What is your opinion on the lack of downvotes?

3 years ago by Provoked Gamer to c/meta

I’m not from Lemmy.one, but I was wondering what you think of not having downvotes. Do you like having the ability to downvote, or not being able to downvote and why?

Cruxifux 16 points 3 years ago

I like downvotes because I’m petty

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DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 3 years ago

I like downvotes because I don't like seeing shittakes be uncontested. Truth isn't democratic, but humans are social animals and consensus matters to us even if it shouldn't.

You'll see outright fascist dogwhistles posted to instances that dont use them with nothing but upvotes. Do people know what they're supporting? Are they just upvoting because they see a comment that's apparently uncontested?

The worst combination is some instances using it and others not.

Hell, you dont want the negativity? Want people to approach comments on their own merit?

Get rid of the public display all together. Maybe give junkies a little private dopamine counter if you must.

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spaceghoti 2 points 3 years ago

This is where I'm coming from. I can block accounts that are clearly trolls, but if I block them in one instance I can't watch for them in the communities I moderate. So effectively, I can't block them and I can't do anything to discourage them from broadcasting disinformation. There's no option for negative feedback other than to feed the trolls by replying to them.

I'm finding it has consequences that were most likely unintended, enabling the worst people to appear as though their toxic opinions are praiseworthy.

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constantokra 7 points 3 years ago

I'd downvote it. I sincerely dislike the lack of downvotes.

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lemann 6 points 3 years ago

I like it, allows you to take posts at face value without any downvote bias

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ProvokedGamer 3 points 3 years ago

This is probably the main reason I’m considering switching to lemmy.one. Whenever I view a comment or what not, I can feel that I have a bias towards the person being upvoted instead of the one being downvoted. It seems to make it harder to take the post/comment for what it is.

Not only this, but I sometimes end up worrying if I’ll get downvoted for saying something, so I feel like no downvotes is the way to go. Do you know if any Lemmy clients support not showing downvotes if your instance doesn’t have them enabled?

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mateomaui 4 points 3 years ago

Memmy and Voyager both let you hide the downvote column, or select total votes between them which results in the same thing if you’re on a downvote disable server. Other apps may also allow it.

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ProvokedGamer 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks

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ProvokedGamer 1 point 3 years ago

Do they let you hide it on any instance or on downvote disabled instances?

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mateomaui 1 point 3 years ago

I’ve been trying out the newly updated Avelon app today, and it also seems to automatically hide downvotes on -disabled servers.

It’s free with some features limited to a pro version (I don’t know pricing yet but there’s a lifetime non-subscription option), but the layout is pretty nice so far, you may want to check it out.

edit: btw, it’s worth clarifying that by “hide downvotes”, for a -disabled server that just means hiding a column of 0’s, they aren’t registered on the server from anywhere.

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mateomaui 1 point 3 years ago

I think you’d have to be on a downvote-disabled server.

Memmy doesn’t seem to actually have a setting for it (that I can find), so I guess it just automatically does it.

Voyager has the options “Separate / Total / Hide”, so you could hide the votes altogether on a server with downvotes enabled, but would have to be on a server with them disabled for you to see “Total” votes without downvotes.

Don’t know about other apps.

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mateomaui 1 point 3 years ago

Turns out Avelon has a “Show Downvotes” option that you can turn off for any instance, available in the free features:

Only thing I’m not sure about with it so far is how to attach images to posts. Maybe I just haven’t found it, or it’s a “pro” option, but I switched back to Memmy for this reply, since it’s fast and uses imgur for the image hosting.

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bug 1 point 3 years ago

Be aware we don't have an active admin so you probably can't create an account (assuming the server doesn't just die one day!)

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ProvokedGamer 1 point 3 years ago

Ah ok. It did let me create an account, but the admin has to approve it so I probably won’t be on lemmy.one anytime soon (if ever)

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Fizz 5 points 3 years ago

I like that getting down voted here doesn't timegate your comments. Downvotes here are mostly pointless and are just visual representation of agreement

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sin_free_for_00_days 4 points 3 years ago

I'd rather have downvotes, although I do see the argument that it may lead to worse interactions. I don't feel super strong either way, but I tend to use my non-lemmy.one account more often for this specific reason.

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mateomaui 4 points 3 years ago

I prefer it, because something that regularly happens on reddit is browsing through the replies and finding one that’s been hidden by downvotes because it contained an alternative, non-misinformation solution to a problem (etc) that simply didn’t toe the line everyone else was promoting, as if there’s always one correct way to approach a situation.

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LinkOpensChest_wav 4 points 3 years ago

I really like it. Downvotes always feel like we're part of a petty power struggle or debate, and I don't come here for that style of toxic discourse.

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PeepinGoodArgs 3 points 3 years ago

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InfiniWheel 1 point 3 years ago

I don't think we can even see downvotes. So that can get kinda bothersome sometimes. Is everyone agreeing with some guy being an asshole around here? Or are they downvoted?

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