The belief that the country is on a downward slope fuels the appeal of radicalism.
Buffalox 2 points 4 hours ago
The belief that the country is on a downward slope fuels the appeal of radicalism.
Because radicalism is good for the economy?
I don't think so, they should rather kick out Marine Le Pen and Front National.
That could do a great deal to create better stability and progress. Even if extremists manage to improve the economy in the beginning, they always end up ruining it, just look at Hitler and Putin, and then there are the ones like Trump that ruin it right from the beginning.
killingspark 3 points 3 hours ago
This is only a valid argument if you still believe that anyone is able to improve the economic situation.
Without that believe everything becomes a fight for pieces of a decreasing pie.
Which explains increasing formation of tighter in- and outgroups and the increased support for the political ideology supporting this kind of thinking.
Buffalox 1 point 2 hours ago
This is only a valid argument if you still believe that anyone is able to improve the economic situation.
No it isn't, because the radicals will destroy the economy way worse, and that is what will make it a fight for scraps.
killingspark 1 point an hour ago
That argument only makes sense if you think the political centre would protect you from the fight for scraps that is already happening.
There is growing evidence that the political centre will throw even more parts of the population into poverty so that the rich can keep getting richer.
I am not saying the radical parties are necessarily the fix to that, certainly not the radical liberatarian and especially not the radical right.
I'm just saying the radical political centre is also not doing so great at making the economy work for everyone.
gian 0 points 3 hours ago
I don’t think so, they should rather kick out Marine Le Pen and Front National.
This only means that you are hiding the problems under the rug, it is like outlawing AfD: you maybe remove an immediate problem but you don't remove the people who think that Le Pen or Front National have the solutions, and more importantly, you don't solve the (supposed) problems that causes their rise.
And these people will come back to bite you sooner or later, and it will be far worse than whatever could happen trying to solve the problem now.
rumschlumpel 2 points 3 hours ago
That's like complaining that putting murderers in prison doesn't stop people's murderous thoughts.
HieroProtagonist 1 point 37 minutes ago
... it is like outlawing AfD: you maybe remove an immediate problem but you don’t remove the people...
Oh, you surely do: The radical elements who will take up arms after a ban of the AfD will be removed... one way or another. This leaves on the one hand the voters who voted for AfD because they thought they are a valid party - they will move towards other, less radical parties like the CDU or FDP where their beliefs will be watered down. On the other hand there are now those who will be put in a state of apathy after a ban - the "Politikverdrossenheit": Those will still rant online and in their inner circles, but they will have lost most will to engange in politics.
Buffalox 1 point 2 hours ago
it is like outlawing AfD
Although I agree that outlawing a party is not a good idea, this is a straw man argument, because I never claimed they should outlaw , but only that they should vote those fuckers way out of any influence.
But people are stupid, the average person is dumb, and 50% are even dumber. 🤷♀️
Cherry 1 point 42 minutes ago
Radical is used as a dirty word lately. It’s been used to imply wrongdoing or being associated with terrorism.
It’s not. Don’t listen to media language like this. Don’t be scared to think radically and support revolution.
Another aspect is other people acting like France shouldn’t do this. It’s like telling someone else to stop their momentum. Others might sit comfortable with being taken advantage of, but others don’t. They get up and do something.
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And how did we (it's not only France) get there? Neo-fucking-liberalism. Cronyism. Legal corruption.
That's what needs to Change. Who has that in their political program? The neofascists just say it but it's noise to distract from the above. Which is why they're getting paid by industrialists and foreign actors that want to destabilise us.
Will the dissatisfied masses ever realise that? I think we can help them.
So who really has Change in their political program? That's who we need to boost.
Seriously I'm so sick of hearing this shit. It's been the same ever since practically every EU country ate the austerity narrative and the new right began to rise.
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