The amount of plastic from a Kinder Bueno 4 pack
3 years ago by pete_the_cat to c/mildlyinfuriating
Each bar is wrapped in cellophane, which are then wrapped in the normal outer packaging. To make the 4 pack, they simply took 2x two packs and put them on a cardboard tray,and then wrapped those.
I don't think I've ever gone through so much unwrapping for candy.
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Don't blame yourself for something that is the fault of massive corporations.
Not your fault there are few, good alternatives. By all means, if switching to more ethical products makes you feel better, don't let me stop you, but this is a problem that needs government regulation to solve.
I guess I dodn't make myself clear. People should be angry, but they should point that anger at these massive corporations who keep distributing everything in single-use plastic containers, even when there are friendlier alternatives.
People also need education about greenwashing and how to detect it.
There are private companies that do recycle plastic film. I'm in the PNW and I use Ridwell, and it's helped a lot. I still aim for Reduce first, try to not use plastic when possible, but with food that's difficult. Reuse obviously, and then Recycle as my last resort, and Ridwell is good with that. If you're in the PNW and are interested, I think I have discount codes since I'm a member, just DM me if interested
What do they do with the plastic?
Recycling companies have been known to sit.ply export it to another country with worse regulations and dump in the landfill. You should try to find out where their plastic goes and what happens to it. You can't really just trust that recycling companies are doing things right.
If they are wanting recycling materials with no cash transactions. Those dumps in other countries probably require payment to use their services, so I assume they wouldn't want it if they were paying to ship it across the world to throw it in another dump right?
They break the styrofoam down right there and make new material. I am not sure if they do everything on premise, but you can see it happening right there with some of it.
Sorry, what is a PNW?
Oh, it's a part of the US. I'm from Europe.
Terracycle must be a competitor.
Have a friend who puts the majority of her focus on another R: Refuse! Boba tea shop says they can’t fill her reusable mason jar? No boba for her.
She holds onto her trash, and at the end of one year, had half a mason jar full. You could make out one thing in it: a luggage tag from mandatory business trip. Amazing!
And then a billionaire gets in their private jet, and in just 5 seconds of flight generates 8000 times more carbon emissions than she's saved in her entire life.
Okay, that may be a slight exaggeration.
If you want to really know how much try this. https://thebigplasticcount.com/
Tracking what you use will go towards data that can be used to pressure companies and government to try to change their ways.
Same, it's pretty damn ridiculous how much trash we generate.
I'm also aware of the amount of plastic waste that passes through my hands.
The difference here being: i notice what is necessary and how much of it is useless extra added on by the manufacturer for advertisement purposes.
The latter is usually 50% and even as bad as 80% in a lot of cases.
I'm not ashamed, i'm dissapointed they are allowed to keep doing this while i'm forced to make all kind of changes (i use forced because they artificially increase the price to stop us from doing things)
Order literally anything from china. Each part in a Ziploc, then grouped in a Ziploc, in a box with bubble or balloon wrap, and/or styrofoam, then like 8 miles of yellow packing tape so you have no idea where to open from, and maybe another box or garbage bag layer with more tape, then the packing slip sleeve and more tape over that.
TIL it's only Canada that switched
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_Creme_Egg
As of 2015, the packaging in Canada has been changed to a 34 g (1.2 oz), purple, red and yellow soft plastic shell.
Chocolate bars used to be folded aluminium foil and paper. Some still use those materials but now they weld (crimp with enough pressure?) the foil which is probably better for the product but OTOH it's slightly annoying because you have too little foil to re-wrap a bar you only took a little bit off of.
We badly need to return to this
Come to think of it, nowadays you can still buy certain things in bulk, but a packaged option exists too. You could carefully choose and weigh the individual potatoes you like, or you could just pick up a bag that was prepared earlier in some potato factory. The same things applies to many fruits and vegetables too.
I'm 38 and had to think real hard to remember when they had the foil wrapper and paper sleeve.
It also has alot of palm-oil in it so it is another reason to avoid it.
Even WWF doesn't think avoiding palm oil is a good solution. Not short term and definitely not long term
Palm is the most efficient crop for producing a wide range of fats. Replacing it with some other source of fat will require more land and water, and disrupt nature in another part of the world.
Thank you for the very informative link.
Did not know that.
I always try to avoid it but thanks to this list i at least know which company to trust about it a bit. Scorecard
Still wont buy anything from danone, mars or nestle tho.
Avoiding Nestlé is a good idea anyway. Fuck Nestlé.
I think it's fair to say those brands will source from the cheapest, scummiest places and it doesn't matter what "certificate" sticker is on the box.
But it is so hard to avoid them where I live :/ Even the fairtrade, vegan and responsible green washed products are from those 3...
It's milk chocolate (coated at least)... I've tried alternatives and frankly white, dark and flavoured vegan chocolates are good enough but there's nothing close to or as good as milk chocolate so at this point it's like saying "boycott steak because it's not vegan"... It's a fact, sure, but not a reason against it for people who aren't already vegan, and vegans are already boycotting it away, so it's a reason for nobody?
That said the fair cocoa point is very valid.
Shut your whore mouth hazelnut and wafer are fucking awesome.
Support your local baker and chocolate shop instead, big corporations aren't your friend but your local small business owner could be
Where I live normal bread like buns, sliced bread and baguette from my local baker are not more expensive than the grocery store, things like croissants and sausage/chocolate rolls are a bit more expensive but way better in quality however pastries and chocolate are disproportionately more expensive there so I still buy those at the store.
Understandable, we can only do what we are able to
Local business owners don't stock their goods at the checkout counter at Walgreens. Also, even though I'm in a big city, no one makes something like the Kinder Bueno, it's not a simple chocolate bar.
Your argument is that since it's not convient or an exact substitution, we should continue supporting these companies that annoy us?
If you want the product, you have to deal with it.
Not good
They're my absolute weakness. I usually get two two packs and was like "oh they make a four pack now?" Thinking it would be less packaging.. nope, it was more!
I wonder how quickly they would react if enough people mobbed them on social media to redesign the packaging. 🤔 Because surely, using more material for packing is expensive and they could actually save money by being more sensible with how they're packaged.
There you go thinking smartly again!
I bought refillers for ball pen to "reduce plastic" and its packing has plastic equivalent of an entire new pen
Man, you should see the Gansito packaging. Think about the Twinkie 2ct packaging where its wrapped in plastic with a cardboard tray to give it support. Thats fine. But Gansito goes an extra step. The whole package is wrapped in a foil bag. Inside it has a plastic tray, in which the individual cakes are wrapped in plastic. All this plastic for whats essentially 4 big bites of cake.
For true excess we need to turn to the tech world: https://www.theregister.com/... where "deliver a mouse on a pallet" isn't even the worst example.
No wonder they're trying to make more money off of people printing! 🤣
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Try to light it on fire! Cellophane burns like paper, while plastics will melt.
Whenever I'm hating myself for my single use weaknesses, I picture a nurse doing one blood test or bandage... In every room.... In every hospital... Everywhere.. and that's just healthcare which we give a pass for obvious reasons. If you want to project your self-hate onto others instead of using the exercise to chill out and be kind to yourself, you can even think of other industries like how much shit is coming out of some gun or Budweiser factory somewhere 🤷
According to this it takes about 50 tons of PE granules to make about 40 Kilometers of clingfilm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVYpmXRHu00
Moar plastic manufacturing. Thickness of 2/10,000 of an inch. Plastic is crazy cheap and efficient compared to other methods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp2RDu9fw6o
Plastic bags. Full roll is 348 lbs which makes 35,000 bags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KznKNiXPFxM
If you're wondering about crude to plastic efficiency...
It takes about 0.4 gallons of crude oil to make one pound of plastic, which means that 11 million metric tons of plastic equates to approximately 9.7 trillion gallons of oil.
https://oceanconservancy.org/...
A nice copout answer from the US Government lol.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) is unable to determine the specific amounts or origin of the feedstocks that are actually used to manufacture plastics in the United States.
This oil website even busts their chops on it lol.
This fact itself raises questions such as, “How many barrels of oil go into plastic packaging?” A question that is quite difficult to answer. The Energy Information Administration absolutely refuses to answer it, saying that it collects no data in this segment. Yet data from a few years ago, when the EIA still collected information about this, shows that in 2010 some 191 million barrels of LPG and NGL were used for the production of plastics along with 412 billion cu ft of natural gas. The liquids amount constituted about 2.7 percent of the country’s total petroleum consumption. Most of the natural gas used in plastics production was used as a fuel rather than feedstock.
Plastics production accounts for about 4 percent of global oil production. That’s according to figures for 2012, so now it may well be higher.
Some interesting glass to plastic energy efficiency info, not discounting their completely different use cases.
The total energy required to produce, package, and transport a 16 oz. PET container is 32 MJ compared to 34 MJ for a 16 oz. glass container – virtually the same. Producing a pound of plastic resin, however, uses nearly nine times the energy of producing a pound of glass. These comparisons assume the use of virgin glass.
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Only the individual bar wrappings were the standard clear plastic (stronger and more rigid than cling film), the two and four pack wrappers were the folk-like wrappers that you would see on Kit-Kats and the like.
Do the math yourself. The answer is there lol.
I can tell you for certain it's more than two packs of Twix. A lot more.
I ordered a lens filter for my camera, and couldn't believe the amount of packaging and plastic wrapping it came with. It was absurd to the point of lunacy. We're talking several boxes, something like four or five different plastic wrappers, etc. For a lens filter!
It's almost like manufacturers are aware that consumers aren't "allowed" to use single-use plastic when getting groceries, so they double-down on their use for everything else!
Yeah, I ordered two end tables with shelves from Amazon a few weeks ago and they were like that. Each table had about 10-15 bags, and like 7 sheets of styrofoam.
and like 7 sheets of styrofoam.
I really, really hate styrofoam. I recently had to put out an industrial-sized bag filled with the stuff, and I can't honestly believe it's still used for packing items. Strategically used cardboard, especially the formed stuff, is so much better to use and can be recycled easily.
Yeah, it's a mess.
We haven't been able to find a Walmart Pickup location that doesn't use way too many plastic grocery bags, so we finally got around to buying and using reusable bags, and it's so much better! I can actually bring in the groceries in one trip now. I'm never going back. IDK why the shoppers at Walmart insist on putting only 1 or 2 items in each plastic bag. I understand keeping some items separate for food safety, but this is ridiculous! I used to live close to my grandma who crochets plastic grocery bags into sleeping pads for unhoused folks, but we moved away from her and have no use for 20-30 plastic bags a week.
I’ve always wondered why they use so many as well! I assume it’s each group of items that a single shopper pulls goes into one bag and they have one shopper per like four aisles or something. I have nothing to base that on though, whatever it is it’s a ridiculous amount of bags.
If you get delivery they will sometimes put three or four bags with a single item each all into another bag so they can carry it easier.
What's funny is after living in NYC for 5 years and being forced to use reusable bags for years I got used to it. I moved to Miami about 5 months ago and I'm Downtown so I can walk to most places I need to go, and bring a reusable bag with me. A lot of stores down here aren't used to customers using a reusable bag, so I would tend to get a lot of looks haha I'd walk across the street to get my groceries and they would give me like 5-10 plastic bags when I'm like "I can fit like 75% of it in my backpack and these two bags".
And the fucking twist ties.
Why? I’m bulk ordering the shit, I don’t care that they are individually bagged and neatly presented.
Surely there must be some way to bulk-ship pre-terminated cable in a way that doesn’t require tons of plastic and twist ties but still is a decent cable and not a tangled mess by the time I use it.
Thankw for the post! But great. A whole new thing I didn't know I had to look out for and worry about. Every day I'm reminded of the part of Good Place that talks about all the little bad things we do every day without meaning to or thinking about it.
For one, just like any other harvestable good, it takes a lot of land and resources to grow the palm trees.
That's only half of the issue. In fact, palm oil is entirely very space efficient compared to rape seed or other vegetable oils.
The actual issue only starts when you take into account that oil palms really only grow in south east Asia and Oceania, and the space required is obtained by cutting down rainforest.
Isn't melting until 38c so it's hard to get it out of your body.
That's.... not now digestion works. 🤦
Have you tried exercising? Works for most fats
I think I'll just sit.
Are you saying you just assume a corporation doesn't lie non-stop?
Kinder Bueno - Spain
Kinder Chido - México
Kinder Copado - Argentina
Kinder Bacano - Colombia
No Kinder Chingon?
They just need a single foil wrapping to preserve the humidity on the wafer, not a matrioska of wrappings
A single wrapper and the cardboard tray would suffice. You probably don't even need the tray TBH. I don't think I've ever gotten broken Twix bars, and I eat them all the time.
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