Shots fired 🔥
Shots fired 🔥
should be "prevent sites from tracking". Or they carefully chose that sentence in order to give a "no" to edge and "somewhat" to chrome and opera
Firefox uses a built-in domain blocklist for tracking protection, in addition to blocking third party cookies
Although that would not explain why Chrome and Opera pass that at all to begin with IMO. Maybe these browsers enforce their own additional data silos or other deviations from specs when in Private Browsing mode. I know Chrome for example shrinks the storage provision for various JS APIs down to practically nothing when in Incognito mode, which can break things like Teams Web etc when you start sharing files.
Either way though all marketing ever is, is just a selection of carefully chosen words. In this case, browsers too, as there's no Brave there (I'm not a fan of Brave anyway, but worth noting)
It's this.
Firefox' total cookie protection does not block third party cookies, it isolates them in separate jars for each website....
Total Cookie Protection works by creating a separate “cookie jar” for each website you visit. Instead of allowing trackers to link up your behavior on multiple sites, they just get to see behavior on individual sites. Any time a website, or third-party content embedded in a website, deposits a cookie in your browser, that cookie is confined to the cookie jar assigned to only that website. No other websites can reach into the cookie jars that don’t belong to them and find out what the other websites’ cookies know about you — giving you freedom from invasive ads and reducing the amount of information companies gather about you.
The 'Enforce users choice' is just GPC on by default I believe. Which means nothing since it is still voluntary.
if i enable it, most websites don't load ads at all, including MSN news that's ad-ridden
the 'msn news' that most people see is the 'start' page that's baked into the edge browser. ubo does not work on it. for users that actually want that page, i clean up the start page settings and throw a bookmark to msn.com on their toolbar instead so ubo works.
I think this is a shitpost of the highest order. If this appears to everyone (?) it adds nothing, and the crappy table is just astonishingly blatant cherry-picking.
That's how all these tables are. If a vendor presents a table comparing themselves to competitors, it's going to be cherry picked.
astonishingly blatant cherry-picking
Did you expect them to create a table showing how mediocre they are?
Just doesn't sit well But at least it's open source
Safari needs a tick in “copy urls without site tracking” since ios17 and macOS Sonoma
I just gave up and went back to using ClearURLs add-on. Nothing else seems to work as reliably, not even adding rules to uBO.
Really? I haven't had it break anything at all.
I didn't get that but I guess because I have a plugin to give me nice backgrounds on new tabs.
But yeah, shots fired. Nice!
The only issue is that only already existing Firefox users see this, and we already know this.
Tabbliss represent
What's the extension for nice backgrounds on new tabs?
I use "renewed tab"
Thanks!
So does Simplex Chat.
How is Mozilla owned by the US government?
On one hand, yeah. On the other hand, that could be a point in its favor, depending on your threat model. After all, if you're American, China can't prosecute you for secrets it learns from Opera the way the FBI could prosecute you for secrets it learns from Google.
On the third hand it's pointless cause they all buy each other's data anyways.
This is a very good reason to put this kind of page in. For less computer savvy people, they may vaguely know "if I click this fox icon it takes me to the Internet and so does this colorful circle and this blue swoosh, so it's all the same" but when they accidentally open one they use less often, seeing something like this might push their preference a little for which one they open
i do the multiple browsers thing, but it's firefox, firefox developer, and librewolf (i also have a seamonkey and a waterfox on one system). and they can all run at the same time without conflicting with another.
the few instances where i need a chromium-based one, it's a fresh 'install' of a portable 'alternative' like vivaldi or opera from portableapps (or via appimage on linux) and then deleted when i'm done with it.
You're not a typical user or the target audience.
Oh that makes sense. I just assumed people who have Firefox would know stuff like that since Chrome is usually the one people know about but yeah it could have already been in the OC or they just searched for a different one randomly.
I love that Brave isn’t even listed
Because it would be poor marketing for FF to show another browser with similar features?
Conveniently excluding Vivaldi browser.
Holy crap, do people still use lynx? (asked in an endearing tone)
If it's going to be about privacy, they should at least include the privacy oriented browsers even if they aren't the biggest ones out there.
And lynx
And Brave too, which inconveniently beats firefox hands down in independent privacy checks. The mozilla foundation finally needs to step it up.
That heavily depends. Brave may have better advice/tracker blocking by default, but they send more telemetry. Them being an advertising company also doesn’t speak for them. Brave is a decent browser and on IOS/IPadOS a good option for open source + Adblock, but max privacy would be reconfigured Firefox or Librewolf.
Everyone's just trying to strike a balance between protecting privacy and preserving usability - it's not as simple as just enabling the strictest privacy protections, consequences be damned. Case in point: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/...
I have no idea why you were down voted. These are facts, not opinions
Even if it weren't for the crypto, Brave's CEO is one sleazy, untrustworthy motherfucker. I'd never put my privacy in his hands. Just an absolute dogshit reputation.
It's also yet another Chromium fork which if there's one thing the world does not need more of, it's Chromium forks
Fact: your opinion is based on snippets of things you heard online and doesn't actually match reality 🤷
Everyone who disagrees with you is.
If only Firefox on Android doesn't refresh the pages every time I switch to another app and back to Firefox (and even showing only black screen), just to input 2FA code or card detail. It becomes really annoying.
The desktop browser is pretty fine though.
This is a false equivalence.
If Google advertises the merits of their browser within their browser, like Mozilla is doing here, then that's fair enough, I have zero complaints about that. Why not have a welcome page when you install the browser, highlighting the benefits of using your product?
If Google is utilising their other products to unfairly give themselves a leg up in advertising their browser, then yeah, I'm against that.
If I search on Google (the de facto standard), I shouldn't have popups telling me to use Chrome. If I watch a YouTube video, Google shouldn't be allowed to place Chrome ads there.
Same goes for MS relentlessly advertising Edge in Windows and forcing it into other Microsoft programs.
Those are examples of companies abusing their monopolistic market position to gain a business advantage, which is illegal. It's nothing like Mozilla having a Firefox ad within Firefox.
I tend to agree here. It's like Netflix showing banners of what content they have, on their own site.
"Here are some features of this product you have!" Intrusive, maybe, but not like they're directing you away to pay more money.
But what about Duckduckgo advertising its browser on its search homepage? Would that be a problem too? Or is it only because Google has a dominant position in search?
Would it be an issue for Apple to advertise its browser on macOS? Every time I get a system update on macOS, I get a "what's new" thing for Safari, even though I never use it (Firefox is my default browser on my work computer). Is that okay? Is it okay if Microsoft does it as well?
What about Mullvad advertising its browser on its webpage, which is selling a VPN service? Mullvad Browser integrates Mullvad VPN features, so it's directly related, kind of like how Chrome integrates Google Search features and Safari integrates macOS features.
I'm not sure where I stand here. Saying company X can't do what company Y can do just because company X has a dominant position just feels wrong. I'm all for attacking abuse of dominance, I just think this argument is a little weak.
The abuse of market position makes it far worse, and I'd argue illegal under existing competition law.
Your other examples are annoyances for sure, but not straight up anti-competitive/probably illegal.
The way you describe the MacOS one makes it sound like a system update change log, an entirely different thing.
Saying company X can't do what company Y can do just because company X has a dominant position just feels wrong
Why?
One would be abusing monopolistic power, the other isn't.
The way you describe the MacOS one makes it sound like a system update change log, an entirely different thing.
Yeah, it's a "what's new" OS update, but that includes Safari features, which isn't strictly an OS thing. Microsoft got a lot of flak for including IE with the OS (well, a bit more than that, they tried to block Netscape from accessing "private" APIs that IE had access to), and it seems to follow that Apple should get a similar amount of flak for having an unfair advantage with Safari having access to OS features before anything else.
One would be abusing monopolistic power, the other isn’t.
Is advertising "abusing monopolistic power"? I get Microsoft getting hit with anti-trust because they actively prevented competition, but both MS and Apple advertise their other products through their OS (e.g. IE and Safari, Office 365 and iCloud, etc).
Google should absolutely get hit with anti-trust when they are shown to make their sites perform worse on other browser engines (happens a lot w/ Firefox, where just changing user-agent improves perf). But I'm not so sure that they should be hit with anti-trust for advertising their other products, because that's an establish practice.
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those tables usually are wrong or misleading, i don't like them.
Edge for example has the 3rd party cookie blocking and it works ok, so why it's "no" and not "somewhat" or similar?
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