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swiffswaffplop 201 points 3 years ago
  1. Greta did get a nomination, just not for director.
  2. Margot didn't, but America did.
  3. Ryan Gosling was the best part of Barbie, partly because of the writing which, again, WAS nominated.
  4. This is not "the patriarchy;" it was a really strong year for those two categories.
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FatTony 9 points 3 years ago

but America did

What does this mean?

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Vacationlandgirl 37 points 3 years ago

America Ferrera is an actress in the movie.

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FatTony 13 points 3 years ago

I guess I was a little too patriotic in mind there 😅.

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dependencyinjection 5 points 3 years ago

I ain’t even American and I was hella confused. I guess I can’t moan too much, it is a movies instance after all.

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Kusimulkku 2 points 3 years ago

MERICA NOMINATION YEEEHAWWW

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player2 2 points 3 years ago

You have to put 2 spaces after each line to force the next sentence into a new line.

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AccmRazr 157 points 3 years ago

Greta is the snub, Margot did a good job but nothing stellar. Ryan Gosling stole every scene he was in.

Edit: and the meme actually ignores that the plot is actually gender neutral. It applies to everyone, not just Barbie.

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SpaceNoodle 70 points 3 years ago

I think there were a couple bits about women in particular

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TheBat 11 points 3 years ago
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SpaceNoodle 6 points 3 years ago

I can see you didn't finish watching the film.

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TheBat 3 points 3 years ago
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peopleproblems 6 points 3 years ago

nah get outta here

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ArbitraryValue 52 points 3 years ago

It was Ken's movie and Barbie was only starring in it.

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Speculater 66 points 3 years ago

He showed us all we're Kenough.

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turkalino 3 points 3 years ago

Margot did a good job but nothing stellar

I kinda thought the writers made her character meh on purpose to show young girls that while stereotypical Barbie is a cool toy, she's not really someone they should aspire to be

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asteriskeverything 79 points 3 years ago

Men getting credit for women's accomplishments is the plot of barbie? I thought it was about how expectations and rules for gender identity and roles hurts everyone. That then expands on how women specifically feel a unique pressure to be an impossible ideal of everything all at once.

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electrogamerman 25 points 3 years ago

No, the plot is barbie not getting an oscar nomination while Ken did

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reddig33 16 points 3 years ago
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doidera 67 points 3 years ago

What actresses got nominated? You realize it might be possible there were better actresses from other movies?

And maybe Ryan was a lot better than most other actors.

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sin_free_for_00_days 21 points 3 years ago

Strong performances this year:

Nominees:

Annette Bening - Nyad

Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon

Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall

Carey Mulligan - Maestro

Emma Stone - Poor Things

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rickyrigatoni 11 points 3 years ago

It's like people making the complaint forgot that there were other movies with women in them.

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boredtortoise 5 points 3 years ago

Need to see Anatomy and Maestro but Emma deserves that shit

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roofuskit 53 points 3 years ago

Honestly, it doesn't make sense for any of them to get a nom. The film was good, it was enjoyable, but it wasn't an Oscar film. It wasn't Gerwig's best work and it wasn't Robbie's best performance. Despite Gosling being one of the best parts of the movie, the pickings for best supporting must have been slim for that to get him a nom for that role.

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echoplex21 52 points 3 years ago

Honestly the Lead Actress Category was stacked this year. Emma Stone played a very similar role but was far more complex. Why are people also forgetting that America Ferrera was also nominated ? Best Director is also a smaller pool than Best Picture where it was nominated. It looks bad on optics but if people actually watched all the movies they would know that each of the actresses nominated deserved it . It’s not like they gave the nomination to a man lol

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beefcat 11 points 3 years ago

Gerwig also still got a nomination for the screenplay, so it’s not like she was completely snubbed

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june 8 points 3 years ago

I’m definitely annoyed by the lack of praise for America. She was brilliant in the role and personified the movie. Margo played the means to tell the story, but America was the story. Don’t get me wrong, Margo was amazing and deserved a nomination too, but so did America who seems to be forgotten in the whole mess of the movie for some reason. She had the single most impactful scene in the movie with her monologue about how hard it is to be a woman.

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Killing_Spark 3 points 3 years ago

I just can't get over Americas role in superstore. I can't not think whoa Amy has gotten herself into some wild shit this time.

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Cringe2793 51 points 3 years ago

This is kind of stupid tbh. Margot and Greta are NOT competing against Ryan. They're competing against other females. This is because of this thing called "categories".

Ryan getting nominated has NOTHING to do with this. It's not like Ryan got nominated but they didn't because he took their place.

This is happening because of the absolute flood of female centric characters and movies that came out recently. There's too much competition. And much to the "feminists" dismay, Barbie is actually mid compared to the other movies and actresses.

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Spaceballstheusername 21 points 3 years ago

There was 1 female director nominated.

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potustheplant 3 points 3 years ago

Ok. Which directors do you think were snubbed?

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Spaceballstheusername 5 points 3 years ago

I'm responding to op saying greta was beat out by other females. This is factually wrong since there's only one other female director.

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potustheplant 0 points 3 years ago

Awesome, thanks for making that clear. Now, which other females do you think should've been nomimated? Because if there aren't any, she was simply beat out by other directors.

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platypus_plumba 3 points 3 years ago

What percentage of directors are female?

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Mamertine -7 points 3 years ago

I feel like it should be 50% as they make up just over half of the US population.

I could only quickly get statistics for 2019.

https://womenandhollywood.com/...

On the top 100 grossing films of 2019, women represented:

10.7% of directors 19.4% of writers 24.3% of producers 70.4% of casting directors

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Baahb 8 points 3 years ago

But it's not 50%. The goal of equity and equality is laudable, but it doesn't reflect reality

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JargonWagon 1 point 3 years ago

It feels like you're saying there should be more. I have no idea who's been nominated, nor do I know most of the films that came out last year, so I'm out of the loop and would like to know if you have any female director movies you'd recommend in place of who's been nominated.

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Spaceballstheusername 1 point 3 years ago

Barbie was a cultural phenomenon so I would say Greta should at least be nominated. Openheimer was an ok movie in my eyes I didn't see any of the others. I don't personally think Barbie was a great movie not a bad movie but more like a good movie. The fact it gave a voice to so many women should mean something.

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potustheplant 0 points 3 years ago

You said it, it was a cultural phenomenom, not a great movie. Those are two very separate, very different things. That does not mean that the director of the movie was great. It's more closely related to what Barbie already means (socially) and the marketing campaign.

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MargotRobbie 42 points 3 years ago

Sigh.

Still "Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie" for now.

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MargotRobbie 15 points 3 years ago

Also, appreciate the sentiment from the picture, but still annoyed people can't get my name right.

At least it's not "Margo with a T" this time.

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HerbalGamer 4 points 3 years ago

Margeaux

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JackbyDev 2 points 3 years ago

Mary Robby

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RizzRustbolt 3 points 3 years ago

You and Rhea Pearlman, just hanging out at the Oscars...

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Stanwich 3 points 3 years ago

I believe in you!

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MystikIncarnate 1 point 3 years ago

It's such a shame about their eyesight.

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gmtom 38 points 3 years ago

As someone that never saw the movie. All the clips, gifs and memes people make about it are the Ken scenes. Nobody talks about barbie presumably because her character and performance were good, but just kinda safe, middle of the road stuff.

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S_H_K 20 points 3 years ago

I saw a few memes from her but her acting wasn't middle of the road by any means. She had to do the more dramatic parts and Ryan did almost all the comedy. And we all know comedy does give more material for memeing.

Also I noticed her memes were showing in my wife's feed so I assume there's some echo chamber effect going on.

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dangblingus 5 points 3 years ago

Hot take: none of the performances in the movie are deserving of an Oscar.

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gmtom 1 point 3 years ago

Very good point I didn't consider

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kilgore_trout 13 points 3 years ago

Yes.

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MurphysPaw 11 points 3 years ago

Can you repeat the question?

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ghen 10 points 3 years ago

Maybe

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TrickDacy 8 points 3 years ago

No

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snake_case_guy 7 points 3 years ago

I don't know

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PeriodicallyPedantic 5 points 3 years ago

You're not the boss of me, now

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lorty 4 points 3 years ago

Maybe you just hang out on male spaces and men generally find Ken jokes funnier?

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96VXb9ktTjFnRi 34 points 3 years ago
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Smoogs 33 points 3 years ago

I’m surprised that Margot Robbie gag account on lemmy hasn’t rung in on this post. Or are they back to obsessing about android phones again? WAKE UP, BOT!

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rickyrigatoni 24 points 3 years ago

What do you mean gag account that's actually her.

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Smoogs 1 point 3 years ago

I crave pasta all of a sudden

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fosho 0 points 3 years ago

ummm....source?

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rickyrigatoni 18 points 3 years ago

it has her name right there

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MargotRobbie 12 points 3 years ago

You do realize that the strike's been over for a few months and I have work I need to get done now, right?

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DacoTaco 2 points 3 years ago

An esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress? Work? Impossble! They are special, they dont work! /s

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Klear 6 points 3 years ago

Haven't seen them anywhere in a long while.

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Obi 11 points 3 years ago

Nah I saw them just the other day, they're around.

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Klear 3 points 3 years ago

Good to hear.

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sukhmel 4 points 3 years ago

Maybe they are just too sad to comment yet 😭

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MargotRobbie 10 points 3 years ago

It's just weird people here expected me to joke about this.

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RememberTheApollo_ 33 points 3 years ago

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CaptainEffort -9 points 3 years ago

Kind of a weird thing for him to say imo. It’s not like they got snubbed, this year was just really stacked, and the other nominations being filled with other incredibly talented women shows that. Be happy for them, don’t put a damper on their achievements because you’re upset that your co-star didn’t get nominated.

Obviously I get that he can’t help how he feels, but making this whole statement just feels like an odd choice.

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MystikIncarnate 6 points 3 years ago

I don't follow your logic.

He's saying that without the leading actors of the film being who they are - simply, the extremely talented people they they are - he wouldn't have had a movie in which to act (the Barbie movie) to shine and gain the honor of being nominated.

More to the point, him being nominated when they are not, is, in and of itself, ironic; on several levels.

His entire sentiment here is that they should have had recognition for their roles in a very culturally relevant film, in which they did really great work. They commanded the screen in a way that few can. The entire thing pivots around the leading characters.

Honestly, I couldn't give two fucks about how stacked the year was. If you examine mentions of films in news, social media, and other sources where people discuss movies, the Barbie movie would be mentioned a lot more than pretty much any other. And yet, the headlining character, played by an amazingly talented young woman, didn't get nominated?

Bluntly, I'm surprised his comments were this restrained. If I was in his shoes I would have told them to take their nomination and shove it. It clearly doesn't mean anything if they won't even give a nomination to Margot. Her performance was picture perfect as far as I'm concerned.

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ExLisper 32 points 3 years ago

I mean I always knew that Oscars were mostly about hype and not actual artistic value but getting offended that the most hyped movie of the year didn't get all the nominations is just weird. Mattel run multi-million, non traditional marketing campaign and got a lot of people exited about the movie. It doesn't say anything about the acting or directing in it.

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crypticthree 31 points 3 years ago

The Oscars have ALWAYS been bullshit. The best films of a given year rarely get nominated let alone win. Barbie made a boatload of money and Gerwig will be able to make at least a few risky projects based on its success. I wish we would all collectively ignore the Oscars because the academy contributes so little to the art of film

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Crashumbc 14 points 3 years ago

Yup, very often the "winner" is determined because it's their "turn" or they deserve it more so than what they did that actual year. Leonardo Di Capero (SP?) for a great example.

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Tamo240 5 points 3 years ago

I also propose Jaime Lee Curtis last year, definitely felt more like a lifetime achievement oscar than that particular role

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AlexisFR 3 points 3 years ago

Not always, remember how they snobbed Chadwick Boseman?

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dangblingus -3 points 3 years ago

I think the thousands of people in the Academy who vote on these movies probably beg to differ with your assessment of how the awards get handed out.

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Crashumbc 4 points 3 years ago

And kids in high school will tell you they voted for the person the would make the best class president...

Of course somehow that always seems to be the most popular person.... Hmmm

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Syntha 31 points 3 years ago

Why is he claiming that Gerwig got no nomination? Is he stupid?

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jordanlund 24 points 3 years ago

Best Picture goes to the person as a Producer, not a Director.

So, yeah, if it wins, she'll be on stage for producing the film, but not directing it.

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Syntha 9 points 3 years ago

She's also nominated for best screenplay and Barbie really doesn't deserve an Oscar for the directing anyways

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jordanlund 5 points 3 years ago

I dunno, the musical numbers and the giant beach battle look to have been pretty challenging from a directing perspective.

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Syntha 6 points 3 years ago

I'm not saying it's badly directed but in comparison to Poor Things, Killers of the Flower Moon and Anatomy of a Fall it's lacking. And I thought it was better than Oppenheimer, but not for the directing.

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BigBenis 27 points 3 years ago

Barbie was good. But my expectations going into it were greatly inflated by all the hype around it... Which sadly left me disappointed by it.

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astral_avocado 12 points 3 years ago
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RubberElectrons 5 points 3 years ago

It happens to all these movies. Nice when you stumble across an unheard of underground film, but then the flip happens: "HOW DOES NOBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS??"

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SloppilyFloss 26 points 3 years ago

What about America Ferrera? She matters as much as Margot Robbie and got an Oscar nomination for her role in the film.

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jivandabeast 8 points 3 years ago

This, its not a snub. Barbie got a nomination for both actor and actress in the supporting categories.

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dangblingus 17 points 3 years ago

The acting was the worst part of the Barbie movie. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching it in the theater, but no one should be surprised that Margot Robbie didn't catch the nomination when she was up against actual films with real performances in it. The acting in Barbie is just memeable moments for the internet. Mind you, Barbie being nominated for Production Design and Original Song make perfect sense and it'll probably win those categories.

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platypus_plumba 2 points 3 years ago

For me the plot was total crap. Like they just wanted men to be retards at any cost. It felt pretty sexist for a movie about equality.

It was also filled with bullshit, like the Mattel board being only male. Same for the supreme court.

It's insane that they also focused on white American women... The most privileged type of woman in the world. Real shit is happening in the middle east, not in New York.

I don't know, it was such a wasted opportunity to actually make a point... They were just too focused trying to make the perfect white woman into a victim and all the males into absolute retards.

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Saltblue 2 points 3 years ago

“white women swung their Gucci boot over the fence of oppression and stuck themselves at the front of the line”

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platypus_plumba 3 points 3 years ago

Their whole point was: "oh no, social expectations" because that's literally the only thing a white American woman can complain about.

"They want you to be nice, they want you to smile, they want you to be pretty"...

Bitch, I can give you a list of 10k lines of expectations women have for men.

"They need to be tall, they need to have money, they need a nice car, they need to provide"

I'm very impressed people actually think it was a good movie about feminism. This isn't what an oppressed woman looks like. An oppressed woman is forced to stay at home and gets her shit beat up if she tries to learn how to read.

"Oh no! The male patriarchy, they want me to dress with girly clothes, I'm oppressed!!" but they see a man wearing a skirt and they laugh.

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cymbal_king 17 points 3 years ago

I wanna take you for granted, yeah, yeah well I wiiiillll

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Wogi 9 points 3 years ago

I would love it if you would sing that song for 3 more hours

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feedum_sneedson 15 points 3 years ago

Maybe he's a better actor.

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FatTony 7 points 3 years ago

Silence!

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beefcat 11 points 3 years ago

Not surprised Robbie didn't get a Best Actress nomination, but I really felt Gerwig was a shoo-in for Best Director. Gerwig can still walk away with Best Picture and/or Best Adapted Screenplay though, so it doesn’t feel like a total snub.

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jenny_ball 11 points 3 years ago

gosling shouldn't have gotten it either

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Goldenboy 7 points 3 years ago

A woman goes out to discover herself and the world, in a movie so colorful, I constantly smiled in my seat. A man on her side that struggles with his masculinity. A parental figure that is only there for the lead to discover how far she came. A family to be part of in the end.

Poor things makes Barbies pink pale. In every aspect. Emma Stone stands without competition this year.

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dangblingus 4 points 3 years ago

Emma Stone is probably the favorite to win Best Actress.

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library_napper 6 points 3 years ago

Pleaae dont post pictures of text. Link to it. Transcribe it. Its necessary for blind folks

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CombatWombatEsq 5 points 3 years ago
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library_napper 2 points 3 years ago

Just write it in the body

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tja 1 point 3 years ago

What is your mobile client?

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CombatWombatEsq 2 points 3 years ago
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LotrOrc 5 points 3 years ago

Honestly Barbie just wasn't a good movie and it really shouldn't have gotten any nominations

It was over hyped and it was trash marketing for Matel.

And if you guys watched the movie it literally ended with Ryan gosling learning absolutely no lessons and just being like oh ok I can act like a dick and I'll still get what I want?

Killers of the flower moon was far far better than both Oppenheimer and Barbie. Honestly don't think Oppenheimer should have received so many nominations either.

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Lmaydev 5 points 3 years ago

I haven't seen it. Were those actresses really good in that film?

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OldWoodFrame 27 points 3 years ago

Greta was the director and reason the film was made as it is, I feel like she deserves the nomination.

I've seen people arguing Robbie should have gotten a nomination but I feel like "best actor" is such a crowded award that people get snubbed all the time.

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FlyingSquid 9 points 3 years ago

I agree. If anyone of the three of them- Gosling, Robbie and Gerwig deserves an Oscar, it's Greta Gerwig. And women do not win enough Oscars outside of gendered categories anyway.

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dangblingus 3 points 3 years ago

We should not put any restrictions, quota, or actions that would artificially raise someone above anyone else for an award. If the awards are for artistic merit, then that should be the criteria in which the categories are judged.

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FlyingSquid 0 points 3 years ago

There is a big difference between encouraging more female directors to be nominated and some sort of artificial thing. Greta Gerwig made the highest-grossing film in Warner Bros' 100-year history. She absolutely deserves to be nominated for best director on that alone. But she wasn't.

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dangblingus 2 points 3 years ago

Was it well directed though? Subjective. I personally don't see much in the way of a directorial effort that's worth a golden statue, but it's competently put together. Her being the primary creative force behind the movie isn't criterion in which I would nominate anyone for Best Director.

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topinambour_rex 5 points 3 years ago

I was really dissapointed to see no Mojo Dojo Casa in shops this last Christmas. It would have been a killer.

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Couplqnd 4 points 3 years ago

With all of is controversy with the Barbie movie and nominations next year we might see an expansion of the pool of nominations

Smaller how TDK changed how the best picture nomination was awarded but we could do the same thing for actor and actress nominations. After 2008 a lot of people felt that the dark night was snub for best picture, so the academy changed the number of nominations that could be awarded for best picture. Originally only five movies could be nominated for best picture but after 2008 the minimum number of best picture nominees was 10. a few years later 10 was too much so they changed it to minimum 5 and maximum of 10 nominations. I think that's a good compromise because some years have very good performances while other years have mediocre, but you can definitely find five performances that outshined everyone else and having a maximum of 10 nominations limits the number of people that can be nominated.

I personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses and instead separate them by age. Same way how the Grammys removed gender nominations, but instead for the academy. If you separate them by age, it makes more sense. Most older actors and actresses can't play roles that are for younger actors and actresses and vice versa for young artists. It is also more inclusive for trans and non-binary artists. It also evens the playing field a little bit because generally speaking older performers have more experience so it's harder for younger performers to be nominated.

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Cringe2793 2 points 3 years ago

personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses

No this would be a bad idea. Then any time a man won (or got nominated like Ryan here), people will be like "omg patriarchy". Look at what's happening now. They're not even nominated in the same category, and people are bitching. It's gonna be so much worse if this is implemented. Men can't get nominated at all.

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tomatolung 1 point 3 years ago

Great thoughts and proposals. Thank your for the history, insight, and forethought!

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4grams 3 points 3 years ago
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dangblingus 4 points 3 years ago

If I like a movie, and it doesn't get nominated for every Oscar, it was SNUBBED!

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JDubbleu 2 points 3 years ago

America Ferrera got an Oscar nomination for her performance in the movie...

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Mr_Rosewater 2 points 3 years ago

Greta did get nominated though…

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yarr 0 points 3 years ago

Maybe if it had a better plot in the first place, it would have attracted more awards. This movie will be forgotten in a decade or less.

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AlecSadler 0 points 3 years ago

Jesus fucking christ these comments.

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doctorcrimson 9 points 3 years ago
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Soulg 2 points 3 years ago

Ya gotta dive into the trenches of the bottom comments to see the truly wild

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Daiken 0 points 3 years ago

Just cause you make a movie about women doesn't mean you should get an Oscar. There were better directors and acted movies out there (in the opinion of the voters). That's why it didn't make the cut.

I personally didn't even like the movie and definitely don't think it deserves an award for best directing or acting.

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hal_5700X -1 points 3 years ago

Oh no! Some rich people didn't get nominated for some awards.

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doctorcrimson -6 points 3 years ago
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Wanderer -46 points 3 years ago

Movie is made. Women is good but meh. Man is excellent.

"Hey that guy was excellent"

Omg that's so sexist! If you wasn't sexist you would automatically say that the women is better than the man.

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WaxedWookie 15 points 3 years ago

In case you're in any doubt, people are downvoting you for your atrocious framing, obvious victim complex, and general cuntiness. The fact that most of your posts are whining about whateverthefuck woke means is just confirmation that the worms have eaten your brain.

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Wanderer -6 points 3 years ago

Gosling maybe deserved a nomination. Robbie didn't. In an equality world all is well.

Yet some people, the orignal post, have an issue with that weirdly. I see no reason why I should change my opinion.

I actually thought Barbie was fairly egalitarian and not about men doing something better and getting recognition for it. Also the oscars are separated by sex anyway so the post doesn't make any sense. Robbie got bested by other women.

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WaxedWookie 8 points 3 years ago

Your point/analysis isn't the problem - the issue is the utter nonsense and reactionary bullshit underpinning it that you're telegraphing for all to see. Your arse is showing, and I'm not sure you even realise it.

I agree with your point, but agreeing with someone practically screaming such nonsense is a pretty good reason for me to second-guess myself.

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Wanderer 0 points 3 years ago

It's called satire. Guess it is too complicated for people nowadays. The message is exactly the same as the original message.

Good job my arse is lovely! What a treat.

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Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan 6 points 3 years ago

I'm just echoing the other comment. The worms have eat your brain.

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MedicPigBabySaver -186 points 3 years ago
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yuriy 79 points 3 years ago

🤡

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blanketswithsmallpox 3 points 3 years ago

I know it's always meant to be, you're a clown... But it just looks like your username with the clown face every time, not the person you're trying to call a clown. Just sayin lol.

yuriy 🤡

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yuriy 3 points 3 years ago

well i’m just as surprised as the clown emoji to read such a shitty take, so as far as i’m concerned it still fits

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RubberElectrons 46 points 3 years ago

Lmao.

Well, those of us who've actually been intimate with and listened to women over the years understand that, while just a Hollywood movie, Barbie was a reasonably accurate commentary on how shitty this whole farce of "men do it best (yes everything)" winds up sucking for both men and women (and all in between).

What didn't you like? Did you expect a movie about toys coming to our world to have a haunting belabored plot that explored every realm of literary significance? Or are you sad that it made men being stupid actually as ridiculous as it looks?

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snooggums -1 points 3 years ago

That's funny because my wife hated it and said it was just a two hour complaint session while I thought it just did a mediocre job of conveying its message (which I agree with) at best. She absolutely hated the rant about being a woman while I thought the message was just done in the Hollywood 'character rants at a crowd' cliche instead of being done in a better way. A better way would have been ranting to her kid after something immediate prompts it instead of in a group rant removed from any immediate conflict. It just felt forced.

All of the Barbies and Kens were Hollywood movie stereotypical dumb. Yes, I know they are supposed to be dolls who are influenced by their owners or something (per stereotypical Barbie), and mostly cared for by children. But it could have had some nuance. And why are some of them smart, like Allen and Weird Barbie but not the doctor or president Barbie?

Some of the jokes seem like punch lines without any setup. Like the 'I don't have genitals' came out of nowhere and since she seemed to be confused by catcalls it made no sense for Barbie to blurt that out at that point in time.

They did not actually explain the patriarchy besides 'only men in charge'. They didn't cover how even women can prop it up, unless the Kens just saying Patriarchy over and over without any explanation was supposed to convey that. I don't know, that scene made zero sense too. Like the Kens being possibly homeless only needed a line about where they stayed at night like maybe camping on the beach and the Barbies thinking they were fine with it. Or even a two second moment of them packing up their tents at the beach in the morning. No time is needed, just context for why they might want to take over other than not being invited to girl's night.

Apparently men being in charge was bad, but they just ended up going back to only women in charge. They didn't do anything with the suggested possibility that the Kens were homeless, or that the matriarchy is just the reverse of patriarchy and they seemed to just go back to the Barbie world status quo at the end. Was that supposed to be a happy ending as an alternative to the children's understanding of how the real world is a patriarchy? Addressing that would have been great! That would at least make keeping Barbieland a matriarchy a somewhat happy ending.

So many things just came out of nowhere. Why did president business know about previous Barbies coming into the real world? Was that a bad thing? Was there something that came about from it? Are we supposed to just assume that he wanted to sort things out to avoid something? That was very unclear.

So in summary, I think all of the events of the movie could have been done far better with better writing with the exact same message, jokes needed better set ups or at least some context for them to land instead of seemingly out of nowhere, and a few things that were implied could have been addressed with a single line or a second or two for visual context.

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RubberElectrons 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks for writing this out, I can only disagree with how much exposition was actually necessary, as I think most people in the audience got the gists pretty quickly. I'm glad your wife has an opinion on it too, humans as a group are not monoliths.

Patriarchy is becoming less of a problem, the tricky part has been elevating women without weakening men. We're all still good at what we do, and should be allowed to do what we are good at if it's beneficial to society. I add that last part as a stfu to the dunce who talk-shouts "but what if they're good at murdering???".

The plot has serious holes in it, as is customary for a lot of silly Hollywood movies, hell I think a few of the holes were purposeful for the sake of absurdity. I'm not trying to make a silly movie seem deep and pretentious by enhancing writing mistakes, just laughing at the result whether intentional or not. Maybe it was a little hammy. Meh, as is customary for pop films, especially ones with retro-80s-90s styling.

I mean you've seen some of those movies from back in the day, right? All to say, your analysis is probably valid, so is mine, who cares, it was ridiculous and I laughed because of it.

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snooggums 10 points 3 years ago

I was honestly hoping for something closer to Lego Movie which did an excellent job of balancing absurdity in the context of the toys with emotional moments about relationships while also being a feature length commercial. Trying to pass off obvious plot holes as being intentional when they weren't lampshaded is just giving the movie far more credit than it deserves.

Honestly there are a ton of movies that have the same basic approach of an oblivious person in the real world learning something fairly complex while balancing silly and emotional that were done so much better.

Patriarchy is becoming less of a problem, the tricky part has been elevating women without weakening men.

Speaking as a man, there should be zero concern about weakening men while elevating women. It is not a zero sum game and men who think that it is can go fuck themselves.

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MedicPigBabySaver -49 points 3 years ago
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Nawor3565 18 points 3 years ago

Having a hard time articulating any sort of argument, huh? Need a dictionary to teach you some more words? Or maybe an English class to teach you how to form a coherent, complete sentence?

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MedicPigBabySaver -39 points 3 years ago
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Arcane_Trixster 22 points 3 years ago

Triggered, huh?

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MedicPigBabySaver -55 points 3 years ago

Everyone should be, by Hollywood crapolla.

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muse 21 points 3 years ago

Piss baby admits being triggered! Everyone laugh at the snowflake piss baby!

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MedicPigBabySaver -36 points 3 years ago
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Catoblepas 4 points 3 years ago

Why should people be triggered by “Hollywood crapolla”? This reminds me of that bit John Waters has about how a lady called the cops after renting Pink Flamingos.

Why don't they just turn it off if it's offensive? Thats what I did when "Forrest Gump" started running.

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MedicPigBabySaver -25 points 3 years ago
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FlyingSquid 4 points 3 years ago

Believe it or not, people are allowed to like things you don't like.

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AngryishHumanoid 21 points 3 years ago

Dumbfuck... can I call you "Dumbfuck"? Dumbfuck: if you had said you didn't like the concept or plot or don't like X as an actor or whatever that's fine, I wouldn't agree with you but that's fine. But to say it's just a "stupid shit movie" means ignoring excellent sets, excellent costumes, excellent casting, excellent cinematography, excellent writing, excellent line delivery, excellent music, etc. Not every great movie has good all of those things, this one did, so even if you didn't like the message (which cleverly switched throughout the movie) any of those things still gives you something to appreciate. Unless you're really fucking dumb, Dumbfuck.

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MedicPigBabySaver -58 points 3 years ago

Clearly, you're the dumb fuck.

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Riccosuave 11 points 3 years ago

Hmmm....this seems like something a dumb-fuck would say to deflect from their own dumb-fuckery, so I'm a bit skeptical 🫤 🤔 😘

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MedicPigBabySaver -33 points 3 years ago
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Voyajer 20 points 3 years ago

What was the movie about according to you?

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TropicalDingdong 5 points 3 years ago

I still haven't seen it. Please hold back from spoilers.

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Wogi 15 points 3 years ago

It's about Beach.

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TropicalDingdong 5 points 3 years ago

Damn now I never see

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SeabassDan 11 points 3 years ago

Ken kills Dumbledore

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MedicPigBabySaver -60 points 3 years ago

How dogs shit next to trees.

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