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Candelestine 202 points 3 years ago

Put it on a smaller Instance, based out of a location where this law does not exist.

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SwallowsDick 48 points 3 years ago

Beauty of the fediverse

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BrikoX 84 points 3 years ago

It really depends on the instance and their own rules. Some might allow it, while others wouldn't. It would definetely need to be aggressively moderated to avoid promoting any illegal sales, etc.

Only admins of the various instances can really clarify this.

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assembly 50 points 3 years ago

I think the purpose of the dark net markets is specifically to enable illegal purchases

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BrikoX 45 points 3 years ago

Talking about and actively promoting it are 2 different things. Also not everything sold there is illegal.

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pancakes 11 points 3 years ago

I think it could be considered promoting if people are actively linking and sharing. Not to say it shouldn't be created, but that's probably grounds for a lot of instances to defederating (whether that's a good or bad thing).

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BrikoX 8 points 3 years ago

It would definetely be a tight balance, but it's possible.

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assembly 9 points 3 years ago

I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused. I’m thinking either all Lemmy and kbin instances would need a local tor router or it would need a frontend proxy address.

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Sl00k 3 points 3 years ago

Someone on one of the privacy communities were talking about a tor hosted Lemmy ~week ish ago and said a few people were working on getting one up. Not sure on the specifics though.

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assembly 2 points 3 years ago

I wonder if an instance can be created with an onion address and federated. It wouldn’t have to be JUST dark net market stuff but could also be anyone super privacy focused.

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DrQuint 50 points 3 years ago

So, personally, I don't want to be even close to that stuff, because I've seen the damages the undernet can do.

But, far from me to be the voice of censorship. I haven't pirated a single game or book in years, and yet, I actively follow scene news, and talked with others about stuff like Z-Library, clearly on the side in favor of the pirates.

So, exercising what empathy I think appropriate, I think the very last thing you want to do is ask for permission. Because others might not give it to you, no matter the legality of your intents. Specially if you openly say it revolves "contraband".

Go find an instance specifically made for people who do want to talk that stuff, and others will defederate from you when they notice it. The dream of a single platform that allows it like Reddit used to is gone, but multi-accounting is a thing. You shouldn't even be making this thread, you will just give the issue attention and spread the word to your peers that Lemmy isn't an option. Attention was how the gore and violent porn and the loli lemmies got so swiftly removed, which is a stark contrast to how reddit operated (something something spez and jailbait). But they're still there (probably). Just not searchable from here or lemmynsfw.

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Willer 24 points 3 years ago

ive seen the damages the undernet can do.

Reminds me i gotta get new swimming trunks before vacation

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Cevilia 31 points 3 years ago
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manitcor 30 points 3 years ago path: 0 752254, hotness: undefined, score: 30, children: 3
cyanarchy 8 points 3 years ago

I second this, dbzer0 might be willing to entertain a community dedicated to this kind of thing.

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Nollij 19 points 3 years ago

If anything, DB0 probably shouldn't. Only break 1 law at a time. Rights-holders would love to use anti-terrorism, anti-drug, or whatever other laws to take down a piracy site

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cyanarchy 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah, those are very good concerns, and in his position (I understand the instance is named after it's admin), I would be wary. But he pays the operating costs and he opens himself to liability, which means the decision is his to make. I can only say it's the one instance I know of that seems to be leaning into the spirit of self-determination through self-hosting.

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peter 24 points 3 years ago

I don't think lemmy is supposed to be a home for illegal things but I imagine an individual instance can do whatever they want

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drzoidberg 21 points 3 years ago

I was promised the fediverse was a lawless place where we could discuss whatever we wanted. What I'm now hearing is that I'll need to find somewhere else to discuss my plans for genetically engineered mice, one with a 9th level genius, and the other somewhat insane?

This is bullshit and I demand a refund!

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svh01973 4 points 3 years ago

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

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Willer 3 points 3 years ago

Number one mistake when doing shit: asking NPCs for approval.

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rimlogger 15 points 3 years ago
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muddybulldog 19 points 3 years ago

Lemmy may be niche but it’s extremely easy to monitor. There’s a fine line between discussion and facilitation. It’s all a matter of how risk adverse you are.

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AlternActive 8 points 3 years ago

Discussion on a topic is not illegal imo. If anything it's actuallly good, as if you're gonna do something anyway, it's best to have information on it.

Abstinence or lack of sex-ed doesn't solve anything. The war on drugs solved nothing. Information saves lifes.

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luthis 20 points 3 years ago

You'll have to check instances for rules and see if one already exists on https://lemmyverse.net (I wasn't able to find one with tor, dark, darkweb, so maybe you'll need to create the community.)

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SexualMastadon 11 points 3 years ago

This makes me wonder: how could governments police the Fediverse? With Reddit they could just threaten the company, but what are they going to do with Lemmy? Threaten whoever hosts the instance?

I’m guessing that’s why people are recommending finding an instance that isn’t USA based.

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rimlogger 10 points 3 years ago
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daniskarma 7 points 3 years ago

Basically. Instance administrator is responsible for what they host, and they must follow the law of were it's host (and maybe the countries of their users, if they are European for instance).

If you are hosting something too illegal and draw attention they may block your IP, fine you or even raid the server location.

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bilb 11 points 3 years ago

For what purpose? To plan and discuss criminal acts in the open?

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Rolder 4 points 3 years ago

From my understanding, the criminal acts wouldn’t be on the lemmy instance, rather it’d be discussing what other tor sites are (relatively) safe to use for said criminal acts

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bilb 3 points 3 years ago

As an FBI agent myself, I'm legally required to tell you that FBI agents will tell you to use compromised sellers

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Rolder 2 points 3 years ago

That’s fair. Well, there aren’t any illegal goods im interested in anyway so no problems here!

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norgur 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah... Don't write down your crimes for crying out loud!

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loudWaterEnjoyer 8 points 3 years ago

Your crimes for crying out loud

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Dr_Cog 3 points 3 years ago

Right this way to your jail cell

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zouden 1 point 3 years ago

To discuss which markets are safe to use.

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RecursiveParadox 8 points 3 years ago

I agree this would not be a good look for young Lemmy but...

...not all dark websites and not all dark markets are for illegal or immoral things. I'm on a darknet discussion board because the people on it want to be able to speak freely among friends since some of them are public figures or in positions where they should watch what they say in public. No crazy right wing stuff (we are all big soft lefties).

More importantly, some people rely on, or may find themselves seeking out, dark markets to get medications they legit need but for whatever reason cannot legally or easily get.

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Willer 6 points 3 years ago

Just tell me what automatic do you want ill hook you up

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solrize 3 points 3 years ago

GM Turbo-Hydramatic 400 please. Man those things were indestructable. Sadly the dark net is the only place you can find them now.

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Willer 2 points 3 years ago

Very well that will be 1 billion

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cyanarchy 2 points 3 years ago

Aren't those the ones that have one gearing and just jump the RPMs up by rotating the vanes or something? All torque converter and no gearbox? Sorry if I'm way off base, I possess only approximate knowledge of many things.

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solrize 2 points 3 years ago

It had gears but yeah it was fluidically controlled like all automatics of that era. There is plenty of info online about it. Even Rolls Royce bought them from GM and used them in their cars.

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cyanarchy 1 point 3 years ago

Oh I have no doubt it must have been a step forward in the development of hydraulics in transmissions, you need only look at the black magic box that is modern slush-automatics to see that. Unfortunately my knowledge of anything I haven't worked on myself (and that's a very, very limited window of experience) comes down largely to pop-culture and meme content. I'm fairly certain Regular Car Reviews discussed a car with that transmission and what you get is more of a piss-take than a true walk through the operating principles.

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Rhoeri 6 points 3 years ago

Please don’t bring that shit here.

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DestroyerOfWorlds 5 points 3 years ago

Strt?!

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PastaTrees 3 points 3 years ago

Fuckin skids..

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KreekyBonez 2 points 3 years ago

buncha degens

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peyotecosmico 5 points 3 years ago

I think this answers your question: pirate D&D books

I guess depends of the admin, need to ask them.

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SilentStorms 4 points 3 years ago

Probably not a good idea, unless you could somehow set up an onion instance. Dread is already a thing for that anyway.

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rimlogger 5 points 3 years ago
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SilentStorms 2 points 3 years ago

Maybe a community around how to get set up with tor, and basics of opsec and that sort of thing would be ok. I think talkinging about markets themselves and the products you get there is playing with fire, set them up to get to Dread, and have them take it from there.

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nothacking 3 points 3 years ago

Check the rules of your istance, or host your own. Nothing is banned lemmy wide, although if things get bad enough, other instances will defederate you, preventing your instances posts from showing up in feeds. (this already happened to a lot of nazi filled instances) TLDR: if you can find or host an instance that is ok with it, yes. However others have no obligation to participate

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throwkpo 3 points 3 years ago

Yep, also can we bring back nsfw deepfakes or stable diffusion nsfw communities? Is there anything already out there?

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rimlogger 1 point 3 years ago
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Sir_Kevin 0 points 3 years ago

There are several NSFW AI communities but I don't believe there are currently any for deep fakes.

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tr00st 3 points 3 years ago

The most interesting part of this personally is the murky nature of "hosting" in the fediverse. This sort of thing could happen, bit I think it's likely to lead to defederation. Content is easily argued as being "hosted" on any instance where that content ends up getting viewed. As such, anything of dubious legality is a surefire way to have site admins refuse to associate with you.

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Jackolantern 2 points 3 years ago

I hope not

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WarPony 1 point 3 years ago

What a capital idea!

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