And he will face no consequence for it.
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Syndic 54 points 3 years ago
And will only get even more bolder as a consequence. It's quite fascinating how that shit head is exposing so many flaws in the current political system. And yet very little is done about it.
be_excellent_to_each_other 17 points 3 years ago
Edit- Retracting my statement as I read your reply as "justice system" not "political system."
I shouldn't be awake.
Wirrvogel 16 points 3 years ago
I wish it were only the political system, but it is also the social contract that is being broken.
Not everything in a society can and should be regulated by law. For example, we know not to cough or sneeze in someone else's face, but to put our arm or hand in front of our face. It's not a law and yet 99% of people know it and do it and call out people who don't.
The US political system worked well for a while because there were do's and don'ts that weren't made into law, but every politician respected them to some degree. The GOP no longer respects anyone or anything, not an unwritten rule or even a written law, but they want to be respected, they want their rights to be respected.
This is not just happening in the US, I see it happening in the UK and Germany for example. Basic respect for each other is being lost more and more, between families, between neighbours, even between politicians. How do you get that back?
We don't know how to deal with it as a society. We can't have a law for everything. We depend on people and politicians to keep within the minimum social rules and follow an unwritten code, and we have nothing to punish them if they don't and they just ignore these rules and spit on them.
SnotFlickerman 4 points 3 years ago
This is literally why China adopted a social credit system, which penalizes spitting in general but also includes spitting on rules.
Not saying it is the best solution, just saying it exists.
assassin_aragorn 6 points 3 years ago
It's a double edged sword to build up this much shit. We saw with the court cases that nothing happened until one person decided to make a move. After that, the indictments came flooding in.
Someone needs to be willing to be the first one to throw his orange ass in jail for obstruction of justice and witness intimidation. But after that first person moves, I think we'll see everyone move, and it'll all collapse on him.
It's certainly a flaw though, as you point out. Needing one brave person to stick their neck out to maintain rule of law isn't great.
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SlowNoPoPo 38 points 3 years ago
Won't someone rid me on of this meddlesome priest?
originalucifer 213 points 3 years ago
this should be a clear violation of the gag order. but it wont be. theyll be some hand waving and he wont be held to account. and no, a monetary fine is not justice.
Neato 49 points 3 years ago
That was very stupid of the judge. Insults and mockery normally are just that. But when someone has a platform as large as Trump full of violent traitors, it turns into death threats pretty quick.
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
dhork 23 points 3 years ago
Judges have to be careful with their orders. They have a lot of power, but are always subject to review. No judge wants to see their orders overturned on appeal because of some action they took.
So while a judge absolutely can impose a broad gag order on Trump right away based on his past behavior, his lawyers get to appeal, and they have shown that their legal strategy is whining about every little thing until they get their way.
By doing out punishments in small stages, he can establish a clear pattern of objectionable conduct, such that when the harsher penalties come, his lawyers have a much worse position to whine from.
originalucifer 17 points 3 years ago
honestly im surprised he didnt just outright threaten someone. it kinda feels like this is a desperate attempt at a mistrial.
how many judges would allow 'well, you only broke the intent of my rules not the letter, so ill let it slide this 3rd time'. its prolly zero... unless of course you know the intent of the defendant is to generate a mistrial or other incident allowing appeal.
flipht 6 points 3 years ago
Trump isn't a actually stupid. He's just an asshole and normal people don't get it.
But if the judge left himself off, and if Trump can make him adjust the order to add himself, or otherwise indicate that he's upset that he's being targeted himself, Trump can and will then argue that the judge is making personal decisions and ask try to make drama about recusing. Which won't go anywhere, but will ramp his followers up further.
He knows exactly what he's doing.
homesweethomeMrL 82 points 3 years ago
I mean, I couldnāt disagree more. Heās unfathomably stupid.
krashmo 24 points 3 years ago
Haha that's so true. I have no doubt there are intelligent people around him who are trying to get him to be the evil genius that guy thinks he is, but there's just no way he can do it on his own. Unfathomably stupid is the perfect description.
stolid_agnostic 31 points 3 years ago
No he is just him. Thereās no act. Thereās no strategy. Thereās no subterfuge. What you see is what you get and Trump is a very stupid person.
toiletobserver 17 points 3 years ago
Lots of people are saying he's the dumbest, maybe the dumbest that's ever lived. Just the other day he was punching a baby, and the baby miraculously spoke its first words, calling him dumb. If Nobel had a prize for being dumb, he'd win every year. No one else can compare to his ultimate dumbness.
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Number1SummerJam 178 points 3 years ago
Hold him in jail NOW, no excuses
SnotFlickerman 146 points 3 years ago
lol if only.
We're sleepwalking into fascism.
lennybird 112 points 3 years ago
It's amazing how many times I've seen historians say that this is exactly how historic examples of fascism come about. First people laugh and think 'that would never happen. It's too absurd. Then as day turns steadily into night you look around and realize it's there and it's too late.
I have zero respect for anyone who continues to support the Republican Party, let alone Donald Trump. I can't help but see the same gullible, immoral, selfish fools that supported the likes of Hitler in the early 30s.
afraid_of_zombies 2 points 3 years ago
Except this time it isn't like there is someone who can swoop and stop it. It's not like the EU is going to be in Washington DC rebuilding the country.
SnotFlickerman 1 point 2 years ago
I missed this somehow a year ago. Now with Trump actually in power again it's more accurate than it would have been if I had replied to this a year ago:
History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce
ghostdoggtv 19 points 3 years ago
I thought woke was going to destroy America, which is it
be_excellent_to_each_other 20 points 3 years ago
I mean, the folks complaining about woke aren't the same folks worried about fascism, it's not like you've called out some contradiction.
Witchfire 3 points 3 years ago
We're the passengers and the people driving insist that there is no right side of the road, this is the right side of the road and you're an anti-American commie for suggesting otherwise!!!! /s
Also for some reason they're blasting terrible white trash MAGA rap.
be_excellent_to_each_other 75 points 3 years ago
I think a lot of them do see it, but he pisses off the libs and seems to be promising to hurt the people they want to be hurt, so they are OK with that.
pete_the_cat 34 points 3 years ago
He's literally Hitler, just without the genocide.
YodaDaCoda 19 points 3 years ago
Just without the genocide so far
whofearsthenight 7 points 3 years ago
Yeah, I mean, his agenda if he's reelected is apparently a genocide, so I wouldn't be counting any chickens here.
be_excellent_to_each_other 18 points 3 years ago
There's still time.
borf 17 points 3 years ago
Without the genocide
Are we just going to forget about the family separation border policies? Or the "it's ok if grandma dies as long as we can go back to Outback Steakhouse again" treatment of COVID?
Amazinghorse 16 points 3 years ago
Just remember Hitler built up to that. He started off small just like trump is.
Buddahriffic 11 points 3 years ago
Also it wasn't Hitler himself that architected the Holocaust. Him being in power gave power to even worse people. He was happy to go along with it, it just doesn't look like he had any specific plans to actually exterminate the Jews when he was rising to power. So don't think that Trump's lack of any specific agenda means that such a thing won't happen if he is in a position to enable it.
Illuminostro 2 points 3 years ago
Yet.
TechyDad 20 points 3 years ago
For a way too large group, his being unhinged bigoted rants are a selling point, not a liability.
For way too many others, they don't care about his unhinged rants because he's pledging to hurt OTHER people, not them.
The former are bad, but aren't enough to sweep Trump into power. The latter, though, could help Trump attain power and then will act shocked when they get targeted.
Rednax 19 points 3 years ago
Tolerance is a social contract, not an ideal. If someone refuses to adhere to the contract, then they are not entitled to the benefits of it either. Hence, there is no paradox. When we say "be tolerant to all" what we mean is "please adhere to the social contract, and assume everyone else does so, until proven otherwise".
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redundantgrouch -15 points 3 years ago
The paradox still exists. You described a system that is intolerant of the intolerant. That system is therefore not tolerant. The paradox is that no system can be completely tolerant... Because intolerance would have to be tolerated, which would make the system intolerant.
Your response would be like saying the boot strap paradox doesn't exist because I haven't invented time travel. But, I still need to fuck my grandma or else I never will! Wait...
Jaigoda 15 points 3 years ago
It's not a paradox to say "I will be tolerant of anyone who is also tolerant." Whether that's a good foundation for society to be built upon is subjective I suppose, but it's not a paradox.
CosmicCleric -4 points 3 years ago
paradox of tolerance
From Wikipedia...
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
Someone needs to explain to me why that's an absolute/assured (the italicized part).
That seems like one hell of an assumption, and not a foregone conclusion.
infamousta 4 points 3 years ago
Assume that the tolerant party extends tolerance to the intolerant party. The goal of the intolerant is directly in opposition that of the tolerant, and the tolerant must then tolerate (i.e., not impede) this aim.
The only direction such a conflict can move in is toward the will of the intolerant party, because any push in an opposing direction would require an exercise of intolerance from the tolerant party (or an adoption of tolerance by the intolerant party).
CosmicCleric -3 points 3 years ago
The only direction such a conflict can move in is toward the will of the intolerant party
No, it can stay in a steady state, or if the majority of the population agrees one way it can move back towards tolerance.
because any push in an opposing direction would require an exercise of intolerance from the tolerant party
I would argue the opposite. To be able to deal with intolerance you have to be even more tolerant to be patient of them and their opinions.
You're making a false statement and a straw man.
ChonkyOwlbear 3 points 3 years ago
It's true the same way that the boxer with one hand tied behind his back will lose a fight. All other things being equal, the side that limits itself will always lose because they deny themselves paths to victory the opposition can use.
CosmicCleric 0 points 3 years ago
they deny themselves paths to victory the opposition can use.
HOW we win, matters.
ComradePorkRoll 1 point 3 years ago
Those who want the benefit of the social contract without adhering to it will be dominant as they have an upperhand.
CosmicCleric -2 points 3 years ago
Those who want the benefit of the social contract without adhering to it will be dominant as they have an upperhand.
No, the intolerant won't be dominant, because they will require everyone to follow them to have that power, and they won't be followed.
The false premise doesn't match the reality 'on the ground'.
MycoBro -3 points 3 years ago
Thatās what people on here take as facts. A paradox on Wikipedia. Get the fuck out of here. No one needs to read that uslesss garbage. Who defines what is or isnāt tolerate? āNope, your being intolerant of (insert crazy fucking shit) off the the gulags with ya. These people are as bad as their far right counter parts and canāt even see it. Dripping with the same hate that they feel for the āenemy ā
HandBreadedTools 4 points 3 years ago
Wikipedia lists 17 different references from the last 70 years on this topic. It is not a new concept. It is also literally evident in a variety of places that have tried the absolute free speech approach, such as 4chan.
Your entire comment is either disingenuous or asinine.
interceder270 4 points 3 years ago
I mean, they should get to say what they want to say.
It's up to us to recognize it as bullshit and rise above it.
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ChonkyOwlbear -2 points 3 years ago
Unfortunately reality doesn't work this way. A popular lie beats an unpopular truth. That's a large part of why we can't make any meaningful progress on addressing climate change.
Olhonestjim -6 points 3 years ago
No, no they should not. Nazi speech should be criminalized. Just like yelling Fire! in a crowded theatre. Nazi speech is even more deadly and destructive.
interceder270 4 points 3 years ago
Yeah, they say the same things about pro-trans speech.
The problem is, when you start policing speech, you open up the floodgates for people to pick and choose what is right or wrong to say. If it's okay to ban 'nazi speech,' then what's stopping the next congress from banning 'trans speech' or 'communist speech'?
Nah. It's up to us, as a society, to work together to keep these ideas at bay through discussion. If we try to ban people from sharing these ideas altogether, it will create a Streisand Effect and give them more power than they would otherwise have.
Olhonestjim 7 points 3 years ago
Germany seems to be doing ok with banning it. And the rest of us aren't doing so hot with allowing it.
Illuminostro 0 points 3 years ago
Criticize Israel for a week straight, here. When your ban is lifted, tell us how much you love absolute free speech.
TropicalDingdong 66 points 3 years ago
Lock him the fuck up. Enough already.
BigMacHole 57 points 3 years ago
The Judge after a Right Wing Terrorist puts a bullet in his head: "Let this $10000 fine be a warning to NOT let this happen again!"
runner_g 13 points 3 years ago
We should know Friday on the ruling in Colorado. Judge heard closing arguments today.
Asafum 3 points 3 years ago
I really don't know why everyone discounts the propaganda so much. I've been a broken record on this lately because, yes, we have assholes in vast numbers, but we also have a massive propaganda problem that is essentially creating a reality that doesn't actually exist.
In their version of reality there's actually a real reason why everyone is coming down on Trump and it's spun in a way to make you think he's a victim of the "ruling elite" who's trying to prevent him from Fixing Americaā¢. Their version of reality has Trump as a likeable silly person who has a loving family and just wants to use his Business Acumenā¢Ā©Ā® to set America on the right path. Past that there's all the Facebook/social media fantasies people make up and spread, qanon shit, etc...
That's not to say there aren't hundreds of thousands of people who are just straight up racist hateful assholes, but a very large portion of the people who vote for Trump think they're actually picking a good person... It's infuriating, the criminal isn't a criminal and ol Biden who the right has been attacking forever is somehow actually a criminal that no one can catch..
BrianTheeBiscuiteer 2 points 3 years ago
He's a gift in some ways: he's shown the true colors of our neighbors to us.
I'd be more thankful if there were way less "neighbors" showing their true colors right now.
ComradePorkRoll 2 points 3 years ago
Belt-and-suspendera approach? We're barely using a drawstring to keep our pants up.
homesweethomeMrL 35 points 3 years ago
The judge created this. By slapping him on the wrist, ever so gently, he is absolutely going to get more of it.
Wise TF up judge. Jail. No posting anything about the trial, your court, or anyone involved. You are not dealing with a normal person. Heās a demented sociopath. You can not allow this.
beebarfbadger 34 points 3 years ago
Translation: "The legal system isn't sufficiently stacked in my favour anymore like all the previous hearings were, so somebody move to illegal means of nudging the results while I hide behind plausible deniability in saying that I did not mean that at all."
IamSparticles 6 points 3 years ago
It's actually better. He didn't write the comment, he just re-shared it, boosting the visibility. This is his typical MO. "Lots of people are saying the thing. I didn't say the thing." Until the judges tell him flat out to stop using his social media accounts or they'll throw him in jail, he's going to keep doing this shit.
theostermanweekend 33 points 3 years ago
Trump is a damn criminal fascist grifter. The day he leaves our lives, I'll do a goddamn dance.
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Buddahriffic 4 points 3 years ago
At this point, with all of the bullshit his cult believes, he'll become a martyr whatever happens (other than him winning). I don't see this going anywhere other than fascism or a civil war, it's just a matter of how long does it take to get there.
carl_dungeon 25 points 3 years ago
Ball gag this orange lard and throw him in solitary, Christ.
some_guy 20 points 3 years ago
"I wasn't calling for violence when one of my supporters did violence to these people. I said citizen arrest. They misinterpreted when they thought I wanted violence. The knock-on effect of chilling any future prosecutions also isn't what I wanted."
ComradePorkRoll 7 points 3 years ago
Will no one rid me of this judge?
TransplantedSconie 18 points 3 years ago
Anyone know the odds that the chud he keeps "reTruthing" is Russian?
themeatbridge 15 points 3 years ago
If he's not in America, he's not much use to Russia. If he fled, the US would freeze his assets and seize his properties. All of his value would shrivel like his penis in a Siberian pool.
ChunkMcHorkle 6 points 3 years ago
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captain_aggravated 36 points 3 years ago
We did vote him out. 3 years ago.
Asafum 16 points 3 years ago
Member when he basically told hillary to fuck off and shut up because she lost and we shouldn't have to hear from her anymore? Member when his supporters said they'd have backed off and accepted it if he lost?
God I wish this asshat followed his own advice, but a grifting amoral asshole will always do the grifting amoral asshole thing and cultists gotta cultist...
I'm so sick of living here, but I have no marketable skills to offer other countries...
samus12345 16 points 3 years ago
We already did. He's trying to get voted back in. I'm afraid nothing short of him not existing any more will release his death grip on the GOP.
iamtrashman1312 6 points 3 years ago
nothing short of him not existing anymore
And the thing of it is is that this is exactly accurate. The man could die from anything and there would be a small but not insignificant crowd of people prepared to make him a martyr, claiming it was some "deep state" assassination
macrocephalic 5 points 3 years ago
If it's gonna happen regardless, maybe someone should defenestrate him.
samus12345 3 points 3 years ago
Yeah, but at least they wouldn't be able to vote for him any more. The hate he represents was there before him and will be there after he's gone.
FanciestPants 2 points 3 years ago
Weird hypothetical: what if he dies, but he's still getting votes? My guess is that there's a decent portion of his supporters that would vote for his corpse, maybe assuming it's some conspiracy and that he'll rise from the dead. I mean he wouldn't be able to take the oath of office, but would congress have to invoke the 25th amendment if a dead person wins the election?
krayj 12 points 3 years ago
I don't know anything about how truthsocial works.
Is "retruthed" the same thing as "retweeting" (or whatever that's called now on xitter), or is it closer to "liking" something?
Regardless, trump now thinks he's found a loophole in the gag oder by letting other people post it and then boosting it somehow?
The article was super confusing to me.
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Varyk 3 points 3 years ago
He's facing fines, his family is in court, he's already been found liable for rape, everyone was saying the same thing before he even went to court. That he would never actually go to court that he would never be found liable for rape, and now he has.
This one incident isn't so important except as a cumulative addition to his felonies. But everything added up is important and he is facing actual consequences.
He's a rapist. Anybody who votes for Trump or supports Trump is voting for and supporting a rapist. That will not change everyone's minds, but it's going to affect how some people vote.
Syndic 3 points 3 years ago
Heās facing fines, his family is in court, heās already been found liable for rape, everyone was saying the same thing before he even went to court. That he would never actually go to court that he would never be found liable for rape, and now he has.
It's still way to little way to late. The amount of shit that fucker still is allowed to pull would have landed any other normal person in prison months ago. When the justice system does show this unequal application of it's justice, it does hurt it's own perception among the normal people significantly.
Varyk 3 points 3 years ago
It isn't fair or proportional yet, but it proves that even though everybody was saying that he'll never go to court or get in trouble for anything, Trump was found to be a rapist, he is ordered to pay millions of dollars in compensation, his motions to dismiss cases are now being struck down instead of allowed. He's facing 36 felony counts.
Cynicism and marginalization about the sentencing he's already faced and his current legal battles only helps Trump. He wants you to have that exact attitude, because if enough people think that he can't be prosecuted, then you will fulfill your own prophecy.
The justice system in this country is very slow, and it hasn't been "fair" since it's inception, and even so the justice system is working.
He's liable for rape, his business licenses were suspended in New York, his family is going to court, it's being litigated in Colorado whether he can even be on the ballot.
It isn't fair or proportional, but people are actively fighting against Trump and getting results, rather than complaining about how maybe further action won't work.
Illuminostro 4 points 3 years ago
Somebody's going to get killed over his narcissistic rage bullshit.
StorminNorman 1 point 3 years ago
You say that as if it hasn't happened already.
Furedadmins 2 points 3 years ago
Someone should fucking citizens arrest that seditious piece of shit.
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