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If there was a religion of hate, do you think it should be allowed to be practiced?

3 years ago by ruford1976 to c/atheism

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JSocial 35 points 3 years ago

Already is.

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_cnt0 26 points 3 years ago

Ftfy:

Already is are.

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lettruthout 20 points 3 years ago

Yeah, what's that saying? Something like: "There's no hate quite like Christian love"

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01011 26 points 3 years ago

Any religion that looks to spread is going to use "us vs them" hatred and eventually violence to get their message across.

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ruford1976 5 points 3 years ago

thank you.

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psycho_driver 18 points 3 years ago

Uh, is this a rhetorical question?

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DLSantini 16 points 3 years ago

I mean, we have them, and they are. Sooo....

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BradleyUffner 14 points 3 years ago

cough conservatism cough

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Government_Worker666 13 points 3 years ago

It should be allowed to exist. But we should still condemn actions taken by it's followers that have negative impacts on society

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ruford1976 3 points 3 years ago

but allowing hate to be preached increases hate.

so why would you allow it?

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seitanic -2 points 3 years ago

Because disallowing it would be worse. This has been a hot topic of debate for centuries. Check out the book On Liberty by John Stuart Mill.

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ruford1976 3 points 3 years ago

worked out (atleast practically) for nazism in germany though.

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seitanic -2 points 3 years ago

Nazism used force and violence.

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CaptainEffort 8 points 3 years ago

I think anything is fine as long as they’re not hurting anyone. So if their hate is confined to themselves idc.

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01011 6 points 3 years ago

What if their hate is confined to their children, is that fine too?

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CaptainEffort 4 points 3 years ago

Fair enough. I don’t believe in children being indoctrinated into any belief personally, but obviously that’s a lot harder to police.

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ruford1976 1 point 3 years ago

exactly

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ruford1976 4 points 3 years ago

but confined hate eventually spreads once it gains a significant following. so why allow it in the first place?

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seitanic 4 points 3 years ago

How do you disallow it? Preventing people from practicing a religion would require a system so draconian that the drawbacks would far outweigh any possible benefit.

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ruford1976 0 points 3 years ago

By citing authentic sources from their scriptures and other data in court then use that to justify passing the law to ban the books and places of worship. before that group grows in significant number. The remaining that try to defy the law get fined or at the most severe punishment get sent to rehabilitation centers. (but not like chinese way where they use physical and mental abuse)

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seitanic 1 point 3 years ago

I'm a Satanist, so I'm 100% not going to support something like this, as I know that my religion would be the first on the chopping block. We already have to fight in court for our rights; this would just make it even worse.

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AA5B 0 points 3 years ago

Pretty much every religion has been persecuted that way somewhere in history …. Unless that’s your point

Also, just like any segment of society, every religion will be mostly moderate but with its share of zealots

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surewhynotlem -3 points 3 years ago

Punishing thought crimes?

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ruford1976 4 points 3 years ago

Religions are irrationally unjustified. and irrationally unjustified hate is a danger to democracy and other people.

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seitanic 8 points 3 years ago

Who would determine which religions are hateful and which aren't? How would this be enforced?

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watson387 7 points 3 years ago

There is a religion of hate: American Protestant

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01011 4 points 3 years ago

It's far from the only one.

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watson387 0 points 3 years ago

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I think all religions are ridiculous. These “Evangelicals” in particular are just the most outwardly hateful people lately.

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lud 2 points 3 years ago

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keropoktasen 5 points 3 years ago

In order to preserve tolerance, we must be intolerant to the intolerant. Give plaforms to the hateful religion, and the next thing they'll do is to play victim whenever they're being criticized for being intolerant.

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bramkaandorp 2 points 3 years ago

So no change from business as usual.

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AA5B 2 points 3 years ago

We did just have an interesting experiment in free speech over the last few years, and it’s still not clear where it ends up.

In the US there’s a carveout where online providers are not liable for what their users say, as long as the platform is free and open. However as the current craziness started breaking out, they did start moderating more, preventing at least some false info and at least some calls to endanger public safety. However, are they still not liable, now that they actively participate in what is allowed on their systems? Where should the line be drawn between false and endangering vs free speech, in what people use social media for? When it was just the village idiot spewing hate and violence, we could mostly ignore them, but what about when they have global reach, connect with other village idiots, actually instigate violence?

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charonn0 2 points 3 years ago

Depends on why people call it that, I suppose.

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