I would imagine convictions related to espionage would probably strip you of any secret service protection. People argue that it's a former president's right to have SS protection, but remember the SS hasn't always been about protecting anyone, the used to only be counterfeit currency police
That post seems to be missing.
Brunbrun6766 54 points 3 years ago
itty53 73 points 3 years ago
I think at this stage removing it would be equivalent to tattooing "assassinate me" on his forehead.
Look I hate the guy too and he doesn't deserve his freedom, but there's a large number of people in this world who would love to merc a former POTUS regardless of who that POTUS is or what they did. And frankly Trump is more dangerous as a martyr than he is alive and alone on house arrest for the rest of his life.
Edit, dead he can't speak for himself anymore, alive all he does is bury himself further every time he opens his mouth. Let him. Let him babble incoherently into obscurity. My father in law was full on MAGA and just last week he called Trump "fucking retarded" off-handedly. My wife and I both felt relief instantly. The dude is losing all but the extreme fringe.
ewe 19 points 3 years ago
Yeah, ideal solution is that the SS detail remains intact and he just goes to jail and the SS just deals with it. I've heard that solitary is a good way to protect inmates when a substantial number of other inmates want to do them harm. Just sayin'
rustyspoon 12 points 3 years ago
Solitary confinement is inhumane and should be illegal.
Also we're kidding ourselves if we don't think he'll get put in the most safe, cushy prison imaginable (assuming he's charged)
DocMcStuffin 6 points 3 years ago
You know he's a narcissist. A narcissist needs to be the center of attention. Putting him in solitary would be a fate worst than death. It would be his own personal hell. 😂
takeda 13 points 3 years ago
I think if it comes down to president going to jail the secret service benefit should be waived. It's not that hard to keep the protection, just don't commit crimes. We are living in a country that supposed to have one law that applies to everyone. Having people being treated differently, because of who they are is what Russia has.
rustyspoon 21 points 3 years ago
Having people treated differently to achieve equal outcomes is what we strive for. When it's shown that minorities are discriminated against in hiring, people suggest affirmative action to level the playing field. When somebody is asked to testify again dangerous people, they're put in witness protection to be afforded the same security as any average citizen.
When somebody carries a unique cultural status, such that they would surely be killed if left to their own devices, that person is given protection to ensure that they live, and aren't handed a death sentence without trial. That's not what Russia does. Really, one could argue that "not letting a political figure get assassinated" is the exact opposite of what Russia does.
MercuryUprising 4 points 3 years ago
One might even say it's well regarded
Ataraxia 2 points 3 years ago
I mean his following doesn't have the best attention span they'll just move on to the next guy. Just hope seeing this mega-criminal actually punished will discourage others from attempting the same power grab but who knows...
itty53 6 points 3 years ago
Thing is the next guy can't actually invigorate them because it's DeSantis. Or Ted Cruz, whom I suspect will actually end up with the nomination. DeSantis is a shitbag but he's entirely lacking in the crowd pleasing department. MAGA diehards are all that's left and they hate him already. Then there's Cruz, who will be a direct opposite to that brand - trying to sell himself as a moderate. Real hard to get people excited about that, and they've spent a decade or more undercutting that exact platform. Plus he's Ted Cruz. Dude is a total loser to every side.
The brand of ego maniac that creates a Trump isn't common enough for Republicans to just spin up a new one. We've watched them try time and again the last 8 years and it's laughable how badly it goes for them. I disdain Trump but I can recognize that aspect clearly. The guy was massively and mainstream popular for decades prior to his presidency across multiple, huge platforms. He was already a household name, no one had to ask who he was. That's what it took.
Republicans know it too, it's why they've still been backing him and not going on the direct offensive - yet.
cumbersomegod 12 points 3 years ago
From what I can gather, the Former Presidents Act mandates lifetime protection for all former presidents unless they were removed from office under Article II. So the only current way for Trump to lose Secret Service protection would be for him to decline it.
Brunbrun6766 5 points 3 years ago
Or amendment of the act? Laws can and should change, that's how government grows
cumbersomegod 6 points 3 years ago
Yeah, Congress could always change the law, though I doubt the current one would. I'm just saying that there's no current provision for revoking protection for a former president unless they were removed from office under Article II.
mustyOrange 3 points 3 years ago
Im now imagining Trump in the prison yard wearing an orange suit with suited up body guards. For real though, maybe they can just hire new security guards from the inmate population. Okay, for real for real, I have no clue what would actually happen lol
Stoneykins 3 points 3 years ago
Me neither, I've been wondering this for years now. What does a trump arrest look like? We will have to see one to know.
gogozero 8 points 3 years ago
someone with presidential-level knowledge and no protection would be a prime target for abduction. trump would dump everything he knew at the first mention of torture, or maybe if he was just slipped a $20.
notun 4 points 3 years ago
The Secret Service being tasked with protection of president et al. is written into law, so it literally is their current right. The original purpose doesn't really matter.
But obviously it should be stripped away for treason etc.
TechyDad 9 points 3 years ago
Remember that they only get their information from pro-Trump sources. Imagine if you didn't listen to anything but FOX News, OANN, Newsmax, and the like. All the "news sources" you listened to told you that this was a witch hunt and that anyone who disagreed was a traitor to this country.
You'd likely wind up shouting about Trump's innocence and how this was all political retribution.
They're wrong when they say this, of course, but the root cause is a refusal to listen to anyone who tells them a contrary position.
TechyDad 4 points 3 years ago
My proposal has been house arrest at Mar-A-Lago with a twist:
First of all, no visitors. That includes no members allowed to come stay at Mar-A-Lago. Not even Trump's family. Mar-A-Lago can refund any membership fees because Trump will be the only resident allowed besides Secret Service and security guards hired by the feds.
Secondly, Mar-A-Lago is taken over by the federal government. Trump could owe fines as well as prison time and this could help pay the US back. (This also means he can't charge the Secret Service to stay in his club.)
Third, Trump's movements are highly restricted. He's confined to a small guest bedroom (not his normal one) for most of the day. He's allowed out for meals and 1 hour of "exercise" a day. Obviously, smartphones/computers/social media are NOT allowed at all.
Finally, Mar-A-Lago gets a downgrade. Trump doesn't get a cushy bed, but whatever a standard prison bed would be. He doesn't get his normal meals, but whatever slop the prison food service cooks for him. I wouldn't expect them to make his stay imprisoned at Mar-A-Lago into 100% the same as a federal prison, but they could get it as close as possible. (Keep any luxury for the guards and Secret Service. They'll need to be dealing with Trump daily. They deserve some comfort.)
buddhabound 2 points 3 years ago
This reminds me of the scene from Narcos where Escobar is sitting in his "prison" with no one around.
CmdrShepard 1 point 3 years ago
Who knows what'll actually happen but they could always segregate him with an SS detail in prison.
TechyDad 26 points 3 years ago
Trump keeps claiming that he's being treated differently and he's right, but not in the way he means it. He's not being persecuted. He's being treated with exceptionally soft kid gloves.
He was given multiple chances to return the stuff he took. He was asked politely before a subpoena was issued. He was given time between the subpoena and the raid to turn everything over. After the raid, he wasn't immediately arrested and tossed behind bars. They even allowed him to come in and skip some procedures like being handcuffed and getting his mugshot taken.
He's been given way more considerations than anyone else who committed even remotely the number of infractions that he committed would get.
If Trump wants to not get treated differently, I'm all for it. Arrest him and toss him in jail while he waits for his trial. As a bonus, suddenly his usual tactic of delay, delay, delay won't be as attractive.
Chainweasel 24 points 3 years ago
If any of us were indicted on even 1 of his 37 charges we would have been rotting in federal prison for the past 3 years
papertowels 7 points 3 years ago
You're not the only one who thinks that
Obviously, it’s different because of who the defendant is. But I see it in kind of an opposite way: If Trump were anyone other than a former president, he would not have been given the luxury of a summons to appear in court. There would be a team of armed FBI agents outside his door at 6:30 in the morning, he would have been arrested and the government would be immediately moving to detain. So the idea that he’s being treated differently is true – but not from the way his supporters seem to be arguing.
JeSuisUnHombre 81 points 3 years ago
Just want to say how good this post looks. Easy to follow updates with links and videos embedded. Great job lemmy!
RomeCallen 5 points 3 years ago
i dont know if it looks that much better to me but it looks about the same, which is good for me personally
im just happy its workin to some degree at all. im kinda psyched on my first day poking around here
mantisteabaggin 80 points 3 years ago
It makes me sick seeing 10x the amount of cops as were present for Jan 6 there just to protect this fucking dipshit. There’s something really wrong about that.
dingus 1 point 3 years ago
You should join the discussion on the very subject of the problem of US police...
jamster02 73 points 3 years ago
I've been biking to work and it's great. I would like the bus system to be more robust for further travels so I can avoid expensive ubers.
EDIT: LOL I posted in the wrong thread. Not sure what happened but I meant to post somewhere else.
thefloatingpoint 93 points 3 years ago
lostredditors? lostlemmyusers? lostlemmings?!
MightyMjolnir 92 points 3 years ago
Lostlemmings gets my vote.
kaffeebohne 18 points 3 years ago
+1
Dee 44 points 3 years ago
lol there's a bug in Lemmy right now where sometimes somebody's comment will appear on another post. It almost happened to me but I noticed the instance switched posts before I clicked "reply". Had to refresh the page to get back to the right post.
Edit: That being said I like "lostlemmings"
electroskunk 4 points 3 years ago
Calling people "lemmings" might seem a bit derogatory though. We left all the lemmings behind on Reddit, remember?
PavlovsHuman 15 points 3 years ago
I definitely feel like a lemming; I followed everyone else here! Maybe Lemmons?
GreenCrush 3 points 3 years ago
I personally like the self deprecation the name gives off lol. What I really want to know is what is the lemmy mascot? a rat? a marsupial of some sort?
ConditionOverload 29 points 3 years ago
Lostlemmings is perfect!
NekoRogue 2 points 3 years ago
I'm new to Lemmy like most of us are, and so far that comment is the first one I've seen that feels like a malfunctioning bot. Can someone with more tech knowledge than me explain if we are going to have a bot problem on Lemmy like we did on Reddit?
macarthur_park 8 points 3 years ago
Nah, they’re almost certainly a real person. If you look, the user’s previous 2 comments were in a bicycle community.
There’s a bug in lemmy that sometimes causes a top level comment to appear on a different thread. I’ve seen a bunch of these - usually when they realize the commenter just deletes it or edits in an explanation.
argv_minus_one 1 point 3 years ago
I am a human, beep boop. The same thing happened to me. It's a Lemmy bug for sure.
offthecrossbar 35 points 3 years ago
wrong thread but still based. bike + transit gang
YahahaYouFoundMe 16 points 3 years ago
Nice dude. Fuck cars
MightyMjolnir 12 points 3 years ago
It’s gonna be great that such a monumental news story will have this as the top comment. You’ve got my upvote.
helovesblink182 2 points 3 years ago
ken M?
Bautznersenf 58 points 3 years ago
I hope they're putting every protestor on a watch list. This has to be a high density of nutcases that could lose their shit at any time.
ConditionOverload 27 points 3 years ago
God knows how many of them are carrying guns there too. Conservatives are probably already getting ready to put the blame on "ANTIFA" if violence starts.
BeMoreCareful 10 points 3 years ago
"I may not know what an ANTIFA is, but I knows I hates it."
4th_Times_A_Charm 6 points 3 years ago
They don't know what that means either
SoManyChoices 3 points 3 years ago
We call my father's sister Aunty Fascists.
Brunbrun6766 17 points 3 years ago
Also prime time to find any of the J6 fuckers who've evaded arrest
Brunbrun6766 8 points 3 years ago
"They didnt get me last time" kind of mentality
reverendphil 8 points 3 years ago
Shouldn't be too hard I just popped on the live stream and it looks like maybe.. 100? protesters and counter-protesters out there. Or in other words, the biggest crowd ever to attend what is going to be the first witch hunt in America, ever.
sensibilidades 3 points 3 years ago
This has to be a high density of nutcases that could lose their shit at any time.
#florida
VoterFrog 20 points 3 years ago
How does the math on that work? Number of indictments / number of Presidents = 1.54 would imply that the number of times Trump has been indicted exceeds the number of Presidents the U.S. has had and that ain't right...
reverendsteveii 27 points 3 years ago
yeah, I think comment OP got number of times indicted (I think twice so far?) confused with number of charges (37 or so for this indictment, more in the past and more forthcoming)
CmdrShepard 0 points 3 years ago
Or 23 presidents per presidential indictment.
VoterFrog 13 points 3 years ago
I'm not. You just missed a few words from the original post. "The average US President has been indicted on 1.54 felony counts." That makes more sense. There have only been 2 indictments but many felony charges within them.
Mastersord 2 points 3 years ago
71 indictments / 46 presidents. Each individual indictment was counted separately.
dingus 26 points 3 years ago
If what's already transpired is any measure, there's literally no way Trump can prevent himself from breaking the very, very few rules they have given him to follow in this case. It's part of why he is struggling to find new legal counsel, because very few want to represent someone who does so many self-incriminating things on the daily.
reverendsteveii 9 points 3 years ago
he wanted to give some classified information, but instead of just handing them a document and saying "here's that thing you asked for" they literally have him on tape saying 'this is classified, I know it is, I could have declassified it but I didn't, now I can't, it's totally classified and I'm not supposed to have it and I'm definitely not supposed to show it to you so don't look too close'. Dude is terminally desperate to feel cool and important and it's quite literally gonna land him in federal prison.
hadesflames 46 points 3 years ago
It's incredible the level of downright braindead stupid you'd have to be to protest this. Like wtf is going on in these morons minds?
"Oh no an extremely powerful rich person is being arrested! What a travesty! Rich people are supposed to be above the law only us plebs should have to face consequences for our actions!! Let's riot people!!!"
BeMoreCareful 22 points 3 years ago
To play the Devil's advocate: If you really believed the election was stolen, you'd sort of have to do something about it. It be a patriotic duty.
Imagine the timeline with Gore as POTUS
itty53 27 points 3 years ago
What we outside fail to realize is these people live in a wholly different reality.
I haven't watched television with any ads in years. So when I go to a hotel and I'm lounging watching cable and seeing commercials it is jarring just what a different world it is from what I remember before. And for people who never left it, it isn't jarring at all. It's their normal.
Now imagine you only watched Fox or OANN. It's your very reality that's twisted all askew. It's hard to hold that against many of the MAGA crowd and speaks to just how influential misinformation campaigns can be.
TechyDad 12 points 3 years ago
That's the reality with my parents. They only watch FOX News. My father had claimed to have tried watching CNN (years ago before they started veering rightwards). He said he couldn't watch their news because "they got it wrong."
Why did my father think CNN got the stories wrong? Because FOX News reported A and therefore my father assumed A was true. When CNN reported B, then my father didn't question if FOX was wrong. Instead, he just assumed that FOX was right and CNN was wrong. Since CNN was wrong about the news, my father didn't see any reason to watch them and so he stayed with FOX. People get locked in and that becomes their only source of truth.
I try to get my news from a variety of sources. This way, no one news source could mislead me. If one source reports A, but 5 others report B, then chances are the truth is closer to B. (All other things being equal like source reliability.) Of course, my father claims that I'm brainwashed by listening to many different sources instead of just FOX News. Likely because that is what FOX told him is happening with me.
speedycat2014 7 points 3 years ago
What we outside fail to realize is these people live in a wholly different reality.
This.
I passed a church today with a sign saying, "The Bible is the absolute truth!" I realized that anyone who truly believes that bullshit - enough to make it a statement outside their church - is completely divorced from sanity.
These people do not perceive reality. At all. They are locked in a deranged fantasy world in their heads. They are severely impaired and their news sources and pastors work full time to keep them mentally ill and absolutely incapable of understanding reality.
4th_Times_A_Charm 6 points 3 years ago
So when I go to a hotel and I'm lounging watching cable
Get yourself a Roku stick. Set it up at home and log into your streaming apps. Now any time you're in a hotel you can just plug it into your hotel tv and bam, bye bye shitty hotel tv.
itty53 10 points 3 years ago
If I have to sit in the room for long enough I'm not watching TV anyway, I'm on my laptop or steam deck. Otherwise if I'm in a hotel room I'm somewhere I'd rather be out and about doing things anyway. Besides, as much as society's reality is skewed by the inundation of commercials, so to is mine by not experiencing it like everyone else. So I try to, from time to time. See what the other side is seeing.
Xylinna 2 points 3 years ago
Except when the hotel blocks access to the HDMI. I stay at one hotel that built a whole box around the TV to prevent people from accessing the back and the cords. I ended up watching regular cable with commercials and saw so many right wing gun toting ads that wanted to drill a hole in my head. Fuck cable.
Chainweasel 10 points 3 years ago
All this was in motion long before the 2020 election. If you want to trace it back to an election it would be Nixon, he's the entire reason Fox news and the far right movement exist at all, But there's a reason they were already stooping to the level of breaking into the Watergate hotel in the first place. The whole alt-right movement has been a slow moving coup starting with Prescott Bush (Yes, that Bush) who invested heavily in the republican party and, coincidentally, also directly helped Hitler come into power in Germany.
VoterFrog 10 points 3 years ago
Sure, and that's what's so dangerous about Trump and the Republican party's rhetoric surrounding the election. But you also have a patriotic duty to start with some actual solid evidence of the election being stolen. You don't get absolved for playing out a "save the country" fantasy if it's clearly based on, well, a fantasy.
thefloatingpoint 39 points 3 years ago
Trump has been released without any travel conditions, as he is reportedly not a flight risk per the judge.
I am not sure about that part…
Dr_Cog 15 points 3 years ago
He constantly has a secret service detail. He isn't a flight risk because he can't even try without being noticed.
I suppose he could run into his private jet and take off before they catch him, but I just can't see the man running very far or fast
TommySalami 1 point 3 years ago
This is a good point, I was struggling to understand how he could be anything but a flight risk. Constant USSS presence makes sense.
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Benghandhi 20 points 3 years ago
Because then he would quite literally be escaping justice.
reverendsteveii 12 points 3 years ago
because crime should be punished even when the criminal is rich.
backwardWorm 38 points 3 years ago
Sad we don’t get to see his mugshot or see him in handcuffs. If only the rich were treated the same as everyone else
Fauxreigner 32 points 3 years ago
I'm torn on the mugshot. On the one hand, I agree with your general point. On the other hand, he'll just use a mugshot to bilk money out of his marks. But on the gripping hand, last time they just photoshopped a mugshot, so does it really matter if he has a real one?
phrexleysnipes 9 points 3 years ago
haha holy shit
teflocarbon 3 points 3 years ago
6’5” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. He’s tall but not that tall. Also “president” lol. As if they include that with mugshots.
orclev 6 points 3 years ago
Automatic upvote for the Niven reference. I don't think anything would stop Trump from grifting money from his supporters. It's like the kobayashi maru, the only options are the least bad ones.
In this case I think they've opted to split the difference and take a mugshot proving he's still being treated like a criminal (although it would have been better to have forced him to wear handcuffs), but not release it to deny him as much free fundraising fodder as they can.
Ultimately as you point out it won't really matter, they'll just photoshop something, but at least this way someone will need to put in the effort to make the image and we'll all get some entertainment about how horrendous of a job they'll inevitably do.
zombiepete 6 points 3 years ago
They’ll give him money either way; it would be great campaign material for Biden though.
Lost_Wanderer 1 point 3 years ago
I think they're allowing him to submit a picture rather than have a booking photo, according to other reports I've read
MentallyExhausted 27 points 3 years ago
No mugshot, no handcuffs? Very disappointing, I needed those pictures to troll right wing nut jobs with.
agreyworld 9 points 3 years ago
Yes definitely. Don't pander to his need for theatre. Mugshots and handcuffs are exactly what he wants. His own press team released their own mock mugshot last time. He'd absolutely love it.
negativenull 7 points 3 years ago
They will all be good COVID citizens and wear masks too I bet.
dingus 15 points 3 years ago
The gears of justice turn so slowly when you're part of the political class.
They gave him so many chances to undo what he did and walk away without being charged.
It's a travesty it's taken this long to just get here, and even further travesty that he will likely to continue to be accommodated as he tries to slow things down and run out the clock, hoping to win the election before conviction, so he can pardon himself.
Beardliest 15 points 3 years ago
How anyone still supports this dude is beyond me. The horrible shit he's put a lot of people through for his own gain is pretty astounding. I'm amazed he can even find a lawyer at this point.
Death2lois 14 points 3 years ago
We will hope they will keep it civilized.
sarsaparilyptus 25 points 3 years ago
I hope they bring him in using the exact some methods they would use for a homeless black man.
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MightyMjolnir 7 points 3 years ago
They’ve always been model citizens. I expect the utmost regard for decorum today.
TummyDrums 2 points 3 years ago
As they say, you can wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up first.
Exaggeration207 7 points 3 years ago
I've heard mixed reports on that... Trump is either being allowed to provide a photo in lieu of mugshot or, if a mugshot is taken, it will not be made public.
KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX 10 points 3 years ago
Did the guy in the prison costume get arrested? I’d say that’s irony if it weren’t in the midst of this circus.
SterlingVapor 6 points 3 years ago
Arrested means the cops took you into custody (they can effectively do this for any or no reason), indited means you're actually being charged with a crime, araigned means you go before a judge (generally to plan out the court case logistics, like if you'll get bail or if the case should be thrown out immediately)
fubo 9 points 3 years ago
The news I want is increasingly local. City council stuff, crime, policing, road closures, public transit issues, events, new businesses & organizations, "area man grows amusingly-shaped potato", "local landlord fined for hosting illegal pony fights in tenants' attic".
joelthelion 7 points 3 years ago
What are the plausible outcomes of this process? Will he be freed under bail? Put under house arrest? Jailed??
Chainweasel 17 points 3 years ago
He'll walk out of the courthouse and be free until after he's convicted. He'll plead "Not Guilty", and the case will go to trial. That could take up to a year. Until he's convicted and sentenced he's free just like NY. He'll be posting to Truth Social later this evening from Mar-a-Lago.
Lost_Wanderer 13 points 3 years ago
He'll be in NJ tonight at a private fundraising dinner that's $125k a plate.
Chainweasel 10 points 3 years ago
Ah, well I don't pay much attention to him on a day-to-day basis, I'm only really interested in seeing him face consequences for literally anything he's done.
breadsmasher 4 points 3 years ago
maga is just the noise the average conservative makes when gargling tr*mps sac
wowitsverycool 3 points 3 years ago
The biggest loss is not having the mugshot. Imagine the thumbnails!
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I would love to see him in a regular prison like he deserves, but can a person with secret service protection even get anything worse than house arrest? I've been unable to find clarifying information on this.
What he deserves is to not have special treatment anymore, but who knows how it will happen
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