Tried to look at an Amber Alert today

3 years ago by UnmeltedByRain to c/technology

I have a long commute in and out of a large city. Since I spend so much time on the road, I always try to get the details of Amber Alert notifications to be on the lookout for vehicles used in abductions. I guess I can't do that anymore since Twitter requires an account to see Amber Alerts. Hopefully my state finds another platform to post them.

Ech 81 points 3 years ago

I've been constantly amazed at how normalized it's gotten for not only other companies, but for governments, to rely so much on sites like Twitter, Facebook, etc, for essential information like Amber Alerts. Shit like this hopefully makes people more aware of how treacherous it is to rely on corporate services for public services. Maybe the gov will finally institute their own web services for public information (unlikely) or at least enact boundaries on services that have been widely adopted (slight more likely).

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Tamlyn 27 points 3 years ago

The data secure officer of our goverment has build a mastodon server and some official post there. I think more countries should do that. So they don't have to rely on something like Twitter or Facebook. They could do that to reach more people, but with a mastodon instace they could be independent from companies

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XeroxCool 7 points 3 years ago

No one wants to download a government announcement app or go out of their way to check a government website. Twitter worked so well because people already had accounts, it was a widespread platform, and really helped maximize visibility. I don't really blame officials for putting a lot of announcements on Twitter. It was either that or force some kind of app/system alert to get the word out. Yes, right now cell phones get amber alerts and weather warnings, but could you imagine the uproar if every bill vote, every infrastructure project,, every hours change for each relevant government office was beamed straight to every phone? We'd cry out against the invasion of privacy and forced participation. Or worse, if the government ran the primary Twitter-like website to maintain control. We'd call it the protest as if it was the Chinese or North Korean government right at our fingertips. It was an OK solution in my mind until this entire debacle sought to capitalize overnight on a public fuckup

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Ech 16 points 3 years ago

You're right! It would be awful if it was implemented in literally the worst way possible πŸ™„

C'mon dude. I'm obviously not advocating for 1984 style government announcements forcefed into people's eyeballs. Setting up a government only twitter-esque platform wouldn't be that terrible. Hell, with something like Mastadon or Lemmy, it could integrate easily into what people are already using.

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elephantium 8 points 3 years ago

"I don’t really blame officials for putting a lot of announcements on Twitter."

Turn back the calendar a bit, and it was officials giving announcements to be read on the 6:00 news.

And before that, articles being posted in the major newspapers.

And yes, before that, something like town criers.

So yeah, I don't blame them either. The government officials have a purpose, and "building the means for mass communication" isn't it.

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overzeetop 4 points 3 years ago

Indeed - the government should go where the people are, not force them to use some dedicated governmental outlet. Of course, they should be using as many outlets as possible, including their own (for verification if nothing else). Just as announcements go to every major news outlet, they should use as many as possible today. And many do.

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overzeetop 2 points 3 years ago

Indeed - the government should go where the people are, not force them to use some dedicated governmental outlet. Of course, they should be using as many outlets as possible, including their own (for verification if nothing else). Just as announcements go to every major news outlet, they should use as many as possible today. And many do.

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WhoRoger 5 points 3 years ago

But don't you know? They're private companies, you can dictate what they can do! They need to make money! Profits! Responsibility to shareholders! Fuck anything else!

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gerowen 47 points 3 years ago

Not sure about what carrier you use or what device you use, but I'm on AT&T using a Pixel 6a with CalyxOS, which is just de-googled Android, and on Android if you accidentally swipe away an amber alert notification you can find it again by going to:

Settings -> Safety & emergency -> Wireless emergency alerts -> Emergency alert history

But your point still stands, governments and public institutions really need to stop relying on privately owned and operated social media platforms for posting stuff like this. If they want to use a social platform to publish alerts, they would be much better off standing up their own Mastodon instance that is "just" for those alerts. People could follow those accounts if they want, and those institutions wouldn't be subject to the whims of overpaid unpredictable man children.

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betterdeadthanreddit 12 points 3 years ago

Good info, just wanted to add on with instructions for both major mobile platforms. Depending on your specific device and version, there may be some slight differences in how the menu options are worded and you might need to expand a collapsed section in the menu to see the settings.

Source: Google support

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UnmeltedByRain 9 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the tip, I found it in my notification history.

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sbv 38 points 3 years ago

In my jurisdiction, Amber Alerts are delivered by SMS. Using Twitter for police notifications seems bizarre.

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SubjectAlps 18 points 3 years ago

In my area, amber alerts are delivered via Localized Emergency Alerts, and clicking on it takes you to the Highway Patrol Twitter page.

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sbv 7 points 3 years ago

That's crazy.

I was going to say it's crazy that your local police use a private service like Twitter, but I guess the phone companies are a private service too.

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Ryumast3r 5 points 3 years ago

Phone services are required to put out the message though, just like you're able to dial 911 from a phone even if you don't have service (if you're in a covered area).

Twitter is not required.

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UnmeltedByRain 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, but you're right in that phone companies are a public utility, so the government has more say in what they can do.

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UnmeltedByRain 4 points 3 years ago

It does come as a notification, and I ended up finding it in my notification history.

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LollerCorleone 36 points 3 years ago

This is why governments should stop relying on private companies and start setting up their own fediverse servers which they will have full control over.

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zalack 43 points 3 years ago

I didn't even consider the fact that the fediverse offers us the ability to start having publicly owned social media and government-run instances for direct communication.

That could be very interesting...

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blake 17 points 3 years ago

Most governments struggle to manage a website, much less a fediverse instance. It’s a good idea though.

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platysalty 12 points 3 years ago

But at least instead of coding their own awesome website, they just have to spin up an instance using someone else's code....

Yeah okay fine. I can see many ways one can mess this up.

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LollerCorleone -3 points 3 years ago

Various EU agencies have already set up their own Mastodon instances and are pretty active in the fediverse.

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Zed 31 points 3 years ago

I noticed I couldn't see tweets my friend would send me without creating an account, guess I won't be seeing any more tweets.

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rtxn 9 points 3 years ago

You should try if Nitter works.

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MeowdyPardner 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 665504 665755 673216, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Anders429 2 points 3 years ago
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Anders429 1 point 3 years ago
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Anders429 1 point 3 years ago
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Anders429 1 point 3 years ago

From what I can tell, nitter instances are broken too.

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AllYourSmurf 27 points 3 years ago

Twitter's super power was in being a public commons. Now that all tweets are effectively locked behind a login, it's lost that power.

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IHeartBadCode 6 points 3 years ago

Agencies that built around that openness: β€œHow could our reliance on a private entity have backfired on us like this?”

Also those same agencies: β€œDoes anyone know a free private company we can build upon now?”

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WhoRoger 22 points 3 years ago

"Lost your child? Sign in to receive updates about the search!"

(After signing in)

"You've seen too many updates. Watch an ad or subscribe to Blue to keep receiving information on your lost child."

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ManosTheHandsOfFate 9 points 3 years ago

"No chance of finding your child? Check out these great deals on dolls at Amazon.com."

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FiskFisk33 18 points 3 years ago

What the fuck they use twitter for THAT?!

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TwoGems 12 points 3 years ago
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_kato 11 points 3 years ago path: 0 681134, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 2
FlyingSquid 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah... not happening.

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Anders429 5 points 3 years ago

It's hilarious that I tried to click that link, despite not having a Twitter account.

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jmshrv 6 points 3 years ago

Just curious, have you ever found anything mentioned in an amber alert?

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UnmeltedByRain 2 points 3 years ago

Nope. But one time I saw the Oscar Mayer Weinermobile, and I had never seen it before. So it's possible. I end up driving 2 1/2 hours per day, so anything to make things more interesting.

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Son_of_dad 2 points 3 years ago

I saw a 1989 batmobile zip past me once, that shit was cool

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BeMoreCareful 1 point 3 years ago

They used to have the county, type of car and a license plate half the time.

Tbh I've gotten pretty conditioned to ignore them.

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fox 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 666312, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 8
UnmeltedByRain 3 points 3 years ago

I definitely use nitter if I'm posting a Twitter link. But I'm probably too lazy to use it when I'm just clicking someone else's link.

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Flemmy 2 points 3 years ago

Holy shit, thank you... You just made something click for me.

If I replace Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, NYT, and all those other annoying links in just two places, I'll never have to see that crap again. I'm always clicking on interesting posts thoughtlessly just to be hit by a loginwall/paywall... It's not that big a deal, but it would make my life like 2% more pleasant

I already am doing something for Lemmy links because they've been driving me nuts, compared to checking 1000 links, adding a few more will be easy

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Flemmy 1 point 3 years ago

Holy shit, thank you... You just made something click for me.

If I replace Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, NYT, and all those other annoying links in just two places, I'll never have to see that crap again. I'm always clicking on interesting posts thoughtlessly just to be hit by a loginwall/paywall... It's not that big a deal, but it would make my life like 2% more pleasant

I already am doing something for Lemmy links because they've been driving me nuts, compared to checking 1000 links, adding a few more will be easy

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Flemmy 1 point 3 years ago

Holy shit, thank you... You just made something click for me.

If I replace Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, NYT, and all those other annoying links in just two places, I'll never have to see that crap again. I'm always clicking on interesting posts thoughtlessly just to be hit by a loginwall/paywall... It's not that big a deal, but it would make my life like 2% more pleasant

I already am doing something for Lemmy links because they've been driving me nuts, compared to checking 1000 links, adding a few more will be easy

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SpermGoobler 2 points 3 years ago

Nitter seems to be broken because of those twitter changes :/

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MeowdyPardner 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 666312 673039, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
fox 1 point 3 years ago

uh oh.. I didn't realize this is a new change, thanks for the link

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TGRush 2 points 3 years ago

Nitter won't work with new posts as it has started scraping from the web interface - which now requires an account.

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TwoGems 3 points 3 years ago
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Usernameblankface 1 point 3 years ago

Amber alerts go out through tweets? I thought they were their own separate push notification.

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BaldProphet 1 point 3 years ago

In my state (California), the Amber Alerts contain a short URL to a tweet by the highway patrol with the details.

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Entropywins 1 point 3 years ago

What a terrible idea... in Oregon they just text the relevant information to you

I went and checked and they had a link for CHP which looked like it took you to a website...well it did but it just went straight to twitter...I could understand supplementing a state website with Twitter updates but for that to be the sole source of info I can find is just stupid.

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taurentipper 1 point 3 years ago

Couldn't agree more!

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BeAware -17 points 3 years ago
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banksymimosa 19 points 3 years ago

Twitter, just today, started forcing login to see all tweets. So it's relevant and timely.

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bg10k 11 points 3 years ago

Yeah, if you ignore the piece of technology receiving a technological message from another piece of technology which you then view on the piece of technology, I guess there is no technology involved

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UnmeltedByRain 3 points 3 years ago

You might be right...I tried to search for a Twitter community, but it doesn't exist here yet apparently.

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