In my earlier days of running Linux

3 years ago by kinther to c/linuxmemes

animist 45 points 3 years ago

Lol this is still me after 20 years of using linux

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GhostsAreShitty 5 points 3 years ago

Right? Decades of Linux use, been a Linux admin for half of it. Still reinstall when I'm not happy with the way things are going. It's just faster.

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animist 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah fedora screwed up TODAY so I'm just reinstalling

And running into issues encrypting my swap so wishing I had just tried to solve the problem :p

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Bishma 21 points 3 years ago

This was me back when I disto hopped. Screwing something up was really just an excuse to try something new.

Now I'm I'm in a comfortable rut, but after recently having to set up a new machine from scratch NixOS is starting to look tempting.

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happyhippo 1 point 3 years ago

Opensuse TW cured my distrohopping more than 1 year ago.

Nix is the only distro that's tempting me...

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lunicoDee 1 point 3 years ago

Sorry just test it inside vms, or even install it in a partition that you can then delete. You can even try nix just by installing the package manager

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lhx 15 points 3 years ago

This was the way. Then you find Debian.

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Dosage9321 15 points 3 years ago
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Tankton 2 points 3 years ago

I work with linux daily, work in IT. Often I just do this as well. Aint got time and energy to fix something while a reinstall takes a fraction of the time

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Merulox 13 points 3 years ago

I switch distro once I start feeling that my current installation is too bloated and requires a heavy cleaning

Which is why I switched to nixos, so that I can’t bloat my system up with packages I eventually forget about

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Klaymore 9 points 3 years ago

NixOS is so incredibly stable it's crazy. Even if my entire computer implodes I can just download my couple config files off github and get exactly the same system on a different computer.

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copylefty 6 points 3 years ago

I'm going to try Nix as my desktop OS. The only thing stopping me up until now is I like running the same OS that I run on servers (Debian). Do you think there's a good use case for Nix on servers?

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Klaymore 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah NixOS is great for servers, since you're able to configure everything through the NixOS configs. Like if you want nginx you just add services.nginx.enable = true and similarly set the different virtualHosts and everything. That way your nginx configuration is stored in the same place as your system configuration, which can all be backed up with Git, and you can see everything running on your system and their configuration by just looking through your NixOS config.

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copylefty 2 points 3 years ago

That's very interesting. I use ansible to maintain configuring on my Debian services. I guess there'd be no need when running Nix

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dmrzl 4 points 3 years ago

Well, you still need to backup and restore your persistent drive, but that's trivial too.

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Klaymore 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah, I use Impermanence and all my important things and dotfiles are synced between my devices. Other stuff is just games and stuff I can reinstall anytime.

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Puffymumpkins 13 points 3 years ago
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reddit_sux 12 points 3 years ago

Cool you did backups

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jeansibelius 11 points 3 years ago

I reinstalled Linux when it crashes, or used Timeshift for years, but at this time I learned totally nothing.

Then I tried Arch manual installation, and it changes my mind.

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Justas 10 points 3 years ago

have / on one partition and /home on another, when reinstalling, reformat or reuse / and set the other as /home again. Worked very well when I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro last week when Ubuntu refused to boot up for me for no obvious reason.

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JasonDJ 9 points 3 years ago

Honesty just make /home a different partition.

Has saved me so much trouble in changing distros on my laptop.

I’ve settled pretty well on Fedora at this point but that’ll probably change at some point (mostly because I don’t like Ubuntu much and I work in a mostly RHEL shop)

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JoshuaQuest 1 point 3 years ago

This is exactly what I have done on my personal installs. Saves so much time when there is a problem or when you just feel like distro hopping.

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PCChipsM922U 9 points 3 years ago

BTRFS is your friend guys and gals ☺️.

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TwiddleTwaddle 4 points 3 years ago

I switched to BTRFS recently, but found myself even more fucked when my system stopped working suddenly and I didn't know how to fix it without reformatting and installing grub again. Actually lost even more than I would have otherwise just because I wasn't knowledgeable enough to get any form of recovery to work. That first EndeavourOS install didn't last 2 months sadly.

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PCChipsM922U 5 points 3 years ago

Yep, everyone goes through that the first 2 or 3 installs, until you learn how CoW FSes work. It's not like anything else and it takes a while to master it, but once you learn how to use it, you don't reinstall ever again, just roll back snapshots 😉.

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hibby 2 points 3 years ago

Snapshots 4 life

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PCChipsM922U 1 point 3 years ago

Mhm, pretty much. I haven't reinstalled since I started using snapshots.

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rikudou 2 points 3 years ago

I had that on my phone some ten years ago. Ah, the memories. It sucked, though.

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PCChipsM922U 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, BTRFS sucked 10 years ago 😂. Try it now, it's much more stable.

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atomic 2 points 3 years ago

Yup. Being able to run my home and root(s) in separate subvolumes, and simply booting into a specific root with a kernel parameter.. 😌

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GenderNeutralBro 1 point 3 years ago

My favorite part of using Suse was Snapper.

My least favorite part was needing to use it every time they shipped a kernel update because it broke the Nvidia drivers. Eventually I just pinned my kernel version but it didn't feel sustainable so I swapped back to Ubuntu, which at least in theory tests against the supported drivers. Ubuntu has its own issues so I'll probably swap again next time my system needs surgery.

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Shit 1 point 3 years ago
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PCChipsM922U 2 points 3 years ago

Meeh, anything that is CoW and has snapshots will do the job, ZFS or BTRFS, whatever rocks your boat 🤷.

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Shit 2 points 3 years ago
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PCChipsM922U 1 point 3 years ago

It's being used in Meta 🤨... in production.

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emi 9 points 3 years ago

You give that up that strategy and lean into fixing shit when you put the time in to customize the OS and desktop/window manager experience... at that point you should understand your system well enough to make fixing it easier, and you are also afraid of having to redo some of your customization. That being said, you still should make regular system backups, especially if you are tinkering with the OS experience a lot.

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dmrzl 1 point 3 years ago

If you are afraid of redoing your customizations you are using the wrong distro.

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VinesNFluff 1 point 3 years ago

It's not about being afraid.

Customizing takes time and effort, which I'd rather use like.

Doing stuff?

Unless I want to re-customize it to be something else, I'd rather not re-make my entire set-up. I figured out what the relevant files were to how my whole set-up (DE look & behaviour, dotfiles for like fish and nvim) and copied it all to a USB Drive that I just drop onto my home folder whenever I install my OS on a new computer.

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dmrzl 2 points 3 years ago

Yes, but recreation of any customization takes minutes if you use the correct distribution.

For example my root and home are on a tmpfs and therefore get deleted on every boot. Recreating every file in my system is done every boot, so reinstalling == booting (pretty much, partitioning is still manual).

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VinesNFluff 1 point 3 years ago

(why do you do that, though?)

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emi 1 point 3 years ago

Heavy disagree… why pick between distros when you can build an environment unlike others, that fits your personal needs/wants.

One of the best parts about Linux is this freedom. If you don’t care about this freedom you should probably just be on windows. If you want something different in your Linux, alter it, don’t distro hop.

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EuroNutellaMan 3 points 3 years ago

Idk. I think this only applies to power users or people who are willing to learn how to do things. If someone doesn't want that, then distrohopping can be a convenient way to get a system you like more. And of course there's also those that don't care at all and just want something that works which shouldn't stay on windows they should just use Linux Mint imo (there are many distros aimed at them and most are good but I would just recommend Mint csuse if you give them too much choice they won't bother and stay on windows).

Basically I would just tell newbies "there's 3 main distros (Debian/Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora (tho I guess the rpm one could also be openSUSE now given what's happening with RHEL)), every other one is usually just a version of those 3 with different things preinstalled to make your life easier at the start."

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emi 1 point 3 years ago

If a noob doesn't want to get into the weeds but still is interested in say the arch community, I would aim them at Manjaro or a more friendly arch distro... If they want to get into the weeds, any distro + customization.

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Tired8281 9 points 3 years ago

When I decided to switch to Fedora, I wanted a safety net. I had a 500GB SSD, so I bought an additional 2TB SSD, so I could make full disk image backups and be able to store 3 of them (I used full disk encryption, so my disk image backups were the full 500GB). And I dutifully made backups, either monthly, before I made a big change, or before a major update. Been doing this for nearly two years now and I haven't used a single backup image even once. It's almost disappointing, in a perverse sort of way. I was looking forward to having to learn stuff by fixing things that break, but nothing ever does!

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witx 9 points 3 years ago
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gunpachi 9 points 3 years ago

The fresh feeling of a reinstall lasts for about a week.

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Diabolo96 9 points 3 years ago

Backup. Fuck it. Learn . Fix. Repeat ad nauseam .

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CIWS-30 8 points 3 years ago

Ah, the Windows approach. The few times I worked with PC Repair shops, backing up everything and reinstalling the OS was the go to for most "repairs". Especially since it was faster and cheaper than just researching all the issues and repairing them the "right" way. Although to be fair, if the OS is borked enough, backup + reinstall IS the right way.

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Bruncvik 8 points 3 years ago

Reinstall? Nah... I have a bunch of virtual machines, which I set up and customised the way I like. Then I back them up. Use a VM for a few months, back up personal data (if any), delete them, copy from backup, power up, install latest updates and go with it again. Depending on their function, I keep the VM for longer (gaming instance) or shorter (Internet/office) periods before replacing them. That's become just basic computer hygiene for me.

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wuddupdude 4 points 3 years ago

Wow I think I want to do this too. Can I ask which hypervisor you use? And, can you get gaming performance in a VM like you can on bare metal?

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Bruncvik 2 points 3 years ago

Actually, I'm using Type-2, regularly three VM images (not at the same time). The Internet/Office is the recent Mint version (Cinnamon; I just like the interface). The gaming VM for "modern" games is also Mint. For older gaming, I actually use a Win98SE image.

To explain the gaming: I almost exclusively play adventure games and turn-based strategies. For TBS, the replay value is very high, so I'm still happy with somewhat old titles, such as Heroes of Might and Magic II and III, Microprose strategies or Stars!. I found Win98SE to be the OS where most of them run best. Adventure games don't have such a high replay value, but there's a steady stream of new ones (via GOG) that usually work in Mint as well. As a result, I don't feel the need for a type-1 hypervisor, and can't tell how performant the games would be on bare metal.

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bappity 8 points 3 years ago

me running it on hyper v and reverting to a clean install snapshot the moment I write one command slightly wrong

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UnfortunateShort 7 points 3 years ago

Do a snapshot and roll back. Actually faster and easier.

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kinther 5 points 3 years ago

This was in the long long ago, grasshopper. We did bare metal installations back in the day.

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mojo 2 points 3 years ago

Assuming you can pinpoint the moment things went all fucky

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xaxl 6 points 3 years ago

If you have a separate /home and backed up your data.. well why shouldn't I?

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arensb 5 points 3 years ago

Then there's the cloud: "Oh, crap. I have a typo in a config file. I guess I'll destroy the machine and set up a whole new one!"

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iqthegoat 5 points 3 years ago

mostly happens with Ubuntu. i don't know if iam built to crash it but i always tend to break it. i have been using fedora nobara for the last couple of month and i didn't break it once

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z500 1 point 3 years ago

I managed to get it to start uninstalling my desktop. I just went back to Windows for my daily driver lol. Maybe if I didn't panic and hit ctrl-C it would have reinstalled newer versions or something?

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influence1123 5 points 3 years ago

Used to end up doing that like once a month.

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kratoz29 5 points 3 years ago

The Windows way.

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Sinthoras39 3 points 3 years ago

I once deleted my windows bootloader so even the "consumer windows" is not safe from us

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PlebsicleMcGee 5 points 3 years ago

Since getting a NAS I now think of everything else as volatile storage

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kaea 5 points 3 years ago

Now I just run suse tumbleweed with snapshots and if anything breaks I just recover from snapshot.

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Leer10 4 points 3 years ago

With the exception of my home data, this is why I switched to Fedora Silverblue. I got past the experimental phase and just wanted a linux that would work without thoughts

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killallq 4 points 3 years ago
  1. rm -rf /*
  2. ???
  3. profit
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GallantTheKnight 4 points 3 years ago

Being able to easily and freely upgrade, experiment, and reinstall is one of the big perks of Linux. Carry on.

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ivyZorz 4 points 3 years ago

I’m on Unraid now and have most of my services migrated to docker containers but on my previous build, I was just running Ubuntu Server a majority of the time.

I got a little scared thinking about all of the manual configuration I’ve done over time to this build and knew that if I needed to reinstall I’d essentially be fucked.

Like what tf is a fstab again?

So I took a few hours to learn Ansible and wrote a playbook that could configure my build nearly 100% in just one click. Changed the game.

If anyone knows of something similar with Unraid configs let me know bc I really did enjoy the ansible process

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Seahelicopter6302 4 points 3 years ago

I use timeshift and it has saved my ass quite a few times!

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kcilc 4 points 3 years ago

I haven't properly dotfilesed all of my rice yet, so I'm just hoping l don't break something until I get that sorted.

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veng 4 points 3 years ago

Timeshift makes all the difference, no more panicking after breaking something.

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sil3ntki11 4 points 3 years ago

I've reinstalled so many times...

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delayed06 4 points 3 years ago

As a noob, I wonder what would be the right way to do it?

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Stelus42 2 points 3 years ago

Bro its so easy, simply have 5 years of linux experience. Legit tho I've been trying linux out for a long time and the only computer I really try to repair instead of reinstalling is my server, cuz I don't remotely remember how I set that thing up in the first place.

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MATTLADexe 4 points 3 years ago

Early days? I do this even today if I don't have enough skills to fix it.

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BlueDepth9279 4 points 3 years ago

This is still the way! Gives me an excuse to change my distro.

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PrivateOnions 3 points 3 years ago
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ekky43 3 points 3 years ago

It didn't happen THAT often before, but as a previous Windows user and restore point fan, Timeshift was a game changer. Don't have to tread lightly anymore. :D

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average650 3 points 3 years ago

I'm sure that timeshift has saved me more hours of sleep and dealing with crap than every other piece of software combined.

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rikudou 1 point 3 years ago

Does it work with docker? I remember there were some screw-ups with docker and the author of Timeshift basically said "Docker's fault, not gonna fix that".

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ekky43 1 point 3 years ago

I'm honestly not sure, never tried using it inside Docker. But, I haven't faced any problems running it with Docker + compose installed and active in the background, everything (including Docker containers) seems to come up just fine after a system restore.

Obviously, I can't guarantee that there exist no edge cases or problems that I simply have not encountered yet. I'm mostly using it for my personal computer (development) and webserver (dockerized servers, VPN, Jenkins).

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rikudou 1 point 3 years ago

I don't mean inside docker, it used to have trouble with just docker being present, it was no edge case. Glad that it's no longer the case.

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BlueDepth9279 3 points 3 years ago

This is still the way! Gives me an excuse to change my distro.

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Scridgeon 3 points 3 years ago

I feel this. I used to do it all the time when I first got into Linux. Immutable distros will make this a non-issue.

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Merulox 3 points 3 years ago
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Dandroid 3 points 3 years ago

Literally this morning I started getting boot errors. It is telling me WBM can't find the boot file. But I should be booting into grub, so idk what to do. My boot order is Ubuntu, then USB. And that's it. And now I'm out of the house all day and can't do anything but sweat about it.

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Prologue7642 3 points 3 years ago

Sounds like Windows rewrote boot manager. It likes to do that sometimes. Basically your only choice is taking live USB booting into it and reinstalling grub.

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Dandroid 3 points 3 years ago

This is likely what happened. I think I'm gonna format the Windows SSD attached to the server (old install) and reinstall grub. Tomorrow, I guess. :(

Edit: Now that I've had a moment to think, I realized that I deleted grub. It was on another SSD that I wiped. It was on the SSD that my old OS was on that I wasn't using anymore. But my actual Linux install came from another computer. So when I dropped it in what became my server, I installed grub manually on the old SSD (which has now been wiped) to boot to my Linux SSD.

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morain 3 points 3 years ago

Oh, for the days of constant distro-hopping ...

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Electronium 3 points 3 years ago

I don't have many spare devices to do backups so I started using Fedora Kionite. I highly recommend installing ublue if anyone uses Silverblue/Kionite.

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iconic_admin 3 points 3 years ago

That’s how the pros do it.

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candle_lighter 2 points 3 years ago

Broke my ZorinOS install by trying to upgrade parts of the OS by myself so I could run newer software and lived like that for months until I gave up and switched to Fedora

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const_void 2 points 3 years ago

Reinstalling is Windows (and sometimes macOS) logic. On Linux just fix whatever it is and move on.

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namelivia 2 points 3 years ago

This was me back in the days when breaking anything xorg related

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janus2 2 points 3 years ago

me whose samsung laptop will only reliably boot with kubuntu:
:(

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kittyrunningnoise 2 points 3 years ago

can't say I've ever done this. better to figure out why it's broken and fix it so that the next time I encounter that kinda problem, I can fix it quickly.

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p_consti 2 points 3 years ago

Have a friend who still does this. Every so often he'll notice that something is missing from a previous reinstall and we have to take a second to bring his system back on track

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camasii 2 points 3 years ago

This is precisely the hampster wheel that felt like it led me to osx.

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ls64 2 points 3 years ago

earlier days? this was me last week after failing miserably to install poetry 4 times in a row and destroying my python environment.

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MaliciousKebab 2 points 3 years ago

If you just want to get shit done sure just reinstall and you are good to go, but I see these issues as a learning opportunity and I have tons of free time so I try and fix my system for hours on end. Also it rarely breaks so not much time is wasted.

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Pe4rl 2 points 3 years ago

Reminds me, that I want to "fix" my install.

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Marxine 2 points 3 years ago

Considering I'd rather not spend the weekend troubleshooting stuff when I have my house to clean before returning to work on Monday, and a simple backup > reinstall will take me less than 6h at most (counting all customization and etc), I'll take a full reinstall any time.

Edit: Oh, now I reread that's about the early days. Would do the same though.

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MashingBundle 2 points 3 years ago

Hey, at least we have the option to fix things. My poor Windows friends end up reinstalling multiple times a year due to unfixable issues and bugs.

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Foliik 2 points 3 years ago

This is the way

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sharkfucker420 2 points 3 years ago

Me rn frfr

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PrivateOnions 1 point 3 years ago
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atretador 1 point 3 years ago

Wait isn't this the standard? Debugging can take hours, but it takes like 5min to reinstall

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Pingu 1 point 3 years ago

and I end up installing a different distro everytime, that's why still new to linux, finally trying to settle in arch. :/

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veng 1 point 3 years ago
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PrivateOnions 1 point 3 years ago
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PrivateOnions 1 point 3 years ago
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donut4ever 1 point 3 years ago

I normally troubleshoot for an hour or so. After that, I'm reinstalling. Fuck this shit 😂

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spittingimage -3 points 3 years ago

I still think that's a legitimate troubleshooting strategy. 😆

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Community rules (click to expand)

1. Follow the site-wide rules
2. Be civil
  • Understand the difference between a joke and an insult.
  • Do not harrass or attack users for any reason. This includes using blanket terms, like "every user of thing".
  • Don't get baited into back-and-forth insults. We are not animals.
  • Leave remarks of "peasantry" to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the thing you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.
  • Bigotry of any kind will not be tolerated. This is an LGBTQ+-friendly community -- if that is a problem for you, you should leave.
3. Post Linux-related content
  • Including Unix and BSD.
  • Non-Linux content is acceptable as long as it makes a reference to Linux. For example, the poorly made mockery of sudo in Windows.
  • No porn, no politics, no trolling or ragebaiting.
  • Don't come looking for advice, this is not the right community.
4. No recent reposts
  • Everybody uses Arch btw, can't quit Vim, <loves / tolerates / hates> systemd, and wants to interject for a moment. You can stop now.
5. 🇬🇧 Language/язык/Sprache
  • This is primarily an English-speaking community. 🇬🇧🇦🇺🇺🇸
  • Comments written in other languages are allowed.
  • The substance of a post should be comprehensible for people who only speak English.
  • Titles and post bodies written in other languages will be allowed, but only as long as the above rule is observed.
6. (NEW!) Regarding public figures

We all have our opinions, and certain public figures can be divisive. Keep in mind that this is a community for memes and light-hearted fun, not for airing grievances or leveling accusations.

  • Keep discussions polite and free of disparagement.
  • We are never in possession of all of the facts. Defamatory comments will not be tolerated.
  • Discussions that get too heated will be locked and offending comments removed.

 

Please report posts and comments that break these rules!


Important: never execute code or follow advice that you don't understand or can't verify, especially here. The word of the day is credibility. This is a meme community -- even the most helpful comments might just be shitposts that can damage your system. Be aware, be smart, don't remove France.

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