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Mzuark 40 points 3 years ago

It's indefensible and he knows it's indefensible, so all he can do is pivot to "Russian disinformation"

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redtea 24 points 3 years ago

So he's Nazi-adjacent, too, then, is what he's saying. Because by framing it this way, you know that people are going to think the story is false, that it's Russian propaganda. Which makes it easier for Nazis to do Nazi shit, like honouring Nazis. Because they can more easily gaslight critics by shouting Russian propaganda. And now we're back full circle because someone who does that is a…?

Why am I unsurprised that a settler-colonial-liberal would be this way?

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Eat_Yo_Vegetables69 38 points 3 years ago

lol

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Shrike502 26 points 3 years ago

And then they call communists "conspiracy theorists"

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muad_dibber 32 points 3 years ago

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SpaceDogs 11 points 3 years ago

They could just look at reality for evidence but instead they have to come up with weird ass conspiracies to justify their support for a NATO proxy war. Cool. Love it.

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ComradeChairmanKGB 38 points 3 years ago

Did the Russians make you do blackface all those times too Justin?

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Addfwyn 31 points 3 years ago

When "Russinan disinformation" is just "information".

"I am sure you see how bad it looks if you report on the facts, so we ask you to instead help us push back against the truth with um...our own propaganda. But for a good cause!"

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SpaceDogs 4 points 3 years ago

Canadian journalists are literally crying on twitter over screenshots of Russian news articles about the situation, calling it “propaganda.”

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Munrock 29 points 3 years ago

At least he didn't make the statement in blackface.

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supersolid_snake 17 points 3 years ago

That was also Russia's fault. They made him a racist lib.

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Beat_da_Rich 28 points 3 years ago

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Addfwyn 15 points 3 years ago

Wait is that...did he?

Oh no.

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Galactic 25 points 3 years ago

I don't think it would've been possible for Trudeau to make a worse comment. Now you're openly hailing a Nazi and denying it. At least own it if you're gonna do it.

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WhatWouldKarlDo 20 points 3 years ago

Translation: We didn't think you'd notice the blatant support of fascism, we'll try harder to conceal it in the future.

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kig_v2 7 points 3 years ago

Nah nah its just warm up. Go 50, make people mad. Then you can do 30, 40. They adjust, now you can do 60 without spilling over the line. Rinse repeat. Boiling frog.

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CicadaSpectre 18 points 3 years ago

Surprising absolutely no one here. We all knew they'd blame it on Russia, just like we know most libs will happily oblige.

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Addfwyn 4 points 3 years ago

Being a political strategist in the west has got to be the easiest gig in the world. "Have you considered painting your opponent as a russian asset sir? That way we can dismiss all their arguments as russian propaganda. No, it doesn't matter that you want to actively murder your constituents, they won't care".

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CicadaSpectre 4 points 3 years ago

I still can't tell if my countrymen were always this indoctrinated and I just notice it more as an adult, or if I actually did watch things reach that point in real time. I swear it was this bad a decade ago, but I was barely an adult then.

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NumaNuma 16 points 3 years ago

A rehash of "the devil made me do it" trope.

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OrnluWolfjarl 16 points 3 years ago path: 0 3795857, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 0
SpaceDogs 15 points 3 years ago

Disabled people are dying, but yeah, let’s keep sending our money to prolong a war that was never ours. I keep seeing people crying that “disability benefits are provincial” and all I have to say is we need DERB now!

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MasterDeeLuke 15 points 3 years ago

"It is extremely upsetting and embarrassing that we have been discovered building gas chambers. Don't fall for Soviet propaganda about our intentions. Continue supporting the axis war effort."

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Poteryashka 7 points 3 years ago

What is the context? I'm late to the party

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bennieandthez 21 points 3 years ago

Context is that they made an homage to an actual nazi from ww2 in the parliament of canada.

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Poteryashka 10 points 3 years ago

Wow this is wild.

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bennieandthez 17 points 3 years ago

it gets worse, in the video linked Trudeau implies it was russian propaganda 😂

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Poteryashka 12 points 3 years ago

I don't understand it 😕. What I'm getting is:

  1. So they're sorry for applauding the guy.

  2. They were duped he was a hero OR He actually is a hero and nazi ties are propaganda.

  3. Doesn't matter anyways, support Ukraine

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JasonHears -19 points 3 years ago

Speaking on Monday, Mr Trudeau also suggested that Russia would use the appearance to push a false narrative on Ukraine.

Putin has tried justifying the war in Ukraine by saying he is fighting nazis. The optics of Canada’s parliament applauding a Ukrainian with ties to Nazis is that it adds fuel to Putin’s narrative. Trudeau did not blame Russian propaganda for causing the incident. Trudeau was saying to push back on Russian propaganda if Putin uses this incident to further those claims.

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Buchenstr 17 points 3 years ago

blah blah blah is that what you people all say? It's becoming a really tiring ad hominem. Never any western country's fault, always some mystic eastern forces which seem to pollute the pure white countries.

  1. Deflect the conversation to russian propaganda, since they'll use this as evidence for de-Nazification; good for them I guess, maybe the west shouldn't hold ovation ceremonies for war criminals?
  2. They only shown an individual who was 'affiliated' with the nazis;

  1. WhatabouttherussiangenocideinUKRAINE!!!!!; UN doesn't recognize a genocide, but they sure did convict war criminals belonging to the SS-galician division "At this stage, we still have not come to the conclusion that a genocide is taking place," the head of the commission, Eric Möse, told reporters at a press conference.

  2. "Russian Supporters (the liberal party of Canada?) fooled Zelensky and Trudeau by bringing in a SS-waffen veteran!; wow they must be really stupid then, maybe they shouldn't be heads of states? Doesn't explain why they met behind closed doors for some 'talks'

Also looks like poland is pissed, I wonder how will ukraine🤔

Anyways, time and time again russia 'propaganda' about nazism in ukraine always proves to be right. Why on earth should I believe the muck which the west's pump nowadays? They were wrong about russian munitions, they were wrong about NATO personal involvement in ukraine, they were wrong about the ukranian offensive, they were wrong about wagner etc. So no genocide in ukraine, western media is incompetent, or lying, or both, and Nazis seem to popping up everywhere in ukranian photos, and now they recently gave a ceremony to one. So go ahead, explain why I should be believe a PM who just praised a waffen-SS veteran about combating russian propaganda?

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Hagels_Bagels 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 3807024 3811901 3818091, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Hagels_Bagels 12 points 3 years ago

How will Trudeau manage to push back against Putin's claims that NATO countries and Zelensky support Nazis, after they have applauded SS members in parliament though?

I agree, I do think the optics of being seen by the whole world applauding SS members responsible for participating in genocide is bad. Because it actually is really, really bad.

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OrnluWolfjarl 9 points 3 years ago

His whole statement was a giant deflection.

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Addfwyn 5 points 3 years ago

The optics of Canada’s parliament applauding a Ukrainian with ties to Nazis

I apologise for my language, as I normally try to engage on good faith with dissenting opinions. But kindly fuck off.

"A ukrainian with ties to nazis". You mean a literal nazi that actually volunteered to join a nazi regiment? That "ukrainian with ties to nazis"? You are bending over backwards to whitewash him.

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gila -26 points 3 years ago

It's just 2 different quotes about different topics. P1 is about the mistake of honoring the person. P2 is about conjecture that Russia will use the footage to further denazification narrative

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ComradeChairmanKGB 30 points 3 years ago

Maybe there's some truth to the narrative given what we just witnessed.

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gila -23 points 3 years ago

A totally fine argument to make. Misquoting to make it seem like Trudeau is blaming it on Russia isn't though, because that didn't happen.

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Buchenstr 21 points 3 years ago

Common denazification narrative w, it just keeps getting more true as time goes on.

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