Love this welcome page after Firefox updated

3 years ago by Napain to c/firefox

Shots fired 🔥

Moonrise2473 120 points 3 years ago

those tables usually are wrong or misleading, i don't like them.

Edge for example has the 3rd party cookie blocking and it works ok, so why it's "no" and not "somewhat" or similar?

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Downcount 53 points 3 years ago

I dont see the line "3rd party cookie blocking"

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Moonrise2473 27 points 3 years ago

should be "prevent sites from tracking". Or they carefully chose that sentence in order to give a "no" to edge and "somewhat" to chrome and opera

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lemann 22 points 3 years ago

Firefox uses a built-in domain blocklist for tracking protection, in addition to blocking third party cookies

Although that would not explain why Chrome and Opera pass that at all to begin with IMO. Maybe these browsers enforce their own additional data silos or other deviations from specs when in Private Browsing mode. I know Chrome for example shrinks the storage provision for various JS APIs down to practically nothing when in Incognito mode, which can break things like Teams Web etc when you start sharing files.

Either way though all marketing ever is, is just a selection of carefully chosen words. In this case, browsers too, as there's no Brave there (I'm not a fan of Brave anyway, but worth noting)

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Rodeo 4 points 3 years ago

Precisely why these "feature comparisons" are bogus.

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fine_sandy_bottom 3 points 3 years ago

It's this.

Firefox' total cookie protection does not block third party cookies, it isolates them in separate jars for each website....

Total Cookie Protection works by creating a separate “cookie jar” for each website you visit. Instead of allowing trackers to link up your behavior on multiple sites, they just get to see behavior on individual sites. Any time a website, or third-party content embedded in a website, deposits a cookie in your browser, that cookie is confined to the cookie jar assigned to only that website. No other websites can reach into the cookie jars that don’t belong to them and find out what the other websites’ cookies know about you — giving you freedom from invasive ads and reducing the amount of information companies gather about you.

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Cheradenine 15 points 3 years ago

The 'Enforce users choice' is just GPC on by default I believe. Which means nothing since it is still voluntary.

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ColeSloth 9 points 3 years ago

By that logic Linux supports windows because I can run it using wine.

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Zagorath 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah I’m confused about what tracking Chrome blocks that Chredge does not.

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fossphi 2 points 3 years ago

Does it, though? Or does Microsoft come under the second party label

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Moonrise2473 4 points 3 years ago

if i enable it, most websites don't load ads at all, including MSN news that's ad-ridden

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ares35 5 points 3 years ago

the 'msn news' that most people see is the 'start' page that's baked into the edge browser. ubo does not work on it. for users that actually want that page, i clean up the start page settings and throw a bookmark to msn.com on their toolbar instead so ubo works.

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Infiltrated_ad8271 64 points 3 years ago

I think this is a shitpost of the highest order. If this appears to everyone (?) it adds nothing, and the crappy table is just astonishingly blatant cherry-picking.

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sugar_in_your_tea 57 points 3 years ago

That's how all these tables are. If a vendor presents a table comparing themselves to competitors, it's going to be cherry picked.

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1984 15 points 3 years ago

I think it's a work of love. :)

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oce 5 points 3 years ago

It seems to trigger discussions like yours, so it's good, a forum is for discussion.

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fine_sandy_bottom 1 point 3 years ago

astonishingly blatant cherry-picking

Did you expect them to create a table showing how mediocre they are?

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TrickDacy -30 points 3 years ago

Chrome and Google 4 LYFE bro!

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DangerousInternet 1 point 3 years ago
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TrickDacy 0 points 3 years ago

What a weird and false belief to randomly take

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DangerousInternet 0 points 3 years ago
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Walop 62 points 3 years ago

I like using Firefox, but it's a bit ironic to have google analytics tracking on the page you declare to protect the users privacy.

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joyjoy 23 points 3 years ago

They never claimed firefox.com was privacy focused. Only your browser.

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EvolvedTurtle 7 points 3 years ago

Just doesn't sit well But at least it's open source

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elgordio 59 points 3 years ago path: 0 7032943, hotness: undefined, score: 59, children: 4
Kuro 13 points 3 years ago

Copy without tracking has been hit or miss for me on Firefox

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LinkOpensChest_wav 14 points 3 years ago

I just gave up and went back to using ClearURLs add-on. Nothing else seems to work as reliably, not even adding rules to uBO.

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Aatube 1 point 3 years ago

I don't use ClearURLs because it breaks some websites and doesn't implement a blacklist

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LinkOpensChest_wav 3 points 3 years ago

Really? I haven't had it break anything at all.

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1984 29 points 3 years ago

I didn't get that but I guess because I have a plugin to give me nice backgrounds on new tabs.

But yeah, shots fired. Nice!

The only issue is that only already existing Firefox users see this, and we already know this.

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TeaEarlGrayHot 5 points 3 years ago

Tabbliss represent

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chriscz 2 points 3 years ago

Yassssss

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overcast5348 1 point 3 years ago

What's the extension for nice backgrounds on new tabs?

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bigMouthCommie -1 points 3 years ago

I use "renewed tab"

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overcast5348 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks!

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waz 1 point 3 years ago

True, but I can share it with friends who already think I'm weird because I use Linux and they can have another reason why they think I am weird.

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stebo02 1 point 3 years ago
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sarmale 21 points 3 years ago

Every brother has one of these on their site, and somehow that browser always wins

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possiblylinux127 2 points 3 years ago

So does Simplex Chat.

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Jarix 20 points 3 years ago

Im just over here using firefox since it was still netscape navigator 2.0.

Another update? Okay

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DannyMac 18 points 3 years ago

They need to add a row for "Owned by a foreign superpower""Owned by the Chinese government" and a check for Opera.

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svgeesus 53 points 3 years ago

@DannyMac @Napain They are all owned by foreign powers.
Oh, your definition of "foreign" is non-US?

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RGB3x3 17 points 3 years ago

Everyone knows the world is divided into:

  • United States
  • Everyone Else
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acockworkorange 6 points 3 years ago

How is Mozilla owned by the US government?

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grue 12 points 3 years ago

On one hand, yeah. On the other hand, that could be a point in its favor, depending on your threat model. After all, if you're American, China can't prosecute you for secrets it learns from Opera the way the FBI could prosecute you for secrets it learns from Google.

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c0mbatbag3l 1 point 3 years ago

On the third hand it's pointless cause they all buy each other's data anyways.

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MonkderZweite 2 points 3 years ago
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Vrtrx 9 points 3 years ago

Honestly I don't see the reason they put that there. I already own Firefox why are you trying to win me over?

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sab 28 points 3 years ago

People tend to have multiple browsers. You might have FireFox installed but still not be aware why you should use it over other browsers on your computer.

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Trainguyrom 4 points 3 years ago

This is a very good reason to put this kind of page in. For less computer savvy people, they may vaguely know "if I click this fox icon it takes me to the Internet and so does this colorful circle and this blue swoosh, so it's all the same" but when they accidentally open one they use less often, seeing something like this might push their preference a little for which one they open

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ares35 1 point 3 years ago

i do the multiple browsers thing, but it's firefox, firefox developer, and librewolf (i also have a seamonkey and a waterfox on one system). and they can all run at the same time without conflicting with another.

the few instances where i need a chromium-based one, it's a fresh 'install' of a portable 'alternative' like vivaldi or opera from portableapps (or via appimage on linux) and then deleted when i'm done with it.

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sugar_in_your_tea 4 points 3 years ago

You're not a typical user or the target audience.

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Vrtrx 1 point 3 years ago

Oh that makes sense. I just assumed people who have Firefox would know stuff like that since Chrome is usually the one people know about but yeah it could have already been in the OC or they just searched for a different one randomly.

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tcrash 9 points 3 years ago
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doublejay1999 7 points 3 years ago

I love that Brave isn’t even listed

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DangerousInternet 2 points 3 years ago
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TrickDacy 5 points 3 years ago

Yes, because it supports an asshole bigot and a company that has repeatedly lied about the core premise of their existence, so it's not worth even acknowledging

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I_Has_A_Hat 3 points 3 years ago

Because it would be poor marketing for FF to show another browser with similar features?

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simin 6 points 3 years ago

be sure to run on top of linux otherwise...

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CynicusRex 5 points 3 years ago

Conveniently excluding Vivaldi browser.

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lud 48 points 3 years ago

They included the biggest browsers. They don't need to include every single browser in existence.

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Wiz 7 points 3 years ago

Youch, that's just mean!

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grue 22 points 3 years ago

I know, right? Where's my entry for lynx, dang it?!

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LinkOpensChest_wav 6 points 3 years ago

Holy crap, do people still use lynx? (asked in an endearing tone)

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FauxPseudo 2 points 3 years ago

If it's going to be about privacy, they should at least include the privacy oriented browsers even if they aren't the biggest ones out there.

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Zrybew -4 points 3 years ago

And DuckDuckGo Browser

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UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT 1 point 3 years ago

And lynx

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mostlikelyaperson -39 points 3 years ago

And Brave too, which inconveniently beats firefox hands down in independent privacy checks. The mozilla foundation finally needs to step it up.

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RmDebArc_5 41 points 3 years ago

That heavily depends. Brave may have better advice/tracker blocking by default, but they send more telemetry. Them being an advertising company also doesn’t speak for them. Brave is a decent browser and on IOS/IPadOS a good option for open source + Adblock, but max privacy would be reconfigured Firefox or Librewolf.

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Vincent 9 points 3 years ago

Everyone's just trying to strike a balance between protecting privacy and preserving usability - it's not as simple as just enabling the strictest privacy protections, consequences be damned. Case in point: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/...

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GregorTacTac -28 points 3 years ago

I have no idea why you were down voted. These are facts, not opinions

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grue 20 points 3 years ago

Fact: Brave is a protection racket wrapped in a crypto scam.

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LinkOpensChest_wav 14 points 3 years ago

Even if it weren't for the crypto, Brave's CEO is one sleazy, untrustworthy motherfucker. I'd never put my privacy in his hands. Just an absolute dogshit reputation.

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Trainguyrom 8 points 3 years ago

It's also yet another Chromium fork which if there's one thing the world does not need more of, it's Chromium forks

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I_Has_A_Hat -9 points 3 years ago

Fact: your opinion is based on snippets of things you heard online and doesn't actually match reality 🤷

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DangerousInternet -18 points 3 years ago
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kilgore_trout 17 points 3 years ago

Everyone who disagrees with you is.

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focalors 1 point 3 years ago

If only Firefox on Android doesn't refresh the pages every time I switch to another app and back to Firefox (and even showing only black screen), just to input 2FA code or card detail. It becomes really annoying.

The desktop browser is pretty fine though.

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MP3Martin 3 points 3 years ago

Android is really aggressive with killing background apps

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mlg -1 points 3 years ago

I'd rather them just put up the results of the chrome lawsuit rather than a marketing table lol.

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Carighan -8 points 3 years ago

You love it?

I bet you hate Google doing self ads?
Yet this is also just a self ad. And spammy, because it pops open a tab, something browsers are supposed to suppress unless specifically enabled.

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TheGrandNagus 25 points 3 years ago

This is a false equivalence.

If Google advertises the merits of their browser within their browser, like Mozilla is doing here, then that's fair enough, I have zero complaints about that. Why not have a welcome page when you install the browser, highlighting the benefits of using your product?

If Google is utilising their other products to unfairly give themselves a leg up in advertising their browser, then yeah, I'm against that.

If I search on Google (the de facto standard), I shouldn't have popups telling me to use Chrome. If I watch a YouTube video, Google shouldn't be allowed to place Chrome ads there.

Same goes for MS relentlessly advertising Edge in Windows and forcing it into other Microsoft programs.

Those are examples of companies abusing their monopolistic market position to gain a business advantage, which is illegal. It's nothing like Mozilla having a Firefox ad within Firefox.

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irmoz 7 points 3 years ago

I tend to agree here. It's like Netflix showing banners of what content they have, on their own site.

"Here are some features of this product you have!" Intrusive, maybe, but not like they're directing you away to pay more money.

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 3 years ago

But what about Duckduckgo advertising its browser on its search homepage? Would that be a problem too? Or is it only because Google has a dominant position in search?

Would it be an issue for Apple to advertise its browser on macOS? Every time I get a system update on macOS, I get a "what's new" thing for Safari, even though I never use it (Firefox is my default browser on my work computer). Is that okay? Is it okay if Microsoft does it as well?

What about Mullvad advertising its browser on its webpage, which is selling a VPN service? Mullvad Browser integrates Mullvad VPN features, so it's directly related, kind of like how Chrome integrates Google Search features and Safari integrates macOS features.

I'm not sure where I stand here. Saying company X can't do what company Y can do just because company X has a dominant position just feels wrong. I'm all for attacking abuse of dominance, I just think this argument is a little weak.

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TheGrandNagus 2 points 3 years ago

The abuse of market position makes it far worse, and I'd argue illegal under existing competition law.

Your other examples are annoyances for sure, but not straight up anti-competitive/probably illegal.

The way you describe the MacOS one makes it sound like a system update change log, an entirely different thing.

Saying company X can't do what company Y can do just because company X has a dominant position just feels wrong

Why?

One would be abusing monopolistic power, the other isn't.

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 3 years ago

The way you describe the MacOS one makes it sound like a system update change log, an entirely different thing.

Yeah, it's a "what's new" OS update, but that includes Safari features, which isn't strictly an OS thing. Microsoft got a lot of flak for including IE with the OS (well, a bit more than that, they tried to block Netscape from accessing "private" APIs that IE had access to), and it seems to follow that Apple should get a similar amount of flak for having an unfair advantage with Safari having access to OS features before anything else.

One would be abusing monopolistic power, the other isn’t.

Is advertising "abusing monopolistic power"? I get Microsoft getting hit with anti-trust because they actively prevented competition, but both MS and Apple advertise their other products through their OS (e.g. IE and Safari, Office 365 and iCloud, etc).

Google should absolutely get hit with anti-trust when they are shown to make their sites perform worse on other browser engines (happens a lot w/ Firefox, where just changing user-agent improves perf). But I'm not so sure that they should be hit with anti-trust for advertising their other products, because that's an establish practice.

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lqdrchrd 1 point 3 years ago

Tell me about it. I use nothing but Firefox right now and I hate these intrusive ads. Of course, there’s no built in way to disable it, when it could very easily be a toggle.

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