Leftist game be like

3 years ago by Alsephina to c/memes

BluJay320 63 points 3 years ago

Great game, don’t buy it.

Original devs won’t get any of the money cause they got pushed out. Pirate it instead like me

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CephalonFaye 24 points 3 years ago

In a way it's kinda poetic that Disco Elysium was destroyed by corporate greed. That being said, it's a great shame that the original creators were robbed of the beautiful world they created. Fuck ZA/UM.

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CaptainMinnette 13 points 3 years ago

A couple of the original writers were pushed out, including the lead writer, early on. The rest of the original writers were fired just recently. I don't know how many of the original developers of Disco are still left at the company, but they were already paid for their work on the game. Regardless of who owns it, they weren't going to see extra money (unless the firm has become a co-op, which it should have always been).

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Trollception -11 points 3 years ago

That's like you buying a car and when you try to sell it the next person tells you they won't pay anything for it, in fact they are going to straight up steal it like some criminal.

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WallEx 60 points 3 years ago

How is disco Elysium leftist? Didnt play it, so honestly asking

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Alsephina 94 points 3 years ago

It's very leftist; the dialogue is full of political speak with honest critiques of different ideologies. The story itself is set in Revachol, a place where a communist revolution was crushed by the Coalition (a foreign capitalist military alliance of the most powerful countries and somewhat of a stand-in for NATO), similar to what happened to Libya and the USSR.

The game centers around you (a cop) trying to solve a murder mystery that has something to do with the local Dockworkers' Union striking for overtime pay, workplace democracy etc from a megacorporation.

Alot of the creators are also communists, as you can see from one of the (ex) writers for the game recently saying that the workplace culture after the recent lay-offs of alot of the writers was like "transitioning from the Soviet Union to the fascist Russian Federation"

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Evotech 7 points 3 years ago

How's that different from call of duty being a capitalist mouthpiece

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Khrux 23 points 3 years ago

Because the quality of Disco Elysium comes from it feeling like a piece if art that stays with you, it is absolutely written by left leaning writers but it's mature and elegant in it's storytelling tbaf happens to revolve around those ideologies.

Call of duty is a for-profit propaganda tool of the US government that is rimarily a multiplayer arena shooter designed to optimise profits due to gaming addictions while passively normalising American world police imperialism.

Apologies for any typos I wrote this while drunk.

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menemen 3 points 3 years ago

Last CoD I played was 2. Crazy what this at that time really cool franchise became.

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MindSkipperBro12 2 points 3 years ago

If being the world police is wrong then I don’t wanna be right!

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Lyrac 13 points 3 years ago

who here said anything about call of duty?

edit: in case you were genuinely asking in good faith, it's different because disco elysium is not a capitalist mouthpiece

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Evotech 4 points 3 years ago

It's just weird that people call games political as if it's unusual in the first place, and what'sa bad thing.

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PunnyName 4 points 3 years ago

It is.

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Gormadt 1 point 3 years ago

what happened in Libya

NATO only got involved in Libya after the civil war was in full swing and Gaddafi's regime had been commiting crimes against humanity vs the civilian population where people were showing support for not his regime.

And NATO only went in with the authorization of the UN Security Council, and the left when the Security Council told them to (against the wishes of the newly formed government after the death of Gaddafi)

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Alsephina 17 points 3 years ago

NATO only got involved in Libya after the civil war was in full swing

"The country was already in a terrible state after we funded countless insurgencies in it since forcing them to give up self-defence programs. We just went in and finished the job."

Libya had gone from one of the poorest countries in the world to having the highest human development index of any country in Africa by 2010 under the Socialist government, and became a powerful anti-capitalist force in Africa. The US and UK forced Libya to give up their nuclear weapons program in 2003 and used the resulting lack of a deterrent to fund insugencies in the country, then used that as a casus belli to invade and destroy it in 2011.

Come on, we've seen this play out time and time again with the US and its allies (or the Imperial core in general). Be it the wars in Vietnam, Cuba, Afganistan or the countless coup's against leftist governments in Africa and Latin America. Every single time saying that their governments are bad or something as an excuse to invade and destroy a threat to imperialism, as if them waging wars and killing people on the other side of the world is supposed to improve something.

We're literally watching this happen in Palestine right now with the US-backed "israel" forcing Palestinians to use armed resistance against their oppressors, then using that as a casus belli by calling it "terrorism" to invade and commit the ongoing genocide.

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DragonTypeWyvern -4 points 3 years ago

Bro, Gaddafi literally had rape rooms in his palace.

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vzq 48 points 3 years ago

It’s a highly political game in general, and it’s pretty obvious the critiques of communism were written by insiders.

It’s also the best illustration of the complexities of investigative police work I’ve ever seen in a computer game.

It’s also a lot of dialogue. But the voice acting is superb.

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DragonTypeWyvern 36 points 3 years ago

Themes and dialogue? It pretty clearly favors the more anti-authoritarian forms of socialism while heavily criticizing communism and fascism. The ultra-liberals come off the best of the lot but it's also made clear that they offer no solutions to the problems the city has and capital will always call the shots at the expense of workers.

Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that's just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.

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Chariotwheel 26 points 3 years ago

I also liked that it doesn't say that all followers of an ideology are good or bad people. A lot of media that tries to tackle ideologies just make everyone in the general direction of an opposing ideology horrible people. In Disco Elysium is not as black and white. There are good and bad people in every broad ideology. Are you a bad person, just because you believe in capitalism? No. Are you a good person, just because you believe in communism? Also no. Disco Elysium is very nuanced while making it's cases.

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betheydocrime 5 points 3 years ago

There was a good Royalist? I'm guessing you mean Rene, because it sure wasn't Gary the Cryptofascist or Measurehead or the Racist Lorry Driver. Imo the only thing that stopped Rene from becoming someone like Dros were his relationships with Gaston and Evrart. If he had been "alone" the way Dros was then the investigation may have gone quite differently

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Ethalis 12 points 3 years ago

It's very reminiscent of the Paris commune, where Parisian pre-marxist socialists were killed almost to the last by the french army after they'd built a short-lived commune. It was basically the end of the Proudhonist idea of socialism (no gods, no masters), which provided space for Marxism to take over in France and particularly in Paris.

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vzq 3 points 3 years ago

Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that's just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.

Or maybe they were really good at coming up with stuff, but really bad at managing projects. And when the organization grew to more than a few people they couldn’t handle it anymore and couldn’t deliver on what they had committed to.

Everyone has a story in this particular screw up, and while I really would like the moral to be “capitalism bad/creatives good”, it sounds like your average SME implosion.

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DragonTypeWyvern 5 points 3 years ago

"Hey, all the creators keep saying this went down, but I do love the taste of corpro cock, so I'm just going to make up my own version."

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vzq -5 points 3 years ago

It’s been pretty widely documented from all sides. You might want to widen your reading habits if you think it’s cut and dried.

It’s very much not.

Also “taste corpro cock”? Are you twelve? Isn’t it past your bed time?

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MindSkipperBro12 1 point 3 years ago

How did the creators get screwed over?

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DragonTypeWyvern 0 points 3 years ago

There's a lot out there about this, you'd be better off searching for articles or videos on the topic.

https://www.reddit.com/...

There's a lot to be said about these dramas always being more complex than an outsider can fully understand, not to mention no one having time for 2 hour YouTube deep dives on video game drama, but I think ultimately the result speaks for itself.

An artist collective created an amazing game with real staying power in the industry, and then the business majors forced all them out and didn't even manage to keep pumping out mediocre products in the process, much less more greatness.

That's why I'll never understand the kneejerk bootlickers, the corporate ghouls weren't even good at being ghouls! They killed the goose and then burned the meat! They could have exploited those nerds for DECADES!

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MindSkipperBro12 3 points 3 years ago

I believe the devs are proud marxists, they thanked Marx and Engels when the game won many awards.

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flamingos 48 points 3 years ago

Nerd at computer: I wonder who killed this person. Disco Elysium: a bunch of unreadable text. Nerd at computer: you are absolutly correct it is now my life mission to destroy the Moralintern.

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Fish 45 points 3 years ago

If you are planning on getting into this game, just don't pay for it. I'm not saying don't play it, just don't pay for it. The original devs were all stolen from and pushed out of their organization (ZA/UM).

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ICastFist 15 points 3 years ago

Got a link for the story? Sounds like something I want to read in depth. I have bought DE on my GOG account but have yet to play it

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Olgratin_Magmatoe 30 points 3 years ago

Gross ass reddit link, but seems to explain it well enough:

https://www.reddit.com/...

Tl;DR: Group of friends made a RPG setting & book, and then decided they wanted to turn it into a game. All with heavy anti-capitalist, leftist themes. But they needed money to make game, so they brought in some investors who later fucked them over and forced the original creators out so they could make even more money.

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redcalcium 15 points 3 years ago

It's ironic that game about communism being destroyed by capitalism, get destroyed by capitalism itself.

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abbenm 25 points 3 years ago

I love the implication that reading books is bad

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bruhduh 9 points 3 years ago

That'll make your brain wrinkle, wrinkles ain't beautiful duh /s

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yamanii 24 points 3 years ago

Shame the company and creator was destroyed by exactly what they criticized, People Make Games should feel bad for having done that stupid vídeo.

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evlogii 19 points 3 years ago

Disco Elysium: Final Cut resembles more of an immersive audiobook experience, featuring exceptional narrators. As someone with ADHD, focusing on text can be challenging for me, but the audio format greatly enhances my engagement and comprehension.

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runjun 15 points 3 years ago

Genuinely a brilliant and moving game. Kim Kitsuragi is also my most loved character I’ve ever encountered in any media and it’s not even close.

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Alsephina 14 points 3 years ago

Huh, according to the word counts on kobo, the 3 volumes of Marx's Capital combined also has just over 1 million words. Interesting.

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nature_man 13 points 3 years ago
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gAlienLifeform 13 points 3 years ago

I have never felt so seen by a piece of media as I did when I got the solution to this thought

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MindSkipperBro12 9 points 3 years ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9126d151-faae-4844-a07c-1fb15551b80b.jpeg

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TokenBoomer 1 point 3 years ago

Can I borrow that one? /s

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Ozy 1 point 3 years ago

I ain't readin allat' 😂🤣😂🤣

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Smokeydope 6 points 3 years ago

Man I really want to play disco but I really don't want to pirate it either. Everyone's always saying dont pay for it so I havent but is keeping 10$ out of a publishers hands and holding off on experiencing an awesome game just to 'own the corpos' really worth it? feels dumber every year I hold off on it.

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S -4 points 3 years ago

If you want to pay for it and can afford to do so, buy it and pay for it. Otherwise, pirate it and pay for it when you can afford to do so. Easy peasy. Publisher gets paid in either case.

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Guntrigger 23 points 3 years ago

I think the point is: this publisher in particular is a piece of shit. Pushed out the original creators and stole the IP effectively.

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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S 14 points 3 years ago

Oh whoops I didn't know. Yeah then just pirate that shit.

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Tbird83ii 9 points 3 years ago

And then donate to the devs directly?

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Donkter 6 points 3 years ago

This reminds me, I keep searching for the short story written by one of the creators set in the same universe. The only source I can find for an English copy of it is from a shady download link that my antivirus program doesn't want me to open. Does anyone know where I can get a copy?

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Mobilityfuture 5 points 3 years ago

Downloading it for free now on PS5 to try and understand the meme…

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Trollivier 3 points 3 years ago

That's a pretty awesome game, if you didn't try it.

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minibyte -22 points 3 years ago
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samus12345 10 points 3 years ago

It can!

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Alsephina 7 points 3 years ago

You do that lol

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