Yuzu agrees to pay Nintendo $2.4 million and will entirely shut down

2 years ago by sirsquid to c/linux_gaming

After Nintendo recently filed a lawsuit against the Yuzu team, it was pretty much inevitable this was going to happen wasn't it.
jsomae 134 points 2 years ago

Reminder that poor Gary Bowser was jailed for a year and owes 30% of his income to Nintendo for the rest of his life. He uses a wheelchair and has two kids.

It would be morally wrong to pirate all future Nintendo titles and pay the cover price to Gary's gofundme. Please don't do that.

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teawrecks 23 points 2 years ago

Please don't conflate an open effort to own your own hardware and data with a closed effort to literally sell access to copyrighted content under the table, and try to launder the profits and commit fraud. Yuzu and Bowser are not the same.

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jsomae 9 points 2 years ago

you mean the MiGSwitch, a device for dumping and preserving switch ROMs? I would love to have one for personal backups, and it pairs well with yuzu. Team Xecuter is credibly presumed to be the developers, so that's likely Bowser's current hobby.

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teawrecks 4 points 2 years ago

No, I mean charging money for pirated copies of games

Bowser helped create and support online libraries of pirated videogames for its customers, and several of the enterprise’s devices came preloaded with pirated videogames.

This behavior was never condoned by the Yuzu developers

Piracy was never our intention, and we believe that piracy of video games and on video game consoles should end.

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DmMacniel 9 points 2 years ago

Do you really believe that the last statement by yuzu is their own opinion? It really reads as it was written by a Nintendo lawyer and they just needed to sign it.

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Encamped -1 points 2 years ago

Also believe his (proprietary) software would brick switches if it detected other software, though don't quote me on that.

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ryannathans 12 points 2 years ago

Does 30% of the gofundme go to nintendo?

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kandoh 20 points 2 years ago

Google says yes

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SuperSpruce 6 points 2 years ago

There's no way that kind of punishment is allowed by the 8th amendment. This is definitely an unusual punishment.

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faith -15 points 2 years ago

Reminder that "poor Gary" was selling pirated roms.

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Pika 11 points 2 years ago

I disagree with selling pirated roms but, he also wasn't part of the development team he was closer to a sales associate then anything. the punishment given to him was cruel and unusable and honestly a failure of the legal system.

I see this on the same level as forcing a sales associate at Walmart to pay the fine of all the wage violations the company as a whole did. It's rediculous.

I personally will never be buying a Nintendo product again out of principle.

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velox_vulnus 129 points 2 years ago
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Lucid5603 53 points 2 years ago

Already mirrored on my personal forge

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Linkerbaan 2 points 2 years ago

Pony up that 2.4mil bucko

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Lucid5603 3 points 2 years ago

Fuck no. Nothing against simply having emulation software, just creating it from what I can tell.

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bilb 34 points 2 years ago

The bigger deal is that development by this team has been halted, not that it will be a little harder to find a trustworthy download of the most recent version.

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nailoC5 19 points 2 years ago

Yep. This is more to stop the emulation of their next console than anything else. Especially considering it's likely to be a just slightly better Switch.

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sleepyTonia 4 points 2 years ago

Honestly, I'll think more than twice before buying that thing if it really just is a Switch refresh. Not even taking into account the fact that whether it's Yuzu or not, it'll probably be supported by a Switch emulator in a comically short time after coming out. I'm still waiting for some insider leaks ten years from now revealing the Switch was indeed just some rebranded gaming tablet. Too many half-assed features, both on the firmware/OS side of things, but also the controller connectivity and drifting. It's their worst console up to now. But damn, are their games fun.

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Fisch 2 points 2 years ago

That's only temporary tho. One fork will emerge as the replacement everyone goes to, including the developers who were only working on Yuzu and Citra as volunteers. We know what Nintendo was sueing over, so that can probably be avoided in that fork.

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Painfinity 17 points 2 years ago

6o3ssq

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PlexSheep 16 points 2 years ago

I tried to fork but couldn't find a repo to clone. Do you have a link?

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velox_vulnus 26 points 2 years ago
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DmMacniel 83 points 2 years ago

fuck Nintendo, I'll never support them or buy anything related to them ever again.

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Fizz 57 points 2 years ago

I feel like the people saying this now aren't going to follow through and will buy future Nintendo products. If this behavior was a deal breaker for you then you would already be boycotting Nintendo.

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DmMacniel 18 points 2 years ago

Well, given that the last game I officially bought by Nintendo was Metroid Prime Dread (because I really really want that franchise to regain its former glory, same with F-Zero) and that also after a year or so of not buying anything new. Yeah I was kinda in a soft boycott already.

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nul9o9 18 points 2 years ago

Last thing i bought was BoTW. Guess whos playing ToTK on their linux pc.

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Fubarberry 10 points 2 years ago

So in other words you were already boycotting them, and nothing has changed due to this lawsuit.

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theshatterstone54 2 points 2 years ago

Depends on the person really. I've been a sailor all my life, and the only times I've bought games was when I bought some physical disc games for my ps4, so it really depends on the person.

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solarisfire 3 points 2 years ago

@theshatterstone54 @Fizz I've bought a physical copy of every switch game I've ever played on Yuzu on my Steam Deck... It was just nice having to only carry one portable about, and a superior overall gaming experience. I'll never do business with Nintendo again over this...

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solarisfire 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 8136012 8136603 8138302 8144938 8144939, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
MentalEdge 1 point 2 years ago

I am

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zwerdlds 12 points 2 years ago

Is this... surprising behavior on Nintendo's part?

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DmMacniel 15 points 2 years ago

No, and it's still disgusting. They are fricking bullies.

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Linkerbaan 3 points 2 years ago

Yet people keep buying their outdated console and paying for Nintendo online with terrible service.

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Fisch 2 points 2 years ago

Because people think that Nintendo deserves that money and pirating is unfair and wrong. In a vacuum, they do make good games that are worth the money but with all the shit they're pulling, they're basically abusing the law and their power as a huge company to force people to do what they want. That's why, in my eyes, it's only fair to pirate their stuff. If they're gonna play unfair, so am I. There's a huge chunk of people who aren't that well informed on what Nintendo's doing and why it's wrong, who don't want to do something illegal or who just want the convenience tho.

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Tolstoshev 79 points 2 years ago

The publicity inspired me to install it, so great job Nintendo.

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profoundninja 8 points 2 years ago

I've owned a switch for like 8 years and suddenly I'm inspired as well..

Is there an updated resource on how to?

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Tolstoshev 4 points 2 years ago

Here’s the guide I followed:

https://overkill.wtf/...

And yuzu was still in the Discover store available to download as of this afternoon.

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stebo02 7 points 2 years ago
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Zuberi 56 points 2 years ago
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Alsephina 53 points 2 years ago

It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.

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bionicjoey 49 points 2 years ago

Where does a FOSS project find $2.4M? They weren't selling anything were they? They can't really have that big of a war chest can they?

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Moonrise2473 40 points 2 years ago

They don't have it. It's a limited liability company so in this way they will pay only the sum of their assets (=bankruptcy) which is lower than legal expenses against a Goliath and definitely lower than 2.4 million. I'm guessing 1000x lower than the settled amount or they wouldn't have reason to found the LLC in first place or to settle this easy and this fast

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matcha_addict 1 point 2 years ago

Did they just create the LLC after the lawsuit?

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Moonrise2473 16 points 2 years ago

It seems like incorporated in Rhode island around the time Nintendo sued Gary Bowser for the switch modchip

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Fubarberry 26 points 2 years ago

My understanding is they've been making 30k a month from their Patreon.

Which is also the main reason they were vulnerable to a lawsuit, because they've been profiting off of the emulator (which why legal by itself, is only popular enough to make money due to piracy).

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bionicjoey 16 points 2 years ago

$2.4M is 8 years' worth in that case, assuming they were making that much the entire time. And of course a lot of that money was probably for the devs to afford basic living expenses.

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Fubarberry 4 points 2 years ago

6 years and 8 months, but yeah I can't see them having the money, even if they saved everything.

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helenslunch 1 point 2 years ago
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Fubarberry 4 points 2 years ago

The most recent version of Yuzu (which theoretically has the best performance) is semi-locked behind their Patreon.

This was especially important when TotK came out, because they were making a bunch of tweaks to improve performance for that game. So people who wanted to play TotK needed to subscribe to get the best results (or build from source, I'm assuming).

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willya -1 points 2 years ago

Is this your first time venturing on to Patreon? The YouTube channel cold ones makes $84k a month from Patreon and they just get drunk, smash shit, and play video games.

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CaptainEffort 10 points 2 years ago

They had a Patreon so maybe that?

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solarisfire 5 points 2 years ago path: 0 8136353 8136463, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
mudle 40 points 2 years ago

As of right now, both Citra and Yuzu are available via Flathub!!! Get them now if you don't have it!!!

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hakase 13 points 2 years ago

How do I turn off Yuzu's auto-update? I don't want my computer to connect to a website that Nintendo now owns every time I boot up the emulator.

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mudle 19 points 2 years ago

You should be fine. Yuzu checks the Github repo for updates which is now down. If you're still worried you could download it via Flathub and disable network access via Flatseal or terminal.

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hakase 5 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

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clearleaf 13 points 2 years ago

I have the opposite question. How do I make sure that Nintendo knows every time I run yuzu?

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cyborganism 2 points 2 years ago

Anyone got the windows installer?

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Rai 4 points 2 years ago path: 0 8136872 8136998 8139316, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
mudle 2 points 2 years ago

Lots of people have already forked it. I think it's even backed up on the Internet Archive too. You could also check the Yuzu subreddit as well.

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matcha_addict 38 points 2 years ago

Emulator devs should rly do their best to be anonymous

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d_k_bo 38 points 2 years ago

Fuck Nintendo. All my homies hate Nintendo.

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hemko 37 points 2 years ago

Holy shit this thing smells so bad. The announcement reads like "Nintendo's legal team wrote this in exchange for 1 mill smaller settlement"

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matcha_addict 21 points 2 years ago

Reminder that paying Nintendo money is morally wrong and should be avoided when possible. Buy the consoles, sure, but pirate if you have to play the games.

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Asafum 12 points 2 years ago

The consoles are the fucking things I don't want to buy... I'm sick of Nintendo and their "buy my console or fuck you" motto...

I haven't bought an Xbox since the 360 and haven't bought a PlayStation since PS4 because I'm so sick of dropping hundreds of dollars on a console for one or two games since the parent companies are assholes and won't have the games ported to PC. At least Sony and Microsoft got the message that you can have your console and sell the games on PC

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euphoric_cat 6 points 2 years ago
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Fisch 4 points 2 years ago

It's the other way around imo. I don't want to pay hundreds of euros for a console (which is still just a computer) that is slower than my phone just because Nintendo puts artificial restrictions on what hardware the software they make can run on. I already have a PC that could run those games perfectly fine. Or rather, it can run those games perfectly fine, way better than a Switch actually. Unfortunately, the only way for me to play those games on my PC, without having to buy a console I don't need, is to pirate them.

So basically, I can either pirate the games for free to play them on my PC or I pay for a console for no other reason but to get the privilege of being able to pay for the games.

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SuperSpruce 3 points 2 years ago

Same here. I'm not gonna pay lots of money for a locked down piece of hardware that makes me pay indefinitely to play online and could take away my purchased games at a moment's notice.

I still occasionally buy physical switch games to play on my sibling's switch. I buy physical because there's a resale value to the game. I feel like I actually own a copy of the game.

Anyways, I have a big Steam backlog that I'll never get to because of 1) Factorio, 2) A personal game I'm programming in HTML/CSS/JS, and 3) riding my motorcycle.

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Fisch 2 points 2 years ago

Factorio is the closest thing we have to time travel. Start the game and suddenly it's 5 hours later and there's still that one part you could optimize. I fucking love this game.

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SuperSpruce 2 points 2 years ago

I have 600h in the game. 80h in my first game, 260h in my bad attempt at a megabase, 25h in a 100% achievements world, and a few random maps. I haven't even tried doing a deathworld yet.

Then once you think you are done, then there are the mods. I have 123h in one overhaul modpack, enough to technically beat it but not truly scale up. There are several other similar scale modpacks, and there exists a certain hardcore modpack that people say takes 1000h or more to beat.

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Goun 1 point 2 years ago

Shit. How easy/safe is it to hack the Switch?

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janAkali 0 points 2 years ago

Reminder that paying money is morally wrong and should be avoided when possible. Steal the consoles and pirate if you have to play the games.

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Lojcs 17 points 2 years ago

They're shutting down the website too :( I really liked the in depth update logs. Yuzu (the website, emulator, android app) felt so extraordinarily polished for an emulator too. Shame Nintendo

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passepartout 16 points 2 years ago

That escalated quickly.

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KingThrillgore 13 points 2 years ago

I agree to never give Nintendo my money again, I hope they also shut down someday.

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sugar_in_your_tea 12 points 2 years ago

Should've done a GoFundMe or something to fight Nintendo, I would've funded that...

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0x0 11 points 2 years ago

They must know they fucked up somewhere and decided to go this route rather than get exposed for potential shenanigans. From reading comments in other communities I was surprised to see a lot of people expected this outcome, although nobody was particularly specific about why (maybe someone here can give some insight.) For the record I've been on team "Fuck Nintendo" after the Gamecube, but I'd take the fact that other emulators haven't been targeted as possible hint that Nintendo got wind of something wacky going on. Who knows, maybe they're next?

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poVoq 24 points 2 years ago

They ran a LLC company and earned a quite substantial amount of money with Yuzu. I also suspect that they don't actually plan to pay much of this fine and just let the LLC go bankrupt.

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0x0 11 points 2 years ago

Financially the right move. If what I read was correct, it would take approx. 8 years of steady Patreon income to get to the $2.4M figure anyway.

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NOPper 7 points 2 years ago

I'm planning to just Google my way out of this, but what's the cleanest way to block the repo I've been using in yay from updates without uninstalling the version I've got running already?

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guywithoutaname 12 points 2 years ago

Are you using the AUR? The package will probably just get orphaned or the upstream will change to a duplicate repo. I don't see Yuzu or Citra going anywhere considering they are open source.

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NOPper 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah pretty sure I installed the experimental branch from the AUR. I just didn't want the repo to be poisoned or something. 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the info!

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SpaceTurtle224 2 points 2 years ago

Does anyone have a copy of the compiling guide? it just points me to a 404 page.

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kaputter_Aimbot 2 points 2 years ago

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cyborganism 2 points 2 years ago

Already the installer is gone. I can't find it anywhere.

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sleepyTonia 10 points 2 years ago

I would be surprised if there wasn't a differently named fork up somewhere within a week. Not like the program itself was infringing on any law.

There's just no winning a legal battle against a spiteful company that could drown you in fees before you even reach a ruling.

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Rai 3 points 2 years ago path: 0 8136986 8139331, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
cyborganism 1 point 2 years ago

Thanks!!

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