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riceandbeans161 46 points 3 years ago

and some people still claim it’s not a genocide

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havokdj 17 points 3 years ago

I was about to make a meme until I read it further.

That sucks man, I don't have anything else to say.

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groupofcrows 12 points 3 years ago

Children are the future, thats why we have to kill as many as we can.

Netanyahu, probably

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whoisearth 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 5227293, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
son_named_bort 4 points 3 years ago

I don't think that's what people mean when they say blaze it.

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filister 3 points 3 years ago

Vs. 31 on the other side, once. And yet some political echelon there still thinks this fact gives them the moral high ground.

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IverCoder 2 points 3 years ago

This is not nice.

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febra -3 points 3 years ago

Doesn’t matter. The western world will keep relativising the deaths of these children. They will keep looking for excuses as to why it’s okay to murder this kids. It’s a “necessary evil”. If you’re from a non western country, maybe you should try and think about how this could be you. And one half of the world would simply excuse the murder of your family.

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sirboozebum 4 points 3 years ago

The United States is the biggest diplomatic loser in this war.

Gave Israel eveything it wanted but Israel ignores all it's behind the scenes requests for a ceasefire.

It's reputation in the Middle East is so trashed that close Arab allies can't even be seen in public with their envoys.

Western diplomats have said that they have lost the global south. No one believes their claims about human rights and a rules based international order.

A complete destruction of United States influence in the middle east and heavy damage in developing countries.

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escaped_cruzader -6 points 3 years ago

Taking abortion to the next level

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boatsnhos931 1 point 3 years ago

Finally a solution for global warming

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Woht24 0 points 3 years ago
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catagris -24 points 3 years ago

A Terrible thing.. It sayings "Ministry of Health data" which Ministry of Health?

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merthyr1831 54 points 3 years ago

The Gaza ministry of health has met the highest standards of NGO and UN scrutiny. They even published proof of every single confirmed dead civilian a week ago when the death toll was at 8,000. There were 12 pages of names before the age of 1.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 25 points 3 years ago

Usually the Gazan ministry of health, which is run by Hamas because they're the local government in Gaza. But, their numbers are highly accurate, as said by UNICEF.

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Pancito -46 points 3 years ago

It's run by hamas. Doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people dying for real. But the numbers are right out of the mouth of a terrorist group.

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merthyr1831 48 points 3 years ago

It's interesting that you'll take Israel's word despite proof of regularly fabricating lies. But the health ministry under bombardment that is verified by the UN and multiple humanitarian NGOs is "the mouth of a terrorist group".

Perhaps you'd do well to consider whether your cowardly attitude to human suffering is making you an insufferable person.

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avater -7 points 3 years ago

I wouldn't take Israel's word for granted either...

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be_excellent_to_each_other 24 points 3 years ago

One snippet out of a lengthy article.

Many experts consider figures provided by the ministry reliable, given its access, sources and accuracy in past statements.

“Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.”

Shakir said Human Rights Watch would not use figures provided by parties with “a propensity to misrepresent information.”

Why news outlets and the U.N. rely on Gaza’s Health Ministry for death tolls

And another:

Throughout four wars and numerous bloody skirmishes between Israel and Hamas, U.N. agencies have cited the Health Ministry’s death tolls in regular reports. The International Committee of the Red Cross and Palestinian Red Crescent also use the numbers.

In the aftermath of war, the U.N. humanitarian office has published final death tolls based on its own research into medical records.

In all cases the U.N.’s counts have largely been consistent with the Gaza Health Ministry’s, with small discrepancies.

— 2008 war: The ministry reported 1,440 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 1,385.

— 2014 war: The ministry reported 2,310 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 2,251.

— 2021 war: The ministry reported 260 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 256.

What is Gaza’s Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war’s death toll?

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TokenBoomer 4 points 3 years ago

Perhaps not surprisingly, it is also this number - six million - that Holocaust deniers aim at when trying to discredit the essential nature of the Holocaust. Source

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Ddhuud 1 point 3 years ago
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StupidBrotherInLaw 1 point 3 years ago

I'm really glad that, for the most part, people around here are educated enough to see the complete lack of value of comments like these.

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NewAgeOldPerson 0 points 3 years ago

I am so very tempted to wish you ill. So so very. But I'll use my rage to donate instead. I hope you meet your fate though. Sooner than later.

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avater -34 points 3 years ago

why are these articles alway forget to mention that the gazah ministry of health is operated by the hamas...

I'm not saying that all these numbers are from a fairytale but I also would not take them for granted...

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NoneOfUrBusiness 27 points 3 years ago

Because their numbers are accurate. This article came out recently:

https://edition.cnn.com/...

We can probably take UNICEF's word for it.

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avater -13 points 3 years ago

At least they make them more plausible, thx for sharing!

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howsetheraven 19 points 3 years ago

What number of children deaths is acceptable for you?

"I'm not saying that all these numbers are from a fairytale"

If that's true, then what's your number? How many children are you okay with dying?

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avater -13 points 3 years ago

🙄

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ShittyBeatlesFCPres 13 points 3 years ago

Their top line numbers tend to be accurate. If you look at the 2014 Gaza War data, the Gaza health ministry said 2,310 killed (70% civilians), the UN said 2,251 (65% civilians) and Israel said 2,125 killed (36% civilian, 20% uncategorized males between 16 and 50, and 44% combatants).

Obviously, everyone labels “civilians” and “combatants” in their own way and for their own purposes. But the health ministry hasn’t historically just pulled numbers out of their ass.

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Sooperstition 8 points 3 years ago

Because they’re not sleepwalking into genocide denial like you and Joe Biden

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avater 0 points 3 years ago
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Lemmyboi 7 points 3 years ago

Because it isn't operated by hamas

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avater -14 points 3 years ago path: 0 5179854 5180245 5180708, hotness: undefined, score: -14, children: 6
TokenBoomer 6 points 3 years ago

So 0 children have died in Gaza? Got it! Is that what you’re saying? Because that’s the implication of “Don’t trust the Numbers…”

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Lemmyboi -2 points 3 years ago

Did you check the sources? For fuck sake just do some critical thinking before replying

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avater -3 points 3 years ago

🥲

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sirboozebum 2 points 3 years ago

It's amusing because Holocaust deniers use that exact same argument.

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avater 3 points 3 years ago

which one? That we maybe should look into multiple independent sources, instead only in one provided by the Hamas, which I also did not call false? And to answer to your shitty accusation. there are multiple sources for the Holocaust so it's pretty easy to verify that it has happend and was an atrocity.

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Linkerbaan -4 points 3 years ago

Hamas doesn't lie about everything like israel does.

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StupidBrotherInLaw 2 points 3 years ago

I don't particularly like Hamas, in fact I strongly dislike them, but you're right. They simply have no need to lie about everything as the Israelis have a knack for actually doing the terrible things they'd otherwise have to fabricate.

Would they lie if the Israelis weren't a bunch of genocidal shit heels? Probably not, because Hamas wouldn't exist if not for the actions of the Israelis.

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