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jballs 79 points 3 years ago

"I'm mindful that no secretary of state has ever deprived a presidential candidate of ballot access based on section three of the 14th Amendment. But I'm also mindful that no presidential candidate has, ever before, engaged in insurrection."

I like how Trumpers always seem to forget about that 2nd sentence.

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ButtermilkBiscuit 72 points 3 years ago

O'l smelly they used ta call him. He had tiny hands and giant tits, which was the style at the time.

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Nobody 70 points 3 years ago

The more states that block him, the better the argument that the Supreme Court should decline to intervene and let the state decisions stand.

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Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug 56 points 3 years ago

Perfect time to use the "states rights" catch to make their heads spin

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circuitfarmer 54 points 3 years ago

Oh, but it's only about states' rights when it is convenient for conservative arguments. Otherwise it's just federal power all the way down.

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LucasWaffyWaf 17 points 3 years ago

They can only be called the Party of Responsibility if it's within the America region. Otherwise it's legally required to be called Sparkling Hypocrisy.

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Sculptor9157 4 points 3 years ago

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -7 points 3 years ago

If the individual states don’t allow him on their ballot although he hasn’t been found guilty by courts or congress how long is it before the pre-election period is just red states eliminating blue nominees?

This is bad precedent.

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LilB0kChoy 11 points 3 years ago
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SatansMaggotyCumFart -7 points 3 years ago

What’s stopping the republicans from doing the same to Biden?

That’s what the people who are taking offence to what I’m saying are not seeing.

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RunningInRVA 8 points 3 years ago

On what grounds would they be removed? They can’t kick somebody off the ballot if it won’t stand up in court.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -2 points 3 years ago

I wish I had your optimism.

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Chaser 6 points 3 years ago

But then the argument is we shouldn't follow the law because the GOP might break it

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SatansMaggotyCumFart -9 points 3 years ago

No, it’s to follow the law wisely knowing the conservatives will weaponize the precedent.

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afraid_of_zombies 12 points 3 years ago

Honestly do you think that will matter? What's to stop the Supreme Court from saying we are the final say and no one can block him?

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Chocrates 12 points 3 years ago

Nothing, I think they will do it.

But the GOP likes to pretend it is about states rights and Neil Gorsuch ostensibly has a lower court ruling related to this that would seem to favour blocking Trump. I have read the opinion And I didn't think it applied, but I'm an idiot on my couch with no legal training.

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PsychedSy 2 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure it matters yet. Are the parties even required to have primaries? What keeps them from just choosing at the convention?

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Maggoty 2 points 3 years ago

No.

The people.

Both parties used to have a much more closed process that didn't announce a winner until their convention. The public primaries weren't anything more than a preference poll. Voters punished them both for it so severely that they changed.

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BulbasaurBabu 1 point 3 years ago
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jordanlund 10 points 3 years ago

When some states allow him and some block him, that's the argument for the Court to step in.

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Nobody 15 points 3 years ago

Normally, I’d agree that a split encourages them to take the case, but political questions are extremely thorny. The fact that all these states are using their own processes to decide how to regulate their own elections tilts toward the system working the way it’s supposed to IMO.

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whenigrowup356 14 points 3 years ago

Both of these arguments presuppose that principles and precedent are important factors for the current conservative majority to consider. Evidence says otherwise.

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zenitsu 42 points 3 years ago

When you're such a bitchass corrupt sore loser that legal experts need to clear the dusty cobwebs off ancient scrolls and navigate new legal waters because you decided to be the first brainlet to violate laws that no one before you was stupid and unpatriotic enough to even consider attempting.

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SkybreakerEngineer 19 points 3 years ago

Amendment, not law. And it was written in the aftermath of the Civil War, this is exactly what it was for.

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sighofannoyance 33 points 3 years ago

The real issue at the heart of all this is that the popular vote doesn't win the presidency.

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kelargo 3 points 3 years ago

Seriously. Didn't Biden only win by like 43,000 votes in the electoral college?

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woodenskewer 7 points 3 years ago

There's only 538 votes total in the electoral college. It was 306/232. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're referring to, then, apologies.

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Estiar 3 points 3 years ago

In competitive states, he won by only 43k votes as opposed to the many more votes he won by in the popular vote. In other words, had those votes been cast differently, the electoral college would be very different

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kelargo 1 point 3 years ago

This. And it was too close for those competitive electoral votes.

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stringere 2 points 3 years ago

Republicans have not won the popular vote for a president since HW Bush.

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kelargo 1 point 3 years ago

Doesn't matter. The electoral college is the only thing that counts.

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maxy 31 points 3 years ago

Keep it going!

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Sterile_Technique 18 points 3 years ago
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Phegan 37 points 3 years ago
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chiliedogg 10 points 3 years ago

If that happens the pay will just change the rules and select him at the convention.

They're all-in with this doomsday cult.

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Aztechnology 13 points 3 years ago
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thal3s 9 points 3 years ago

Yep, he won a single electoral vote in 2020.

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Lemminary 4 points 3 years ago

That's fine, right now it's the momentum that counts. Hopefully other states will follow. I don't know how this process works but I'm hoping he's spread thin enough while fighting them all at once. Maybe that'll do something to his pockets and stress him tf out, idk,

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OldWoodFrame 2 points 3 years ago

No impact because the Supreme Court is going to overturn their interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

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autotldr 11 points 3 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Maine's top election official has ruled that Donald Trump cannot run for president next year in the state, citing a constitutional insurrection clause.

Secretary of State Shenna Bellows said Mr Trump was not eligible because of his actions leading up to the US Capitol riot in 2021.

Maine now joins Colorado as the two states to ban Mr Trump from the ballot.

The 34-page ruling says that Mr Trump must be removed from the ballot because he "engaged in insurrection or rebellion".

In her order, Mrs Bellows says that Mr Trump "over the course of several months and culminating on January 6, 2021, used a false narrative of election fraud to inflame his supporters and direct them to the Capitol".

She added that his "occasional requests that rioters be peaceful and support law enforcement do not immunize his actions".


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stebo02 3 points 3 years ago
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wheeldawg 1 point 3 years ago

Wake me up when a state that matters (as in, a state that will have an impact on the likelihood of Trump getting to and winning the general election) does it.

I'm not convinced a red state would dare put their metaphorical balls on the chopping block like that.

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verdantbanana -22 points 3 years ago

makes no difference

it is a state by state at this point in time like the cannabis issue and other laws have gone even Biden has gone for this

either are born in a state with favorable laws or not and some are not allowed to vote and some candidates are barred already from participating and nobody fussed about that why is this any different

Obama and Biden chained a candidate to chair for wanting to debate with Republicans and Democrats and they won that election and we voted Biden in

why should anything block someone being eligible for president now nobody cares unless that person is Trump or someone wanting different options other than not Trump

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KairuByte 19 points 3 years ago

You realize it’s literally in the constitution that anyone taking part in an insurrection is barred from elected office (among other things) without 2/3rds approval from the house and senate?

You want to know why “no one cared until Trump”? Because it literally hadn’t happened in our lifetimes. It’s really hard to hold people accountable for things that aren’t happening.

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badaboomxx 3 points 3 years ago

Because drumpf commitment treason. Besides this is a matter of the doj and not the president.

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