lolola 100 points 3 years ago

This seems to follow a progression

No ads
Non-intrusive ads
Intrusive ads, but you can pay to make them go away
Intrusive ads, but you can pay to make them less intrusive
Intrusive ads and you have to pay just to see the content
Content becomes ads
Ads pretend to be content (see Dr. Pepper's "Fansville")
Award categories for ads are featured in major award ceremonies
Award ceremonies just for ads go mainstream

Actually not sure what's real vs hypothetical at this point.

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dustyData 23 points 3 years ago

We've been through this before. FFS, the US has a whole event whose entire point for like 99% of the audience is to see which ads will be shown during the half time break. Cable still has 24h advertisement channels.

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teft 12 points 3 years ago

This is how you end up with that scene in Demolition Man where they’re singing commercials.

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dopeshark 12 points 3 years ago

This comment is brought to you by Nord VPN

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kadu 3 points 3 years ago

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bratosch 3 points 3 years ago

(see Dr. Pepper's "Fansville")

Nice try, Dr. Pepper. If that is even your real name!

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lolola 3 points 3 years ago

Oh gosh. Did my critique of ads just become an ad?

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BURN 1 point 3 years ago

I’m gonna be real, I prefer fansville style ads over traditional TV commercials.

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TheFeatureCreature 42 points 3 years ago

Textbook enshittification.

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God_Is_Love 34 points 3 years ago

Use Signal instead and donate what you can per month! I'd much rather support them than Meta

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Thorny_Insight 17 points 3 years ago

There's one slight issue with Signal and it's that none of my contacts is using it and I'm not going to be the guy telling them to install it just so that they can talk to me.

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daniskarma 8 points 3 years ago

In the EU by next year app communication protocols need to be compatible by law, it is mainly said that it would mean that whatsapp could communicate with telegram but I suppose it also should work with signal.

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miss_brainfart 6 points 3 years ago

Should work pretty well even, since they use the same encryption protocol.

Won't happen though. Signal is very much against interoperability, and they're not big enough to be considered a gatekeeper that will be forced by law.

Fun fact I learned not long ago:
Even iMessage technically wouldn't count as a gatekeeper, since it is in fact below the usercount threshold the EU defined.

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Asudox 4 points 3 years ago

Signal is not required to be interoperable and the CEO also stated that they won't.

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kadu 3 points 3 years ago

That's... Well, I guess I have zero incentive to try Signal then.

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Patch 1 point 3 years ago

As Signal is open source, I guess someone could just fork it. It's not like anybody is really using it en masse as it is, and the kind of people who use it at the moment are also exactly the kind of people who would be happy to migrate to another service if they had a reason to.

Literally everyone in the UK uses WhatsApp, including 100% of my own extensive contacts. If I could download an open source rival app and still have full interoperability with WhatsApp users, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I've got Signal installed on my phone, but it's basically pristine and unused due to the lack of people to talk to. What's another app for the pile?

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God_Is_Love 1 point 3 years ago

Not gonna lie I did this with all of my friends and family and most of them switched 🤣 But I completely get not wanting to go there!

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albert -6 points 3 years ago

You should. If they'll literally stop talking to you over an app choice how good of friends are they?

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Fisch 5 points 3 years ago

Aren't you doing the same thing to them in this case?

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Melonpoly 13 points 3 years ago

The only thing stopping me would be that literally no one on my contact list wants to do that... including work. I'm sure that's the same for most people.

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Gamoc 12 points 3 years ago

Yeah great, then I can talk to literally nobody because I've never met a single person in my life who has signal, and now it doesn't even do texts anymore! Hooray!

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qyron 3 points 3 years ago

SMS was considered a safety issue amd discontinued.

And if nobody in your friends group start talking about, nobody will get to know it.

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Gamoc 2 points 3 years ago

I know it was, that's when I stopped using signal. And I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince a bunch of people to sign up for yet another app to chat in, they're not interested and don't care because WhatsApp exists.

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qyron 0 points 3 years ago

I was in your place once.

At some point I just decided I couldn't be bothered with installing junk software that rendered my low spec cellphones unusable in a very short time.

If anyone wanted to reach me they could send me an sms, email me or spend the time to properly call.

Worked like a charm to thin the herd.

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Asudox 2 points 3 years ago

Just today I found out that usernames are available for public testing.

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bullshitter 2 points 3 years ago

I'm using it. Thinking of bringing peoples from lemmy to signal.

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EngineerGaming 1 point 3 years ago

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Patch 1 point 3 years ago

Legitimate question: would Signal or Matrix be the most desirable place to end up in a hypothetical post-WhatsApp Hegemony world? Or XMPP for that matter?

I've honestly never got my head around the difference in terms of the pros and cons of each.

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God_Is_Love 1 point 3 years ago

I actually haven't heard of Matrix, it sounds like your knowledge on this topic surpasses my own!! I'm gonna research the things you mentioned though because I'm interested!

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Petter1 30 points 3 years ago

Time to find your matrix homeserver!

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kurcatovium 10 points 3 years ago

I do love the idea of matrix, but it's definitely not a direct replacement for whatsapp, sadly.

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Mojojojo1993 4 points 3 years ago

How do you even search for it. What's it called ? Matrix brings up the film franchise

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kurcatovium 1 point 3 years ago

This is just part of the problem. Matrix is the network, but clients you use are dozens with different names like Element, FluffyChat, Neochat, Fractal, heck even Thunderbird supposedly supports Matrix. And then a huge problem with this is not every client supports every Matrix function. Like end to end encryption? Half of the clients doesn't even support this main selling point.

Does anyone else get XMPP/jabber vibes from this? Wasn't this part of why jabber never really got adopted en masse?

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Mojojojo1993 1 point 3 years ago

So is it user friendly to non devs ? I haven't been able to find information regarding it.

Any suggestions for using matrix ? Is it useful or nah ?

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Chouxfleur 0 points 3 years ago

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Mojojojo1993 1 point 3 years ago

Link gives me error messages

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ObviouslyNotBanana 1 point 3 years ago

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Petter1 2 points 3 years ago

Why not? What is missing?.

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kurcatovium 2 points 3 years ago

It's more like Slack than Whatsapp IMO. It's not so streamlined and using it on multiple devices is definitely mainly for tinkers. Or at least it was couple years ago. That cross signing through devices was everything but intuitive.

And THE feature everyone I know misses the most is giphy/tenor support, which is kind of dumb, but also really understandable. This and similar nice to have features are still lacking.

Is Matrix better for the users privacy? Definitely yes! But is it better user experience? Well, kind of almost, but not yet.

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Petter1 3 points 3 years ago

Cross signing is easy now, ether scan a QR code, or compare emojis. Multi device on Matrix is even better than WhatsApp, signal etc. because you are not forced having at least one android or iOS phone running the main instance but all instances are the same level, same as in telegram. Having threats is superior to what whatsapp offers (no threats) Well, I’m not a gif sender, so I never recognized that gif is not supported

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Hexagon 2 points 3 years ago

Why not? I never tried it so I don't know the details

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maggio 10 points 3 years ago

Because exactly 2 peopleI know have matrix users.

I still use it, and refuse to use Whatsapp, but it takes some effort to get people over to the beautiful FOSS-side

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Petter1 2 points 3 years ago

You can set up some bridges until you have convinced others to use matrix as well (Btw. Matrix is NATO approved 😝)

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Azhad 16 points 3 years ago

I hope that they put ads, lots and lots of ads, so I can finally switch to something else.

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sviper 9 points 3 years ago

Waiting for WhatsApp enshittification do that I can move to more open platform

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jungle 15 points 3 years ago

WhatsApp doesn't have an inbox. What are they talking about!?

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Luisp 4 points 3 years ago

It has a feed now full of podcasters and tiktokers, the web version offers me to buy ads for the feed right in the front of the messages, every time I open it, disgusting

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jungle 2 points 3 years ago

I don't see that. There's no feed anywhere as far as I can tell. I just see my chats. I didn't create any communities or join any channels. Is that where you see a feed?

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Flipper 3 points 3 years ago

It's in the second tab, where stories are. Stories used to stay open, so you could easily see the ones you already watched. Now they disappear into a watched drawer that is by default closed. They need the space to show you channels, like the one of the owner Sugar mountain or random tiktokers.

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Asudox 1 point 3 years ago

Whatsapp slowly transforms into instagram

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jungle 1 point 3 years ago

Are you sure you're talking about WhatsApp? I don't see stories anywhere. Never saw anything like that. Maybe you're talking about Snapchat or Instagram or something else?

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Luisp 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, stories are renamed now

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MDZA 9 points 3 years ago

I hope they do it. And I hope It’s bad enough to push users away.

Then I my exit out of the Meta ecosystem will be complete!

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lemmylommy 8 points 3 years ago