Lately? That always has been the case. You just forget them. Remember when they removed the dislike button? Or polls? Any any other feature?
Yes, lately. This news about a Youtube three strikes policy, Reddit shutting off API access, and Twitter forcing people to log in to see content are all happening on basically the same day. Is it just a coincidence, or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously?
I thought Reddit and Twitter were pretty clearly responses to the massive data grab by OpenAI that let them train their language models.
I assume there are other factors involved too, like Reddit trying to force everyone to use its app. But I don't think it's coincidence this happened not long after ChatGPT took off.
... Though now that you mention it, I wonder if there's a connection between Netflix stamping out password sharing and Youtube getting serious about ads.
I feel like this is their reaction to the feeling that (1) frontiers are not as wide as they used to be in the younger days of the internet and (2) economic undercurrents driving them to put the clamps on, locking in their user base and trying to squeeze every dime they can before things go tits-up.
As with all innovation that was started at the behest of public (taxpayer) initiatives, companies are initially greeted with wide open frontiers - new horizons to exploit, extract, and dominate.
In the fledging stages of a startup, they will sing praises of openness and public good and the importance of community. However, once they have reached a certain point they pull the ladder up behind them, close the door, and claim they did it all based on their own ingenuity and merit.
Were it not for the effort of the public - through the creation of the internet, and the average person putting into making content and value on the internet - these companies would not exists. Don't forget that. People; regular people, are what make the internet a place worth visiting and using. These companies are just extracting from the richness that we generate.
Exactly that. Mining our very thoughts and ideas for their own profit. It's probably as dystopian as you can get.
or is there some underlying factor causing these services to all tighten their respective nooses simultaneously
I'm guessing, uhh, money.
Yes, that's true, but such very questionable decisions seem to concentrate around the present and near past (last few months/this decade), indicating that tech corporations might finally have reached the point by which they cannot go on being as unprofitable as they currently are
If they are going for it is because regardless the grumbling and finger waggling and the terrible press... It seems to work. People stayed in Twitter. Now it won't even open tweets without login in. Reddit walkout, for all the noise it's been creating... Is rather low so far. It's just encouraging to be an asshole to your userbase. It pays off and most people won't leave.
Also Netflix gaining more subscribers after killing password sharing. Everyone saying how they'd cancel that day and grumbling. Silent majority said "der....okay...I'll make an account" and Netflix is happy as hell.
I'm very disappointed with the majority of users of these services enabling this shit over the last year. Screwing themselves and everyone. I genuinely don't understand it. I'm astounded Twitter is still going strong. They've done everything they could to piss off daily users and upended the entire structure. But addicts can't break away to a different service.
Quality not quantity. Yes there are less of us here, but we're the good ones 😝
Personally I quite like the thought of lemmy being a smaller but higher quality version of Reddit. Like Reddit used to be before all the normaloids joined up and turned it into tiktok. I miss the old days of forums and IRC chat rooms filled with nerds that were doing it for the love of information. Web 2.0 2.0 ftw!!
I didn’t even think about the messages people are sending these companies by not leaving their respective platforms in response to hostile audience/consumer policy changes.
They know now they can get away with it with minimal impact on their bottom line …
Yeah. By this point, I don't really care for the people that want to stay on the sinking ship and live under ultra-capitalist dystopia anymore. If they want to remain so badly on Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, etc., then just bloody stay there and have your minds enslaved by ruthless mega corporations
Creators are probably quite happy with increased ad revenue and OK with losing non-ad watching viewers...
Except that CCs make almost no money from ads - unless you're already big and produce lots of clickbait videos.
High quality produced videos are discouraged with these incentives. successful CCs have switched to sponsorships and merchandise and Patreon since a long time because it's much more stable and sustainable for them. And by the time they can make enough from ads via YouTube they're big enough to have good sponsorship deals anyways.
All these tech companies are really getting bold lately with wildly unpopular decisions to try and raise profits
It's capitalism doing what it does. As the rate of profit falls, the capitalist will do everything in his power to reverse the trend. The tendency towards large conglomerates of social media websites and away from the federated, decentralized web was just the first stages of digital imperialism. Now we're in the "fun" phase where there is no more raw, new attention to be mined; just stolen from somewhere else.
That's true, but they'll never be satisfied with just making some profit. There will always be a rapacious desire for infinite profits. If they could find a way to make you watch nothing but ads on there and charge you for it, they would do it. It's only going to get worse.
They have been making a profit on YT for years already. This isn't to cover the server cost, its to increase the bottom line after all competition was crushed by them. Also, I remember a time with unobtrusive ads that were fine and not an issue, unfortunately for the past 2 years or so they're pushing more and more ads lately doubling up on them as well. Clearly people - just like me - start fighting back and stop them from abusing with massive amounts of unwanted content.
I definitely understand where YouTube is coming from, more than reddit or twitter.
Meh, that's always "with also paying the C-suite money for doing figuratively nothing" so...
Social media and tech aren't the same rules. Twitter was social media, therefore most of its valuation was speculation. Markets. Stock price. Twitter actually was way ahead of the pack (was) because they offered Twitter Firehose. Active data analytics api. They were making more real revenue than any other social media outlet, per user, because of that. But the technology on that backend was not small, and they've driven away the devs who made it keep working.
And even still it was not enough to counteract the cost associated with being social media.
First of all, they getting all of our data which they can then sell to advertisers. Secondly even if we pay $15 a month for ad free experience, literally 60% of the remaining content is still sponsored videos or videos with endless self-promotion.
Chrome is also depends on ad revenue and yet Google has not only sanctioned to ad blockers but openly promoted them at times.
The idea that YouTube cannot function because tech-savvy enthusiasts are blocking ads is quite ridiculous.
I think the problem is that it isn't just tech savvy people doing anymore, because if it was just a small group of people, they wouldn't care. There's gotta be a significant % that use ad blocker, and I'd expect that to be a whole number at minimum
I like the "That company looses money every year!" and when you look into it they profited some ungodly amount and spent it on 'infrastructure' and bonuses. Then go 'woe is us, we can hardly make a dime!' while treating everyone near them like shit. (Looking at you DD)
I dont know somehow you mixed up two points... Yes someone has to pay for the servers but that is already happening as it is right now and that has nothing to do with companies wanting more and more profits since that is the Problem here. The servers cost the same if not less as in the years before and I dont think Youtube is struggling with keeping enough spare change to run them... Its just pure greed at this point.
This is entirely speculation, but there's a possibility that all that money spent on ads/marketing aren't translating to returns that were expected. That means pressure on marketing to be more effective. Then the marketing leans on the platforms they are using to be more effective at getting user engagement. This is when YouTube starts requiring more and more user-unfriendly tactics to show proof of engagement so they don't lose ad money. When in reality, with all of this, no matter the marketing strategy, nobody has any money anymore to buy the shit that's being pushed and are probably just getting upset and abstaining from buying the most annoying ads' products. If I see company X push the same thing 25 times in a day, and I can't afford it, I still won't buy it. If I ever can afford it, I probably don't want to buy it later either because I felt like hostage for so long.
The ravenous attempts to squeeze the last of the blood from the stones.
In Google case their looking at all angles to increase profits now. Tech stocks don't just rise based on a concept of far off future revenues anymore. Dickhead CEO's have become emboldend by Musk's actions sadly.
Reddit trying to discover the fediverse tipping point was nice, but Youtube trying to find Peertube's tipping point? oh that's NOICE
It really is one by one the large social media companies make bad decisions and there's a huge migration to a nicer fediverse alternative. I guess the positive side to YouTube doing this is that Peertube will have more people + content
I am thinking of using an alternative to youtube as a backup do you recommend any specific peertube instance?
Thanks. Not quite for snug.moe but I went on there, clicked a video and the bgm they used reminded me of a certain game OST I love. They linked to the source on soundcloud and now I have a massive playlist to look forward to.
I don’t know, but they are probably not going to ban paying customers.
They routinely ban paying customers (email, cloud hosting) and developers that bring in revenue for them through the Play Store.
Assuming these decisions are made by people who even understand what a browser footprint is. After all the people deciding these thing are the same type of people who banned porn from tumbler.
They ban on a browser fingerprint probably, not on the IP, otherwise the whole University which is behind one IP would be blocked at once for example.
IPv6 when?
On a technical standpoint, it wouldn't be hard. If you bought it then they can whitelist your account from any warnings. Will they do that? Idk because trackers are yummy.
I can't answer your question but I can tell you that my ad-free Hulu still required me to whitelist them in my adblocker if I don't want to wait on a blank screen that says "Please turn off your adblocker" for 60-90 seconds per episode. I almost suspect the the "skip ads" function somehow gets blocked along with the ads themselves by the adblocker. Hopefully YT doesn't go this route.
Which is funny because I always preferred the silence
Same, gives me a moment to think.
I wonder whether this will affect people with devices like the Pi-hole in any way. As far as I understand it, Youtube is serving ads to my gateway, and only then they get blackholed, so detecting that I don't see the ads should be more difficult (and probably not worth the effort and resources until Pi-holes and similar devices become the norm).
I think it would still detect you're ad blocking. What you're describing isn't much different than how Brave blocks ads on a browser level. Usually the way they detect ad blocking is they put some piece of information or key in the ads themselves and ask the browser for that key. If it doesn't have it, because the ad is blocked, they can assume you're running an ad blocker. Pi hole not even letting it hit your computer would trigger that.
Idk how the new ads 2.0 system works for chrome though. Sounds like a kernel level ad-key check. Which would be even more reliable for them I assume.
Cat: ...Wait a moment, we're using Ad Nauseam. Which stores the ads and fakes clicks on them.
Lucifer: Would that spoof the key check?
the pi hole works in the opposite direction. your machine is asking for the ip address associated with a dns request, such as youtube.com, and the pi hole decides if it gives you the ip to resolve it, or if it is an ad, it tells your computer that it can't be found.
Ad revenue was the Pandora's Shit Box that has opened up the fall of capitalism. Can i just watch ads all day while i work my shit job instead so I can have a fucking life, Mr Corporation?
Literally got revanced on my phone justa couple hours ago. Feels good!
Sounds like a great way to make people try to bypass it more.
They might actually get me to pay for premium because there's no way I'm watching ads but it's not like I'm not going to try every single trick in the book first and make them really work for my subscribtion. Aftell all I'm still using instagram ad-free aswell.
May I suggest you go premium but purchase in India via a VPN. I have been on Premium for the last 3 years at roughly £13 a year (1299 rupees). All you need is a VPN, and any Indian zip code, you can just pay with your normal credit card.
Thanks for the tip. Already got VPN too.
Use it via browser that has ad-block enabled
I mean as far as I can tell they are striking the account. Realistically that's the only thing they can do. So just don't be logged in and it should be just fine.
Guess it's time to use VPNs for yt now
Hmm. Do you really think so? I don't think so. Reddit's shit hasn't caused a LOT of reduced clicks. Some, but not really. Just goes to show that companies can fuck their creators, and people will stay.
NewPipe is running super-slow for me at the moment, when on my home WiFi. Switch to 4G, and it's super-quick. It's been that way for 3-4 days now.
Guess I better keep a copy of my emails on IMAP...
thanks for using Leebra!
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All these tech companies are really getting bold lately with wildly unpopular decisions to try and raise profits
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