Calls for Australia to ban live streaming of US firing squad execution

13 hours ago by Soirhyle to c/australia

US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has said he will make sure the public can watch the December 3 execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan.
budget_biochemist 72 points 13 hours ago

Just for reference, here's an alphabetical list of countries which broadcast executions:

  • Afghanistan
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • North Korea
  • Saudi Arabia
  • United States
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answersplease77 21 points 8 hours ago

These do public executions yes but even they don't broadcast it live.
Only Mexican cartels and ISIS broadcast snuff flims, and now the US is on that list too.

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tankiesmasher 6 points 7 hours ago

Iraq and Saudi Arabia don't do public executions these days, and none of them besides the US live stream them. Apparently they're the first country to ever do it.

The real problem is the reasons some of these countries condemn people to death, regardless of the barbarism they engage in while carrying it out.

The US's actions are only notable because they are held to a higher standard, rightly so.

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arbilp3 1 point an hour ago

I don't think the US empire is held to a higher standard. I say this holding nothing against everyday US citizens. I mean the power structure of the US has been mistrusted for a very long time but because of their financial/military power, most countries have bowed their heads to them. Not necessarily out of respect.

It is the propaganda narrative which every US citizen grows up with that makes them think they have a high standard.

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tankiesmasher 1 point 10 minutes ago

I mean if you want to argue that it should be an even standard across the board I might agree with you, like I would hold Iran in infinitely lower esteem for hanging political dissidents, to say nothing of them doing it publically.

But something rubs me the wrong way about America, the shining city on the hill, even dipping its toes in this kind of barbaric spectacle.

Whether it's because I hold them to a higher standard, or because I view it as a betrayal of what liberal democracy means.

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Pratai 21 points 13 hours ago

Everyone needs to ban this barbarism.

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a_postmodern_hat 20 points 8 hours ago

ISIS does it = terrorism.

US Gov does it = justice.

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TankovayaDiviziya 6 points 7 hours ago

ISIS

US Gov

They're both the same.

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tankiesmasher -6 points 7 hours ago

The world super power and global hegemon for secular western democracy is the same as a theocratic insurgency terror org? Wow I had no idea.

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TankovayaDiviziya 8 points 6 hours ago

Since the inception, USA has always been imperialist and since the end of World War II, has been involved in more global conflicts than any other countries. USA merely operates on "lesser evil" framework. And up until recently, USA has been secular, but democratic? Hardly to begin with. Just ask black Americans, Native Americans, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Iraqis and Latin Americans. The US ignored the UN resolutions many times, especially on not invading Iraq under false pretense of hiding weapons of mass destruction. So, USA has always been a terrorist state but in different name and face. I would go so far as to say that Trump took off the facade of the country as the shining beacon on the hill. After all, American people had been demanding for authenticity.

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tankiesmasher -3 points 5 hours ago

Blah, blah, blah, America bad, America bad. I thought the attack on the Russian data centres put you guys out of commision?

I'd rather a lessor evil framework than... Oh wait your not suggesting anything because you're an empty vessel for campist brain rot.

Nobody cares about "imperialism", they care about living standards, representation, and economic prosperity. America has strived to realise these ideals and helped other nations reach them to through its international humanitarian efforts and security guarentees.

Any failure to meet their own standards pales in comparison to actual terrorists who don't have those standards to begin with, so your use of that word really exposes your ignorance.

Btw the UN means nothing, it's a glorified group chat for tinpot dictators and despots. A majority of the member states fall below 6 on the democratic index, i.e. they are corrupt authoritarian shit-holes.

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tankiesmasher -3 points 8 hours ago

That's not the reason ISIS are labelled as terrorists.

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x00z 8 points 6 hours ago

Terrorists kill innocent people to spread terror. The US would never kill innocents except for all the innocents they kill.

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tankiesmasher -7 points 5 hours ago

Exactly, to spread terror. You've correctly identified that motive is a part of the definition. Congrats.

The US is chiefly concerned with fighting militants for material strategic goals, and has laws against targetting civilians.

ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.

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arbilp3 1 point an hour ago

ISIS is chiefly concerned with butchering anyone, regardless of civilian status, to gain, and maintain through fear, power in a region.

Hmm, who does that remind me of? Israel? Yes, that shining beacon of democracy that gets almost unlimited weapons of mass destruction from the US to kill a majority of unarmed civilians.

And btw, the US may have "laws against targetting civilians" but it doesn't mean these laws are followed. There are ample records of this.

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shirro 12 points 9 hours ago

Backward shithole.

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MisterFrog 10 points 6 hours ago

This is where I find the Greens not effective.

Banning it from being livestreamed is impossible and will do nothing.

The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.

And further why it's so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.

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Ilandar 5 points 5 hours ago

This is where I find the Greens not effective.

Very strange criticism for a minor party that is not in government.

The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.

Is this supposed to be your very sensible, realistic alternative? Have you been paying attention during the last decade of Australian/US relations?

And further why it’s so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.

This is the position of The Greens, and has been for years.

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MisterFrog 3 points 4 hours ago

What I mean is effective in their political messaging.

I don't disagree with them on this, otherwise. It's fucked. And should be prohibited on all Australian media, online or otherwise.

But part of the conversation now, annoyingly, is whether it's even feasible to ban all streaming.

I will admit that my criticism was probably a bit overblown, and influenced emotionally by my general dislike of the Greens' ideas about affecting societal change. (i.e. they're not anti-capitalist, aren't democratic in their party structure, and believe we can reform our way to something better through parliament)

I'll take them over Labor any day though, their heart is in the right place as a party.

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blind3rdeye 1 point 39 minutes ago

I kind of agree in the sense that (in my view) preventing Australians from watching the US execution is a kind of a fridge issue - possibly a distraction from more important issues, possible a unnecessarily divisive position for The Greens to take. (Probably most people agree that broadcasting the execution is bad; but many people are sensitive about censorship.)

So in that sense perhaps it is a politically unsavvy thing for The Greens to take a position on. But on the other hand, saying & doing stuff like this is what gets them into the media. When The Greens are only talking about pencil-pushing bean-counting by-the-numbers sensible policies on core issues - they are simply ignored. A few people nod and say 'fair call', and no one says anything. No one spreads the word. And so very very few people hear anything about it. So when The Green stick to their core message, they just don't heard. So these little provocative foraying to side-issue end up being pretty much the only news many people hear about The Greens at all.

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FreeBooteR69 10 points 10 hours ago

Uncivilized barbarians.

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naevaTheRat 7 points 9 hours ago

Everyone should know the terror of the usa.

This is what they've always been, whether it's a charismatic or bumbling killer on their throne.

The world should unite against their barbarism.

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tankiesmasher 1 point 6 hours ago

How myopic. I didn't realise America's sole focus since it's inception has been terror and barbarism. I guess PEPFAR, USAID, the civil rights act, the Marshall Plan, fighting smallpox and polio, and international disaster relief were just cosmic whoopsies that materialised from the ether.

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Stigger32 7 points 13 hours ago

Eh? Why would we have it ‘live streamed’ anyway?

Besides that; All of our FTA tv channels will blur anything remotely confronting as a matter of course.

You tube is where you’ll get your jollies. And the Australian government can’t/won’t censor that…

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dusk 8 points 13 hours ago

The Australian government was able to remove access to social media for under 16's to 'protect them', so why aren't they able to remove access to live streamed murder?

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stylusmobilus 7 points 12 hours ago

able to remove access

No they weren’t, they just said they could. Any kid who wants to access it, especially the worst bits, still can

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dusk 3 points 12 hours ago

This is hopefully a 1 time 'event', blocking access to this would have an immediate effect, the issue would be that once this is online, there will be multiple ways in future to view it, and sick f*cks who wish to do so.

A decent government would still oppose this, and would attempt to block access to it.

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stylusmobilus 2 points 12 hours ago

Definitely, no argument here and the government should be clear on it.

This is a fucking disgrace. I’m not surprised though.

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Stigger32 3 points 12 hours ago

Serious question? Or trolling?

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dusk 0 points 12 hours ago

Serious question? Or trolling?

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DarkCloud 1 point 12 hours ago

Block is not the same as remove.

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dusk 3 points 12 hours ago

Remove access is not the same as remove content

Being a pedant is not the same as making a valid point.

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DarkCloud 2 points 11 hours ago

Hmmm... You know what, I don't actually know the technical means by which a government blocks something.

Do they have to contact the Internet Asigned Numbers Authority or something? Or is it done via contacting the major ISPs? Or some Australian exit point?

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Geobloke 2 points 12 hours ago

They were able to geoblock the 2024 attempted stabbing of the orthodox protest, but I don't think they were able to get it taken down. Pretty sure that the Christchurch massacre was taken down though

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Stigger32 3 points 12 hours ago

Both were after the fact though. Which I am sure they will have the court orders ready to go. But the livestream is another story.

Either way. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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mortemtyrannis 2 points 7 hours ago

So it can be monetised and sponsored.

This execution is brought to you Winchester Ammunition. When accuracy matters, trust Winchester.

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lawks 7 points 5 hours ago

Wouldn't this type of content already be "refused classification" thus disallowed to be broadcast?

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Nath 3 points 5 hours ago

A website is not a broadcast. So, it can (and would) disallow the content from being broadcast on TV. But not from a webpage.

While we are at discussing the idea, it kinda won't work. You can block all of the Internet or none of the Internet. You can't block some of the Internet. If you 'block' a site from Australia, people can and will simply VPN to another country and access it there.

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Goodlucksil 3 points 4 hours ago

But then it isn't Australia's problem, as they are technically accesising internet from another country.

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lawks 3 points 4 hours ago

Oh, I'm well aware of the technical impossibility. I meant legally no one in Australia would be allowed to publish it, so a ban is moot. If it's likely to be RC for a regular broadcaster, it can't be published online, either.

https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/...

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CurlyWurlies4All 4 points 10 hours ago

Play it live on every channel, every screen in the country. Put it on repeat. Show it on street corners and in pubs. Show it in primary schools and high schools. Everyone should see what we're endorsing by being a US client state. Let those who want to revel in their inhumanity go over every sick detail with glee.

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shirro 7 points 9 hours ago

Yep. Show the homeless. Show the millions in penal servitude. Show the working poor. Show the communities racked by drugs and violence. Show the school massacres. Show the executions. Show the lynchings. Show the Epstein files. Even most Americans don't know the truth of their country.

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Cherry 1 point 4 hours ago

They know. They have always known. We spent years thinking they just accept it, recent years show they don't just accept it, they perpetuate and some instances cheer it on.

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tankiesmasher -3 points 7 hours ago

It's funny to me you're listing things we're already aware of thanks to the US being a transparent western democracy. Things that are the subject of heated discussion within the country as well.

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dusk 3 points 7 hours ago

the usa is a warmongering duopoly, not a democracy.

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tankiesmasher -3 points 7 hours ago

It's obviously a democracy, so idk why you would deny that. Idk what a "warmongering duopoly" is.

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tankiesmasher -5 points 7 hours ago

So we shouldn't be a US client state? What should we be?

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dusk 5 points 7 hours ago

not siding with evil would be cool

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tankiesmasher -4 points 7 hours ago

America is evil, got it 👍

What should we do about it?

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Bebopalouie 3 points 9 hours ago

Hopefully Canada will not broadcast it.

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psud 2 points 4 hours ago

It'll be on the web. Whatever the law Australians and Canadians who want to watch the killing will be able to

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Cherry 2 points 4 hours ago

If they can stop under 16s accessing social media then they can do this....Oh wait...

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arbilp3 2 points 43 minutes ago

I truly hope it's not us but Americans who say NO and demand it not be filmed for public consumption at all.

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ryannathans 1 point 10 hours ago

There are already 82837463829 execution videos available online. If it's even going to be broadcast, and with no protection or authentication (doubt), just don't watch it. And don't give us that bullshit "protect the kids" answer. How effective was the social media ban? 7% of kids actually blocked going by the last report?

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