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jetsetdorito 209 points 3 years ago

All these tech companies are really getting bold lately with wildly unpopular decisions to try and raise profits

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zekiz 62 points 3 years ago

Lately? That always has been the case. You just forget them. Remember when they removed the dislike button? Or polls? Any any other feature?

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grue 32 points 3 years ago

Yes, lately. This news about a Youtube three strikes policy, Reddit shutting off API access, and Twitter forcing people to log in to see content are all happening on basically the same day. Is it just a coincidence, or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously?

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429 10 points 3 years ago

I thought Reddit and Twitter were pretty clearly responses to the massive data grab by OpenAI that let them train their language models.

I assume there are other factors involved too, like Reddit trying to force everyone to use its app. But I don't think it's coincidence this happened not long after ChatGPT took off.

... Though now that you mention it, I wonder if there's a connection between Netflix stamping out password sharing and Youtube getting serious about ads.

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Ruxias 3 points 3 years ago

I feel like this is their reaction to the feeling that (1) frontiers are not as wide as they used to be in the younger days of the internet and (2) economic undercurrents driving them to put the clamps on, locking in their user base and trying to squeeze every dime they can before things go tits-up.

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Ruxias 7 points 3 years ago

As with all innovation that was started at the behest of public (taxpayer) initiatives, companies are initially greeted with wide open frontiers - new horizons to exploit, extract, and dominate.

In the fledging stages of a startup, they will sing praises of openness and public good and the importance of community. However, once they have reached a certain point they pull the ladder up behind them, close the door, and claim they did it all based on their own ingenuity and merit.

Were it not for the effort of the public - through the creation of the internet, and the average person putting into making content and value on the internet - these companies would not exists. Don't forget that. People; regular people, are what make the internet a place worth visiting and using. These companies are just extracting from the richness that we generate.

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MercuryUprising 2 points 3 years ago

Exactly that. Mining our very thoughts and ideas for their own profit. It's probably as dystopian as you can get.

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hup 6 points 3 years ago

Twitter was apparently just a glitch. I'm told it's tricky to run a half billion user website with a skeleton crew.

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SirQuackTheDuck 3 points 3 years ago

or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously

I'm guessing, uhh, money.

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grue 1 point 3 years ago

"Money" is too general a reason to explain the simultaneity, though.

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grue 1 point 3 years ago
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ricdeh 6 points 3 years ago

Yes, that's true, but such very questionable decisions seem to concentrate around the present and near past (last few months/this decade), indicating that tech corporations might finally have reached the point by which they cannot go on being as unprofitable as they currently are

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snek 43 points 3 years ago

Talk about burning goddamn bridges! YouTube is dependent on content creators and yet it wants to fuck their audience.

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iturnedintoanewt 28 points 3 years ago

If they are going for it is because regardless the grumbling and finger waggling and the terrible press... It seems to work. People stayed in Twitter. Now it won't even open tweets without login in. Reddit walkout, for all the noise it's been creating... Is rather low so far. It's just encouraging to be an asshole to your userbase. It pays off and most people won't leave.

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XanXic 6 points 3 years ago

Also Netflix gaining more subscribers after killing password sharing. Everyone saying how they'd cancel that day and grumbling. Silent majority said "der....okay...I'll make an account" and Netflix is happy as hell.

I'm very disappointed with the majority of users of these services enabling this shit over the last year. Screwing themselves and everyone. I genuinely don't understand it. I'm astounded Twitter is still going strong. They've done everything they could to piss off daily users and upended the entire structure. But addicts can't break away to a different service.

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Rootiest 8 points 3 years ago

I cancelled my Netflix service, stopped using Twitter and I will not be using Reddit going forward.

I may not be the majority but not everyone just caves to the capitalist pigs

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Misk 1 point 3 years ago

Quality not quantity. Yes there are less of us here, but we're the good ones 😝

Personally I quite like the thought of lemmy being a smaller but higher quality version of Reddit. Like Reddit used to be before all the normaloids joined up and turned it into tiktok. I miss the old days of forums and IRC chat rooms filled with nerds that were doing it for the love of information. Web 2.0 2.0 ftw!!

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CynicalStoic 5 points 3 years ago

I didn’t even think about the messages people are sending these companies by not leaving their respective platforms in response to hostile audience/consumer policy changes.

They know now they can get away with it with minimal impact on their bottom line …

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ricdeh 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah. By this point, I don't really care for the people that want to stay on the sinking ship and live under ultra-capitalist dystopia anymore. If they want to remain so badly on Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc., then just bloody stay there and have your minds enslaved by ruthless mega corporations

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SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT -3 points 3 years ago

Creators are probably quite happy with increased ad revenue and OK with losing non-ad watching viewers...

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swnt 4 points 3 years ago

Except that CCs make almost no money from ads - unless you're already big and produce lots of clickbait videos.

High quality produced videos are discouraged with these incentives. successful CCs have switched to sponsorships and merchandise and Patreon since a long time because it's much more stable and sustainable for them. And by the time they can make enough from ads via YouTube they're big enough to have good sponsorship deals anyways.

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aspensmonster 24 points 3 years ago

All these tech companies are really getting bold lately with wildly unpopular decisions to try and raise profits

It's capitalism doing what it does. As the rate of profit falls, the capitalist will do everything in his power to reverse the trend. The tendency towards large conglomerates of social media websites and away from the federated, decentralized web was just the first stages of digital imperialism. Now we're in the "fun" phase where there is no more raw, new attention to be mined; just stolen from somewhere else.

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RaoulDuke 16 points 3 years ago
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Xiphorang 32 points 3 years ago

That's true, but they'll never be satisfied with just making some profit. There will always be a rapacious desire for infinite profits. If they could find a way to make you watch nothing but ads on there and charge you for it, they would do it. It's only going to get worse.

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albsen 28 points 3 years ago

They have been making a profit on YT for years already. This isn't to cover the server cost, its to increase the bottom line after all competition was crushed by them. Also, I remember a time with unobtrusive ads that were fine and not an issue, unfortunately for the past 2 years or so they're pushing more and more ads lately doubling up on them as well. Clearly people - just like me - start fighting back and stop them from abusing with massive amounts of unwanted content.

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Itty53 20 points 3 years ago

The users don't have an obligation to care because they are the product itself. This is big tech wanting to have its cake and eat it too. Pick a business model, one.

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jetsetdorito 14 points 3 years ago

I definitely understand where YouTube is coming from, more than reddit or twitter.

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RaoulDuke -1 points 3 years ago
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imPastaSyndrome 6 points 3 years ago

Meh, that's always "with also paying the C-suite money for doing figuratively nothing" so...

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Itty53 3 points 3 years ago

Social media and tech aren't the same rules. Twitter was social media, therefore most of its valuation was speculation. Markets. Stock price. Twitter actually was way ahead of the pack (was) because they offered Twitter Firehose. Active data analytics api. They were making more real revenue than any other social media outlet, per user, because of that. But the technology on that backend was not small, and they've driven away the devs who made it keep working.

And even still it was not enough to counteract the cost associated with being social media.

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KilgoreTheTrout 10 points 3 years ago

First of all, they getting all of our data which they can then sell to advertisers. Secondly even if we pay $15 a month for ad free experience, literally 60% of the remaining content is still sponsored videos or videos with endless self-promotion.

Chrome is also depends on ad revenue and yet Google has not only sanctioned to ad blockers but openly promoted them at times.

The idea that YouTube cannot function because tech-savvy enthusiasts are blocking ads is quite ridiculous.

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RisingSwell 1 point 3 years ago

I think the problem is that it isn't just tech savvy people doing anymore, because if it was just a small group of people, they wouldn't care. There's gotta be a significant % that use ad blocker, and I'd expect that to be a whole number at minimum

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snek 8 points 3 years ago

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XanXic 9 points 3 years ago

I like the "That company looses money every year!" and when you look into it they profited some ungodly amount and spent it on 'infrastructure' and bonuses. Then go 'woe is us, we can hardly make a dime!' while treating everyone near them like shit. (Looking at you DD)

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Sekki 3 points 3 years ago

I dont know somehow you mixed up two points... Yes someone has to pay for the servers but that is already happening as it is right now and that has nothing to do with companies wanting more and more profits since that is the Problem here. The servers cost the same if not less as in the years before and I dont think Youtube is struggling with keeping enough spare change to run them... Its just pure greed at this point.

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Baylahoo 1 point 3 years ago

This is entirely speculation, but there's a possibility that all that money spent on ads/marketing aren't translating to returns that were expected. That means pressure on marketing to be more effective. Then the marketing leans on the platforms they are using to be more effective at getting user engagement. This is when YouTube starts requiring more and more user-unfriendly tactics to show proof of engagement so they don't lose ad money. When in reality, with all of this, no matter the marketing strategy, nobody has any money anymore to buy the shit that's being pushed and are probably just getting upset and abstaining from buying the most annoying ads' products. If I see company X push the same thing 25 times in a day, and I can't afford it, I still won't buy it. If I ever can afford it, I probably don't want to buy it later either because I felt like hostage for so long.

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xc2215x 13 points 3 years ago

Yeah it has been a bad June for these company decisions.

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FinalFallacy 8 points 3 years ago

The ravenous attempts to squeeze the last of the blood from the stones.

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Prior_Industry 6 points 3 years ago

In Google case their looking at all angles to increase profits now. Tech stocks don't just rise based on a concept of far off future revenues anymore. Dickhead CEO's have become emboldend by Musk's actions sadly.

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metaStatic 62 points 3 years ago

Reddit trying to discover the fediverse tipping point was nice, but Youtube trying to find Peertube's tipping point? oh that's NOICE

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kudzu 12 points 3 years ago

It really is one by one the large social media companies make bad decisions and there's a huge migration to a nicer fediverse alternative. I guess the positive side to YouTube doing this is that Peertube will have more people + content

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Gamers_Mate 7 points 3 years ago

I am thinking of using an alternative to youtube as a backup do you recommend any specific peertube instance?

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ahriboy 2 points 3 years ago

snug.moe peertube

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Niello 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks. Not quite for snug.moe but I went on there, clicked a video and the bgm they used reminded me of a certain game OST I love. They linked to the source on soundcloud and now I have a massive playlist to look forward to.

https://soundcloud.com/...

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jeena 30 points 3 years ago

What happens if you already have YouTube Premium but never the less go on YouTube with an adblocker because you're trying to prevent companies tracking you? Also 3 strikes?

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RaoulDuke 29 points 3 years ago
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cyanide 20 points 3 years ago

I don’t know, but they are probably not going to ban paying customers.

They routinely ban paying customers (email, cloud hosting) and developers that bring in revenue for them through the Play Store.

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jeena 10 points 3 years ago

They ban on a browser fingerprint probably, not on the IP, otherwise the whole University which is behind one IP would be blocked at once for example.

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RaoulDuke 19 points 3 years ago
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Axolotl 1 point 3 years ago

Assuming these decisions are made by people who even understand what a browser footprint is. After all the people deciding these thing are the same type of people who banned porn from tumbler.

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count_duckula 5 points 3 years ago
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aspensmonster 1 point 3 years ago

They ban on a browser fingerprint probably, not on the IP, otherwise the whole University which is behind one IP would be blocked at once for example.

IPv6 when?

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pineapplelover 8 points 3 years ago

On a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be hard. If you bought it then they can whitelist your account from any warnings. Will they do that? Idk because trackers are yummy.

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hup 5 points 3 years ago

I can't answer your question but I can tell you that my ad-free Hulu still required me to whitelist them in my adblocker if I don't want to wait on a blank screen that says "Please turn off your adblocker" for 60-90 seconds per episode. I almost suspect the the "skip ads" function somehow gets blocked along with the ads themselves by the adblocker. Hopefully YT doesn't go this route.

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imPastaSyndrome 9 points 3 years ago

Which is funny because I always preferred the silence

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MelonTheMan 2 points 3 years ago

Same, gives me a moment to think.

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snooggums 2 points 3 years ago

I have watched ad free hulu on Firefox with uBlock Origin for a year or more with no issues. So while I believe that you had that experience, I haven't run I to it with that combo.

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jeena 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah I was thinking about something similar happening on YouTube.

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Bruncvik 27 points 3 years ago

I wonder whether this will affect people with devices like the Pi-hole in any way. As far as I understand it, Youtube is serving ads to my gateway, and only then they get blackholed, so detecting that I don't see the ads should be more difficult (and probably not worth the effort and resources until Pi-holes and similar devices become the norm).

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Makeshift 26 points 3 years ago

Pi hole doesn't block youtube ads. Since they are served through the youtube.com domain, you'd be blocking youtube as well

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XanXic 10 points 3 years ago

I think it would still detect you're ad blocking. What you're describing isn't much different than how Brave blocks ads on a browser level. Usually the way they detect ad blocking is they put some piece of information or key in the ads themselves and ask the browser for that key. If it doesn't have it, because the ad is blocked, they can assume you're running an ad blocker. Pi hole not even letting it hit your computer would trigger that.

Idk how the new ads 2.0 system works for chrome though. Sounds like a kernel level ad-key check. Which would be even more reliable for them I assume.

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JunctionSystem 1 point 3 years ago

Cat: ...Wait a moment, we're using Ad Nauseam. Which stores the ads and fakes clicks on them.

Lucifer: Would that spoof the key check?

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wagesj45 6 points 3 years ago

the pi hole works in the opposite direction. your machine is asking for the ip address associated with a dns request, such as youtube.com, and the pi hole decides if it gives you the ip to resolve it, or if it is an ad, it tells your computer that it can't be found.

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phi1997 13 points 3 years ago

PiHole doesn't work with YouTube because the videos you want to see and the ads both come from the same domain

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wagesj45 2 points 3 years ago

correct. i was just explaining that pi holes block outgoing requests, not incoming traffic.

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firecat 23 points 3 years ago

New update, YouTube says it will disable playback. Which doesn’t sound bad because we can still use 3rd party viewing services and other ways to bypass it with downloading the videos

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Niello 23 points 3 years ago

Nice way for me to just log out of Youtube and continue to use ad blockers.

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thekernel 13 points 3 years ago

but if you do that how are you going to get the helpful suggestions of videos you have already watched?

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chainsawrobot 19 points 3 years ago

Ad revenue was the Pandora's Shit Box that has opened up the fall of capitalism. Can i just watch ads all day while i work my shit job instead so I can have a fucking life, Mr Corporation?

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FirstSeaLord 18 points 3 years ago

Literally got revanced on my phone justa couple hours ago. Feels good!

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Buritominer2 13 points 3 years ago

Sounds like a great way to make people try to bypass it more.

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Thorny_Thicket 8 points 3 years ago

They might actually get me to pay for premium because there's no way I'm watching ads but it's not like I'm not going to try every single trick in the book first and make them really work for my subscribtion. Aftell all I'm still using instagram ad-free aswell.

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AlpacaLipsNOW 8 points 3 years ago

May I suggest you go premium but purchase in India via a VPN. I have been on Premium for the last 3 years at roughly £13 a year (1299 rupees). All you need is a VPN, and any Indian zip code, you can just pay with your normal credit card.

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Thorny_Thicket 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the tip. Already got VPN too.

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Toast 2 points 3 years ago

How do you go about using instagram ad-free?

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Thorny_Thicket 2 points 3 years ago

Use it via browser that has ad-block enabled

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gamencode 1 point 3 years ago

Modded client!

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MachineTeaching 2 points 3 years ago

I mean as far as I can tell they are striking the account. Realistically that's the only thing they can do. So just don't be logged in and it should be just fine.

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ninbreaker 8 points 3 years ago

Guess it's time to use VPNs for yt now

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McBinary 8 points 3 years ago

Sounds like Google is going to be enjoying a whole lot fewer viewers then.

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aeternum 2 points 3 years ago

Hmm. Do you really think so? I don't think so. Reddit's shit hasn't caused a LOT of reduced clicks. Some, but not really. Just goes to show that companies can fuck their creators, and people will stay.

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mr-strange 6 points 3 years ago

NewPipe is running super-slow for me at the moment, when on my home WiFi. Switch to 4G, and it's super-quick. It's been that way for 3-4 days now.

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I_Miss_Daniel 6 points 3 years ago

Guess I better keep a copy of my emails on IMAP...

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