Pauses on embryo transfers out of Alabama leave IVF patients with few options

3 years ago by MicroWave to c/news

Some fertility clinics and transport services are worried about shipping embryos following the Alabama Supreme Court's ruling that embryos are children.

Some fertility clinics and shipping services plan to hold off on sending frozen embryos from Alabama to other states as they weigh the legal implications of an Alabama court ruling that says embryos created through in vitro fertilization are children.

Many doctors and patients are confused about which elements of fertility treatment are restricted, following the Alabama Supreme Court decision last week, and at least three Alabama providers have paused IVF services. Some IVF patients have considered moving their embryos out of the state to continue the process elsewhere, only to learn that the option isn't available to them right now.

STOMPYI 49 points 3 years ago

if you live in alabama the most important thing you can do in your life is leave. even if you have to sleep in your car for a summer while you settle in a safer less insane state. This is what I'd be doing I'd walk myself out if I had nothing,

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iAmTheTot 37 points 3 years ago

With due respect, that's really easy to say when you're not the one who would be homeless.

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STOMPYI 11 points 3 years ago

I've been homeless so I at least broach this with empathy. Have you been homeless also? Is that how we qualify what we can say what?

Everything is easy to say btw. Except worstichire that ones tough to say

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Llewellyn -3 points 3 years ago

Even if that experience was tolerable for you, that doesn't mean it would be tolerable for others. To the hell with extremities.

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STOMPYI 1 point 3 years ago

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STOMPYI 1 point 3 years ago

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moistclump 5 points 3 years ago

I thought that too but also wondered about people with kids or people $15,000+ into fertility treatments. Who these political shenanigans have the most immediate affect on.

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STOMPYI 2 points 3 years ago

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ptz 1 point 3 years ago

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Boozilla 28 points 3 years ago

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EdibleFriend 16 points 3 years ago

Anytime something bad happens as a result of their voting habits they just blame Obama.

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Omegamanthethird 9 points 3 years ago

I would rather more blue voters move to these red states and flip them. But you know, convincing 1 million of California's 40 million to move to Alabama is a tall order.

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captainlezbian 6 points 3 years ago

As a blue voter in a red state (I grew up here) there’s a real problem with that of you have to live here. Also if Californians could please stop coming here actually that would be nice. California conservatives keep coming here and acting like it’s some great place where they can be super conservative and talk down to us midwestern yokels. Like motherfucker you moved to one of the bluest cities in the Midwest, it’s not our fault our state suffered brain drain and went red as a result, also quit with your Orange County bullshit.

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FunkPhenomenon 4 points 3 years ago

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azimir 25 points 3 years ago

So... if you are in possession of a embryo and you're not the DNA donor for it and you ship it to another clinic across state lines, wouldn't that be child trafficking?

As we continue to go down this dark path, eventually the people who run healthcare facilities are going to have to set up their own underground railroad to escape the state before they're arrested doing basic healthcare activities.

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LufyCZ 10 points 3 years ago

Not a lawyer but wouldn't it then be a federal issue?

It then depends on what the federal courts think about the embryo=child issue.

Maybe the state could still prosecute you for possible state crimes, but dunno

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HaywardT 6 points 3 years ago

For God's sake don't take pictures of them.

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brygphilomena 4 points 3 years ago

If you transport it across state lines with intent to implant it, is it transport a minor to another state for sex?

If you transport it and then don't use/destroy it, is it conspiracy to commit murder? Even if the "murder" is in another state, they can show the intent started in Alabama so you get the conspiracy fun.

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Cuttlefish1111 3 points 3 years ago

I can see the owners of the clinics being personally liable financially

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FunkPhenomenon 1 point 3 years ago

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OhStopYellingAtMe 15 points 3 years ago

They could just say they’re shipping the embryos to Matt Gaetz because he wants to fuck ‘em.

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bradorsomething 11 points 3 years ago

Is this fertility clinic licensed as a day care?

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FaceDeer 9 points 3 years ago

Many of those embryos are old enough that they should be going to school. They're truant.

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RagingRobot 2 points 3 years ago

How many embryos can I claim on my taxes?

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tsonfeir 7 points 3 years ago

Thats kidnapping

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OhmsLawn 3 points 3 years ago

Need two signatures, one from each parent, to cross state lines.

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tsonfeir 0 points 3 years ago

I guess we have to identify all the sperm donors and have them sign. Or pay child support.

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Lemminary -1 points 3 years ago

"Sir, you need to pay for the electricity bill of your freezer. It's not gonna freeze itself, you know!"

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PrincessLeiasCat 5 points 3 years ago

I don’t understand why they can’t continue the IVF - it’s the only way for the embryo to “grow” or “advance”. In a way, and using their logic, it’s denying them a chance at life.

What’s their intent? To keep them there forever, despite the intent of the parents who want to implant them?

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ech 19 points 3 years ago

The state isn't (specifically) stopping it, the companies are. And can you really blame them when they're apparently facing manslaughter chargesconvictions if a fuse blows?

*edited for accuracy

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PrincessLeiasCat 4 points 3 years ago

Ah, I misunderstood. And no, I can’t blame them.

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