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Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel

3 years ago by MicroWave to c/world

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Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.

ShroOmeric 106 points 3 years ago

I have to say, Israelis are pretty good at cutting down my empathy towards them.

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Potatos_are_not_friends 45 points 3 years ago

And then they turn around and ask for funds/resources from the US.

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funkpandemic 40 points 3 years ago

No asking required, Biden promised 'unconditional support'. It's a blank cheque and they couldn't even write "not for genocide" on it.

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Duamerthrax 2 points 3 years ago

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PipedLinkBot 2 points 3 years ago

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hightrix 12 points 3 years ago

It seems like they may be getting advice from Elon on how to piss off everyone.

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Thrillhouse 65 points 3 years ago

And what happens if UNWRA does just that? Then they’ll be shamed and accused of working with a terrorist organization. It’s a no-win situation.

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Overzeetop 4 points 3 years ago

The reply should be, “Who should we be working with to draw equitable borders to ensure security? We’re not just asking for supplies, we’re forging local alliances to work on future solutions. “

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dumdum666 -44 points 3 years ago

Yeah, SHAME or CRITIQUE is really something UNRWA should not accept, to help the people it was created for.

Do let me get this straight: It is Israel’s responsibility to let even more fuel into the Gaza Strip, so it can be added to the vast amounts that Hamas already has, but it is not the responsibility of Hamas to provide the Hospitals with fuels from those vast storages?

Not many days ago, Hamas stole large quantities of fuel from the UN, too.

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Thrillhouse 22 points 3 years ago

I feel for the civilians caught in the middle. Now is not the time to be hard headed about asking a terrorist group to do what’s right. Obviously they don’t care and the civilians are being punished too. Being callous about their suffering doesn’t solve the situation… it just feeds into the terrorist narrative.

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GentlemanLoser -10 points 3 years ago

Sorry, "now is not the time"? When is the time, then?

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Thrillhouse 24 points 3 years ago

Idk maybe when there’s not a huge humanitarian crisis. Gotta deal with the humanitarian crisis first or find somewhere for these people to go with actual resources for them. I wouldn’t want to be operated on in a hospital without electricity or anaesthesia, and I’m certainly not wishing that on civilians here.

Asking despotic governments in charge to do what’s right never works. Why should civilians be punished?

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NoneOfUrBusiness 14 points 3 years ago

When Palestinians aren't being ethnically cleansed, would be a good start.

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Jimmyeatsausage 5 points 3 years ago

It sure sounds like you're holding Israel and a terrorist organization to the same standard. Nobody expects terrorist organizations to be concerned about human rights. Most of us still expect democratic states to... even if they don't always live up to it.

I continue to be amazed that Israel's "supporters" hold them in such low esteem..."Why should they be better than terrorists?" Because, if If we can't expect Israel's government to be better than Hamas, then what reason do we have to support them?

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WaxedWookie 59 points 3 years ago

Ask Hamas... also, get within 6 blocks of Hamas, and we'll probably kill you. Given a little time, we'll probably kill you anyway.

Israel have the motivation and means to commit a genocide. Hamas terrorism was always going to be the pretext, it was just a question of when. Meanwhile, the civilians all get fucked - though not remotely equally.

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ericisshort 43 points 3 years ago

What absolute pieces of shit.

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hh93 -33 points 3 years ago

Hamas? yeah

can't get lower than shooting rockets from next to hospitals, schools, etc, forbidding people to leave because you know you'd be exposed without them as shields and still pinning every casualty for your behaviour on the country that you just slaughtered hundreds of people of without any reason other than to provoke

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Kbobabob 35 points 3 years ago

Nice try, but there's assholes on both sides and i actually think Israel is worse simply because so many are willing to turn a blind eye for some reason.

https://www.amnesty.org/...

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greenmarty 1 point 3 years ago

I'm not disproving or I agreeing to assholes on both sides theory.

But the reasoning that one side is worse because someone turns blind eye to them is dangerous. Humanity should always consider actions and not judge party in the opposite of someone else opinion.

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SCB -23 points 3 years ago

The reason is that they're being threatened with actual, literal, genocide.

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GONADS125 26 points 3 years ago

Isreal is literally committing genocide on a larger scale than Hamas could ever dream of.

Your argument is that Isreal is morally permitted to inflict actual genocide in response to a perceived threat of genocide?

You're either oblivious to reality or living in denial, and most certainly engaging in emotional reasoning; not logic.

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TheDankHold 8 points 3 years ago

No they’re inflicting that currently. Extremist threats from low tech militias aren’t equal to the Israeli settler programs happening now or the conditions that the 40% 17 and under live in within Gaza, under Israel’s direct order.

Israel is currently gripped by extremists themselves, they assassinated the Israeli pm that set up the Oslo accords then scuttled them. They funded Hamas because it was easier to ideologically oppose than moderate parties.

The real reason is that extremists on both sides see each other as a great tool for recruitment. Israeli citizens need to follow through on their anti corruption protests and vote extreme Zionists out of power.

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hightrix 5 points 3 years ago

How much does act.il pay you for your comments?

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ericisshort 22 points 3 years ago

You knew what I meant. Israel propped up Hamas for years because it created a rift between Gaza and the West Bank and stalled the creation of the Palestinian state. Israel has been complicit in Hamas’s rise to power and in these attacks. Even Jewish media has admitted that Netanyahu’s govt has allowed them to gain power because it divides Palestine. They want all Palestinians to be seen as terrorists so they can get western support for their genocide. Israeli news even reported about the Hamas training exercises weeks before the actual attack, and if they knew, imagine how much more Israeli intelligence knew. Now they want to starve the Palestinians and are making public jokes about their intent to the UN. Fuck the fascist IDF! Free Palestine! (And no I do not support hamas and never have).

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SCB -13 points 3 years ago

stalled the creation of the Palestinian state

It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.

Israel funded Hamas as an opponent to Abbas, who was fighting against a Palestinian state. That was really stupid, it turns out, but not for the reasons you've suggested.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 7 points 3 years ago

It would be weird for Israel to intend there not to be a Palestinian state when they have continually offered the Palestinians creation of the very first Palestinian state.

They dropped that policy in the 90s.

Also Israel funding Hamas isn't a one-off thing.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

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sheogorath 5 points 3 years ago

You know, since you're very knowledgeable about Hamas can you answer a question for me?

I'm West Bank, where there's no Hamas presence, Palestinians are still getting killed by the IDF. Can you tell me the reason?

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weeabooextract 27 points 3 years ago

Wow, that's cartoonishly evil. It's like they held an internal contest on the "Most horrible thing we could say in response".

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hh93 9 points 3 years ago

Almost as evil as Hamas sitting on a huge amount of money in Quatar and lots of oil but instead of supporting the people in Gaza they prefer using them as human shields and letting them suffer without any support and try to pin the suffering on Israel for not letting them slaughter civilians without realiation...

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HappycamperNZ 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, dick thing to say but Israel is literally saying to ask your apparent government to provide for their people from their own stock.

What else are they going to use it for, and is that more important than their citizens?

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NoneOfUrBusiness 18 points 3 years ago

Israel is literally saying to ask your apparent government to provide for their people from their own stock.

Israel is also not allowing aid to Gaza. It's also Israel that created a Gaza that can't even provide electricity for itself. Not saying Hamas shouldn't use their stock for the sake of Gazans (if they have that much; this is still the IDF and they're not known for caring about the truth), but the reason Gaza is in this situation is still Israel.

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HappycamperNZ -15 points 3 years ago

In the short term, yes it is caused by Israel. You could also argue it was caused when Palestine and friends invaded Israel in the middle of a Civil War and lost, losing territory in the process.

Long term, this is something like 1500 years in the making.

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ghostdoggtv 2 points 3 years ago

The people running Israel right now are literally Nazi-allied legacies. When you realize who and how it is perfectly in character.

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SCB -9 points 3 years ago

Hamas is literally the government in Gaza. It's not a joke so much as them sugg sting that they rely on their government for it's specific purpose.

Hamas has stockpiled reserves of supplies, but they keep them from the citizens. This isn't even counting their money, which could be used to provide aid for their citizens instead of wealth and weapons for themselves.

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HappycamperNZ -6 points 3 years ago

I think this is the key thing that makes me side with Israel. There is soo much "Israel this, illegal blockade that" when the literal Palestinian government has things they are holding from their citizens. That is an internal government decision.

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

Hamas is, at the end of the day, an organization dedicated to making martyrs of their people first and providing for them second.

This isn't speculation or opinion - this is their official stance

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iegod -3 points 3 years ago

I love how easy it is for you to be onkwith this because you've been told they do in fact have a government. But they don't. Not really. A 45 square km patch, 2M total pop, with 50% being literal kids.

But yes they're just as organized ,capable and sustained as other large western nations. They must be bombed, surely!

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Ordoabchao 19 points 3 years ago

I am not surprised at this response from Israel in the slightest. After all, they are no better than Hamas.

Both like to slaughter innocent civilians. shrugs

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wetnoodle 10 points 3 years ago

Most moral army my middle fucking nut. Fully happy to genocide all Palestinians because of the actions of terrorists funded by Israel

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mwguy 7 points 3 years ago

A Napoleonic era artillery barrages could flatten Gaza in a couple of weeks. They're clearly not attempting to genocide all Gazans. To believe that requirea the belief that the IDF is the most incompetent military force to ever walk the planet.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 5 points 3 years ago

They're not attempting to kill them all, but 1.4 million people have been displaced. And they want them to flee northern Gaza, and historically land in these cases is not returned to Palestinians.

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mwguy 4 points 3 years ago

That's a fair concern. But this happened in 2008, 2012 and 2014 where mass amounts of Gazan were told to flee certain areas (granted not this massive) and after their ground operations Israel retreated back across the border.

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cman6 2 points 3 years ago

I would argue this is still genocide, just not at a rapid rate:

https://www.oxfam.org.uk/...

2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!

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mwguy 0 points 3 years ago

And that's the fault of their government who started a war. In no other conflict, has there been the expectation that in a war between parties A and B, that A feed, clothe and care for the civilians in party Bs territory that party B militarily controls.

2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!

And that is the fault of Hamas for not properly preparing for this war they started. They had the initiative, they could have stockpiled the basic goods it's civilians would need. They chose not to.

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bernieecclestoned 3 points 3 years ago
  • Iran

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NoneOfUrBusiness 7 points 3 years ago

And Israel. Israel funded Hamas in the past to weaken the peace-seeking PLO. And even now they allow foreign money to reach them. Can't have your boogieman going broke.

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

the peace-seeking PLO

Lol gonna need you to cite this one because the PLO has denied every single peace deal Israel has offered, including multiple 2 state solutions

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NoneOfUrBusiness 2 points 3 years ago

How so? The Oslo accords were called off by Israel. And the failure of peace talks in 2014 was confirmed by the US special envoy to be 100% Israel's fault. Camp David is a matter of debate and nobody really knows what happened in 2008 so I won't comment on those, but by my count that makes 2 times where Israel refused peace.

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bernieecclestoned -8 points 3 years ago

Source of where Israel funded Hamas?

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NoneOfUrBusiness 5 points 3 years ago

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BeatTakeshi 10 points 3 years ago

Not much left before they say out loud what they really think: everyone beyond the wall we built is in fact, hamas. Easier to bomb once put in the same bzg

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greenmarty 3 points 3 years ago

Disclamer! don't look for hidden meaning, I'm honestly currious. Why isn't Gaza supplied by sea yet ? Are those waters too shallow or something ? Iran and other Hammas allies could send them fuel, food etc by sea.
Also why are they digging those tunnels , can't the supplies be brought through as well ?
Edit: I don't mean secret military supplies, but rather humatiarian help that can go under official UN flag or similar organization .

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barsoap 5 points 3 years ago

Why isn’t Gaza supplied by sea yet

You'd have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy. And they have German submarines so, basically, forget it: They can shoot at you while you can't even see them. Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.

Also why are they digging those tunnels , can’t the supplies be brought through as well ?

The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn't exactly the goal of the UN.

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greenmarty 1 point 3 years ago

The tunnels are Hamas-controlled and supplying Hamas isn’t exactly the goal of the UN.

I meant basic supplies for civilians. Obviously UN won't supply Hammas but Hammas says they are the just guys so they could open the tunnel or two for UN.

You’d have to shoot your way through the Israeli navy.

I meant basic supplies for civilians which could go under UN flag. I admit that mentioning Iran etc was missleading into military support. But for offIcial UN mission, I somehow doubt that US, Nato or even Israeli navy would sink aNY ship that has blue helmets on the board on humanitarian mission.

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goat 0 points 3 years ago

Ask US carrier group admirals about their experiences with those subs in training manoeuvres.

more info pls

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Womble 2 points 3 years ago

There have been multiple war games where German and Swedish subs on the "enemy" team have popped up within a few hundred metres of a US carrier, snapped a picture (which could have been a torpedo launch) and escaped again without being detected.

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goat 1 point 3 years ago

any links to these? sound fun

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barsoap 2 points 3 years ago

Gah can't find good English articles they're all talking about France or Sweden doing the same, but have a German one. And that's referring to Type 206 submarines who sneak on battery power instead of hydrogen, Israel's Dolphins are essentially a bit bigger Type 212s.

It's basically become a sport by now for NATO submarine crews to "sink" US carriers in exercises, kind of like a rite of passage for any new sub.

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autotldr 2 points 3 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

UNITED NATIONS, Oct 24 (Reuters) - Twenty trucks were unable to transport aid to Palestinian civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip on Tuesday, the United Nations said as U.S. President Joe Biden dubbed humanitarian efforts to deliver help via a crossing from Egypt as "not fast enough."

"We hope the materials can enter Gaza tomorrow," said U.N. aid spokesperson Eri Kaneko.

It has become the focus of efforts to deliver aid since Israel imposed a "total siege" of the enclave in retaliation for an attack by Hamas militants on Oct. 7.

Senior U.N. aid official Lynn Hastings had earlier told the Security Council that 20 trucks were due to cross on Tuesday.

White House national security spokesman John Kirby on Tuesday described Israel's concerns as legitimate.

The U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinians in Gaza, UNRWA, warned on Tuesday that it would have to halt its operations on Wednesday night if there were no fuel deliveries.

The original article contains 385 words, the summary contains 156 words. Saved 59%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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ghostdoggtv -2 points 3 years ago

The UN should revoke Israel's founding charter, they've gone rogue and need to be brought to heel.

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corsicanguppy -4 points 3 years ago

Why are we writing 'Defence' without the air-quotes?

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jet 1 point 3 years ago

Because Reuters tries to maintain factual and neutral reporting of information. And the Israeli defense forces do not put quotes in their own name

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