Gotta give this one a try!
fastandcurious 16 points 3 years ago
chiliedogg 12 points 3 years ago
I don't keep nuclear secrets on my PC, but sometimes I run tasks that take days to process, and Windows updates have fucked me more than once.
thorbot 5 points 3 years ago
Updates patch major security vulnerabilities. It’s cute that you think nuclear secrets existing in your hard drive are the only reason why you should care if your PC is infected with malware but it isn’t. Malware can steal your keystrokes, granting attackers access to your bank accounts and every other place you sign into online. Malware also uses background processes to do bad things, so your “multi-day” processes will take even longer when your computers resources are being hogged by nasty stuff.
EuroNutellaMan 58 points 3 years ago
the lengths people will go to not simply use a better OS
EuroNutellaMan 5 points 3 years ago
F
LemmyKnowsBest 7 points 3 years ago
Sledgehammer works too.
Octopus1348 7 points 3 years ago
That's not the best. Instead hold the power button until the computer turns off.
SpaceCadet 5 points 3 years ago
What is more dangerous about it than holding the power button?
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SpaceCadet 5 points 3 years ago
Your computer is still using the power and it can damage it
Thats not how that works.
Sure it could cause some data loss, or corruption, or other software issues if the computer was in the middle of something like applying updates, but it should not cause hardware damage. All this applies to holding the powerbutton as well by the way.
or (really unlikely, on a shit connector) you get shocked.
Then you have bigger problems. You shouldn't be using a connector that's a shock or fire hazard in the first place.
But seriously about the only bad thing about it is perhaps some wear and tear on the connector that's not designed to be plugged in and pulled out every day. Alternatively you could also "pull the power" by pressing a button on your powerstrip (if you have that), or by flipping the powersupply button at the back of the computer to off. It all does the same thing: it cuts the power to the computer instantly.
It’s also more convenient to hold the button instead of having to unplug and re-plug.
Yes, but holding the button is not instant and it relies on a software function in the bios which can be buggy. Usually holding the button doesn't even complete poweroff the system but puts it in a special "standby" power state where the motherboard still keeps providing power to some components. There are some issues that can only be resolved by a complete poweroff.
fastandcurious 15 points 3 years ago
I do use linux mint for basic stuff, bit I am a complete noob and can’t figure out how to get Altstore on it, not that it matters because it hasn’t been updated in 2 years for Linux
fastandcurious 2 points 3 years ago
I googled about it and I think I have found another thing to waste my day on! Can you dual-boot hackintosh with Linux mint?
scrubbles 51 points 3 years ago
Bro, if you want to raise adoption you gotta drop the "IAmVerySmart" tone. Be kind with people, encourage them to learn. There was a time you didn't know this either.
Instead of saying "haha you use apple" why not "Oh okay great, so if you used X on Apple you'll probably find Y on Linux to be very similar"
moody 29 points 3 years ago
Without intending to circlejerk, the only linux updates that I have encountered that required a reboot were kernel updates, and they don't force a reboot, they just don't apply until you do. And when you do update the kernel, the update is downloaded and set up without interrupting anything. You can just power off when you're done, and next time you power on, it's already updated. None of those "Please wait 5-10 minutes, and don't power off your PC" messages.
fushuan 0 points 3 years ago
But that's how Windows updates go. They update and then ask for a reboot, which you do when you switch the PC off. The people than complain about windows updating when they logged on are people that delayed the security updates so long that they were beyond critical y the time windows said that enough is enough.
NuclearDolphin 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah but for some reason Windows updates hang on the login screen for what seems like an eternity on shutdown and startup. No idea what Windows is doing, but it's super frustrating.
MNByChoice 17 points 3 years ago
Need to? yes. Have to? No
Andrew15_5 14 points 3 years ago
More like "it's your choice".
fastandcurious 13 points 3 years ago
Well you are not forced, much better when trying to manage time or data
AFaithfulNihilist 24 points 3 years ago
At this point I just accept that my windows desktop is going to reboot itself and update itself every fucking night. I used to be able to leave it on for months at a time only rebooting when I felt like it and had prepared all of my open projects to be rebooted.
Now I do those projects on my Linux PC, which has to be a separate PC now because the windows updates completely screw up dual booting. Microsoft is such a shit show, I would probably only turn on that PC on the weekends except I need Windows for work.
AFaithfulNihilist 9 points 3 years ago
I thought that too. My (now windows only) computer has two M2 slots, I used one for Linux and one for Windows. One day I walked into my office having left windows running the night before and my computer had rebooted and updated, The first thing I did was try to boot into the Linux partition and it did not work.
Not taking that chance again, I now have two separate PCs on my desk.
OR3X 8 points 3 years ago
Hmm. That's interesting. The only thing I can think of that could potentially cause that is if for whatever reason there was an exisitng EFI partition on your linux drive. Windows will use whatever EFI it sees even if it's on a separate drive from it's primary NTFS partition. As you can imagine this can cause some fucky stuff to happen.
Sarcasmo220 10 points 3 years ago
Some instructions I've read for dual booting recommend installing Linux first, removing the SSD wit Linux on it from the computer, and then install Windows to prevent that from happening.
It's really shitty that users have to go through all that trouble, though.
Honytawk 20 points 3 years ago
You're the reason Microsoft has to force it on the rest of us.
Everyone would still be able to shut down without updating, if people actually rebooted once in a while when Windows asked. Instead of leaving it in a perpetual sleep cycle of multiple years, and then blaming Microsoft when things go tits up.
At least the Pro version is still able to do so, since then the user can blame the IT department instead.
KairuByte 6 points 3 years ago
I think you mean Enterprise? I don’t believe Pro allows you to completely disable auto updates. Furthest I think you can do is turn them off for at most 2 weeks?
Unless you mean with group policies or disabling services, which I believe is still possible even in Home.
01189998819991197253 5 points 3 years ago
Setting up a GPO with WSUS to localhost will disable updates. But please don't do that. As much as I hate updates, they're very important.
KairuByte 4 points 3 years ago
Agreed, and I say that in every one of these discussions. :)
The only time auto updates should be disabled is on machines with an uptime requirement, which should have regularly scheduled maintenance which includes updating their software. And of course any critical security updates should be installed asap even if it’s outside the normal maintenance window.
01189998819991197253 3 points 3 years ago
I agree 100%. I don't like autoreboots, but fully understand why they exist. People, in general, just stopped rebooting regularly. I have disabled autoreboot for a select few PCs in our environment, but I follow up with them within one week after I get notified that their computer updated and they haven't rebooted. Most people in this group reboot within a day or two. I usually have to remind only one person.
Bene7rddso 1 point 3 years ago
They got rid of Enterprise somewhere between 7 and 10. You're thinking of Server
Pro lets you turn it off for 1 week
superterran 4 points 3 years ago
OP is a horrible person and I hate him
dynamo 4 points 3 years ago
The computer ain't gonna tell me when to restart. I decide that, not it. And it's not getting regular restarts. Hell, my phone bugs me about restarting after i don't do it for a month, and the fucking notification won't fuck off. Can't bloody stand it
NecroParagon 2 points 3 years ago
Poor phone lol
JustJack23 3 points 3 years ago
If only there was an option to update an os without restarting it....
Oh wait there is, but windows is a shitty product.
chemical_cutthroat 38 points 3 years ago
That's a you problem. Don't blame windows for shitty practices.
SpaceCadet 23 points 3 years ago
To be fair, it would also be highly distruptive if you let the computer run overnight to finish some long running job and Windows decides it's rebootin' time. The point is: the OS shouldn't decide for you to reboot.
SpaceCadet 6 points 3 years ago
Windows doesn’t reboot when things are running.
Plenty of reports to the contrary
explodicle 11 points 3 years ago
Like using Windows
orangeboats 9 points 3 years ago
Ackshually you still can blame Windows for not supporting live updates.
Psychodelic 0 points 3 years ago
It wasnt an issue until windows 10 though. It feels like computers are a bit worse now, imo. For some reason, it's now popular opinion that it's unsafe to run a computer as long as you like. It's one of the main reasons I'll move to Linux.... some day
emergencyfood 5 points 3 years ago
Linux servers often run for years before having to shut down. Linux can also update without restarting (except kernel updates), if you so wish. Needing to restart frequently is a Windows problem.
Psychodelic 1 point 3 years ago
I understand that, but I consider a forced restart a much bigger problem. You're more than welcome to disagree
KairuByte 23 points 3 years ago
… why exactly are you leaving unsaved work open on your PC and expecting it to be there the next day? And it seems it’s intentional? Think of all the things that could lose the work apart from an update. A power outage, a brownout, a failed PC component; memory corruption, and more.
lunarul 4 points 3 years ago
It's was just notes, not work work (that's all in the cloud). And yes,I expect things to be there the next day, it's been decades since I was working on a 2x86 with a bad hard drive that froze ar random intervals, so I had to save every few seconds. I do save even my random notes now, just in case, but if they get closes I will probably forget about them because the whole point is to have them on screen as reminders.
Psychodelic 6 points 3 years ago
It's weird how being forced to restart your computer by the OS is obviously a new feature yet people defend it so religiously.
I don't understand why people care so much? It's like people that don't want to keep their PCs running always feel better about themselves for using their PC the way the OS forces them to?
I miss the days of if you don't have something nice to say just stfu. Now, it's if you don't say anything to put them down, how will you feel better about yourself?
KairuByte 7 points 3 years ago
Eh… This was more of a comment on “why aren’t you saving your work” which has been a push point since the dawn of computers.
That said, forced updates and restarts aren’t a bad thing. They should be defended to an extent. You don’t remember the days of virtually every consumer PC being months behind on security updates? Viruses running rampant?
The feature can be bypassed by the users who actually care. Yes, with “a lot of” work to intentionally prevent non-power users from just flipping the bit and going back to a world of un-updated boxes of vulnerability.
InputZero 12 points 3 years ago
I'm sorry that you've lost so much work. Although it's kind of irresponsible to leave unsaved work open overnight. Perhaps you could look into applications that have an autosave feature? Alternativly if your workflow permits it do your work on the cloud?
lunarul 5 points 3 years ago
I do my actual work in the cloud. But when I want to just jut down quick notes I open a Notepad window and write them there. Usually it's something I need to remember for just a few hours later. Sometimes it's something I'll be expanding on somewhere permanent later on. It's just the most handy place to write something down quickly. Sometimes I have one such window open, sometimes I end up with 6. I just so happened that night I had some more important notes that I didn't transfer yet. I've got into the habit of saving them now just in case, so I have tons of small text files that I'll probably forget about.
Psychodelic 0 points 3 years ago
Because we're not looking to change our behavior we're criticizing the decisions made by those that own the OS.
To me, the response comes off as completely missing the point, likely intentionally, and blatantly ignoring the meaning of the person they're responding to.
It's like saying, I wish my favorite show wasn't cancelled and someone replying with why don't you just have a different favorite show?
bestusername 13 points 3 years ago
"Update and Shutdown"... Walk away.
TheGrandNagus 6 points 3 years ago
I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, philosophically, the user should be in charge of their PC, and updates should happen at a time of their choosing.
On the other hand, people are idiots. Especially the type of people who think they know everything but in reality don't. The type that will search for registry hacks or scripts that disable updates, and proceed to live without any security patches, putting not only their own system/data at risk, but others too.
It's probably a necessary evil that MS forces security patches on users.
What isn't so forgivable is them pushing all the other crap on people, or why the updates take so fucking long on shutdown/startup. That's what they need to improve. Far fewer people would care about avoiding updates if a reboot after an update was imperceptibly different to any normal startup, like it is on Linux.
MS is a $3tn company. They can achieve this if they want to, but they see spending money on Windows as a waste of money - why improve something when you've already cornered the market? It doesn't benefit them. It doesn't make them more money. Windows is dominant either way, they get their licensing fees either way. Improving Windows damages Microsoft.
fastandcurious -1 points 3 years ago
Not any longer sadly, kinda amazing how windows has that much control, I always thought it was a way to brute force a shutdown when you can’t do anything else
Edit: I have the realized the error of my ways thanks to moody, 5sec hold on the power button forces a shutdown, pressing it once is just a software one
Octopus1348 8 points 3 years ago
It baffles me how many people don't know that.
My Mom didn't know and Windows was stuck, not even the clock ticking. She had to wait until I got home and powered it off.
DakRalter 2 points 3 years ago
Power button has rescue rights. I had to use the power button after Windows forced an update on Friday and my tower just sat there powered on but doing nothing for an hour, no signal to the monitor. Now I feel bad, it was probably just high on drugs.
Linux mint, I just type sudo apt update and I'm done.
HerbalGamer 3 points 3 years ago
I have an extra wireless keyboard laying around just because it has a quick shutdown button on it.
banneryear1868 2 points 3 years ago
Try configuring windows update
feedum_sneedson 0 points 3 years ago
I just don't think the sex will have been very good.
OR3X -10 points 3 years ago
People who shutdown their desktop computer everytime they're done using it are so bizarre to me. Why? What are you trying to protect? I only reboot when updates are needed and otherwise my computer is on 24/7. Been doing this since ~2004 and have never had an issue.
Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong if you shutdown everytime. I'm just saying it's weird to me because it hasn't been necessary since the mid 2000's or probably earlier.
zephr_c 11 points 3 years ago
Yup, Also, I hate having a million LEDs lighting up my house like it's Christmas year round. I sleep better when it's actually dark. I make a point to only get stuff that's actually off when I turn it off.
velvetThunder 2 points 3 years ago
You can put it to sleep/energy saving mode. If you Google how to you can also put it to hybernate. I don't think the original commenter does it, but I recommend it.
zephr_c 11 points 3 years ago
Or I could just not do any of that and turn it off. It doesn't hurt anything to turn your PC off. I promise. Especially since standby mode comes with those stupid LEDs I hate, and hibernate takes longer to boot back up then a cold boot.
Wirrvogel 1 point 3 years ago
A shutdown and a fresh start also deletes files that aren't used anymore and the PC does check itself for hardware problems. Starting a PC could take a long time in the past, but my current 7 year old system starts in about 10 seconds, a newer system could start faster. I also turn off all peripherals like monitors and printer etc. with one switch after the computer is off, to make sure there is not a single light still wasting electricity. Standby devices in a common houshold use so much electricity, that it amounts to a lot of money over a year. But I guess we are still in the phase of convinience over climate and people have money to waste too.
illectrility 12 points 3 years ago
Do you also keep your car running all day for when you have to be somewhere and only turn off the engine at the gas station?
OR3X -2 points 3 years ago
That seems like a bad faith argument, but I'll indulge. Gasoline internal combustion engine aren't made to run indefinitely and have many components that can wear over time and require regular maintenance. Modern computer hardware has no problem with the task and my "newest" computer which was built back in 2016 has run pretty much non-stop for 8 years now with 0 failure. At this point the hardware is more likely to be replaced due to age than failure. The only argument I can see making sense is maybe the cost of electricity aspect; but even then modern power supplies are so efficient I'd be surprised if it costs me more than $10/yr. to leave my PC on so I don't it's a very strong argument.
Honytawk 9 points 3 years ago
Nah, you just didn't notice the issues, but they are definitely there.
Anyway, my computer boots in less than 5 seconds. Why wouldn't I just shut it down when I am done?
Do you also not bother closing your books when you go do something else?
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