part of the definition. Congrats.
The US is chiefly concerned with fighting militants for material strategic goals, and has laws against targetting civilians.
ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.
ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.
Hmm, who does that remind me of? Israel? Yes, that shining beacon of democracy that gets almost unlimited weapons of mass destruction from the US to kill a majority of unarmed civilians.
And btw, the US may have "laws against targetting civilians" but it doesn't mean these laws are followed. There are ample records of this.
This is where I find the Greens not effective.
Banning it from being livestreamed is impossible and will do nothing.
The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.
And further why it's so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.
This is where I find the Greens not effective.
Very strange criticism for a minor party that is not in government.
The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.
Is this supposed to be your very sensible, realistic alternative? Have you been paying attention during the last decade of Australian/US relations?
And further why it’s so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.
This is the position of The Greens, and has been for years.
What I mean is effective in their political messaging.
I don't disagree with them on this, otherwise. It's fucked. And should be prohibited on all Australian media, online or otherwise.
But part of the conversation now, annoyingly, is whether it's even feasible to ban all streaming.
I will admit that my criticism was probably a bit overblown, and influenced emotionally by my general dislike of the Greens' ideas about affecting societal change. (i.e. they're not anti-capitalist, aren't democratic in their party structure, and believe we can reform our way to something better through parliament)
I'll take them over Labor any day though, their heart is in the right place as a party.
I kind of agree in the sense that (in my view) preventing Australians from watching the US execution is a kind of a fridge issue - possibly a distraction from more important issues, possible a unnecessarily divisive position for The Greens to take. (Probably most people agree that broadcasting the execution is bad; but many people are sensitive about censorship.)
So in that sense perhaps it is a politically unsavvy thing for The Greens to take a position on. But on the other hand, saying & doing stuff like this is what gets them into the media. When The Greens are only talking about pencil-pushing bean-counting by-the-numbers sensible policies on core issues - they are simply ignored. A few people nod and say 'fair call', and no one says anything. No one spreads the word. And so very very few people hear anything about it. So when The Green stick to their core message, they just don't heard. So these little provocative foraying to side-issue end up being pretty much the only news many people hear about The Greens at all.
Uncivilized barbarians.
Everyone should know the terror of the usa.
This is what they've always been, whether it's a charismatic or bumbling killer on their throne.
The world should unite against their barbarism.
How myopic. I didn't realise America's sole focus since it's inception has been terror and barbarism. I guess PEPFAR, USAID, the civil rights act, the Marshall Plan, fighting smallpox and polio, and international disaster relief were just cosmic whoopsies that materialised from the ether.
Eh? Why would we have it ‘live streamed’ anyway?
Besides that; All of our FTA tv channels will blur anything remotely confronting as a matter of course.
You tube is where you’ll get your jollies. And the Australian government can’t/won’t censor that…
able to remove access
No they weren’t, they just said they could. Any kid who wants to access it, especially the worst bits, still can
This is hopefully a 1 time 'event', blocking access to this would have an immediate effect, the issue would be that once this is online, there will be multiple ways in future to view it, and sick f*cks who wish to do so.
A decent government would still oppose this, and would attempt to block access to it.
Definitely, no argument here and the government should be clear on it.
This is a fucking disgrace. I’m not surprised though.
Hmmm... You know what, I don't actually know the technical means by which a government blocks something.
Do they have to contact the Internet Asigned Numbers Authority or something? Or is it done via contacting the major ISPs? Or some Australian exit point?
They were able to geoblock the 2024 attempted stabbing of the orthodox protest, but I don't think they were able to get it taken down. Pretty sure that the Christchurch massacre was taken down though
Both were after the fact though. Which I am sure they will have the court orders ready to go. But the livestream is another story.
Either way. It will be interesting to see what happens.
So it can be monetised and sponsored.
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A website is not a broadcast. So, it can (and would) disallow the content from being broadcast on TV. But not from a webpage.
While we are at discussing the idea, it kinda won't work. You can block all of the Internet or none of the Internet. You can't block some of the Internet. If you 'block' a site from Australia, people can and will simply VPN to another country and access it there.
But then it isn't Australia's problem, as they are technically accesising internet from another country.
Oh, I'm well aware of the technical impossibility. I meant legally no one in Australia would be allowed to publish it, so a ban is moot. If it's likely to be RC for a regular broadcaster, it can't be published online, either.
Play it live on every channel, every screen in the country. Put it on repeat. Show it on street corners and in pubs. Show it in primary schools and high schools. Everyone should see what we're endorsing by being a US client state. Let those who want to revel in their inhumanity go over every sick detail with glee.
Yep. Show the homeless. Show the millions in penal servitude. Show the working poor. Show the communities racked by drugs and violence. Show the school massacres. Show the executions. Show the lynchings. Show the Epstein files. Even most Americans don't know the truth of their country.
It's funny to me you're listing things we're already aware of thanks to the US being a transparent western democracy. Things that are the subject of heated discussion within the country as well.
It's obviously a democracy, so idk why you would deny that. Idk what a "warmongering duopoly" is.
So we shouldn't be a US client state? What should we be?
America is evil, got it 👍
What should we do about it?
Hopefully Canada will not broadcast it.
There are already 82837463829 execution videos available online. If it's even going to be broadcast, and with no protection or authentication (doubt), just don't watch it. And don't give us that bullshit "protect the kids" answer. How effective was the social media ban? 7% of kids actually blocked going by the last report?
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Just for reference, here's an alphabetical list of countries which broadcast executions:
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