Then again, am I really using these Haskell libraries? I just want to use pandoc. I love Arch, but the organization of the official repos is sometimes suboptimal.

I definitely use the previous 10 versions of electron that I definitely didn't completely forget to uninstall.

In unrelated news, by root partition is now about 2GB lighter.

or you can't buy if you're not successful enough or you're in the wrong country. For example, in my country, the minimum cost of a 1TB SSD is about $85 and a salary of $2,000 is considered a very successful salary at the upper limit

It's not about storage. It's about complexity getting back at you, for example not knowing what caused a problem because multiple programs are stepping on each others feet

For me it's not about the size, it's about the understanding. I'd really like to understand what everything on my system does and why it's there. It seems impossible with modern systems. Back in the '90s I needed a secure email relay - it had lilo, kernel, init, getty, bash, vi, a few shell utils (before busybox..), syslogd and sendmail. I'm not sure any more as it was a long time ago, but I think I even statically linked everything so there was no libc. I liked that system.

For me it was a problem with update frequency and how long they would take. Once i got rid of my flatpaks and moved to stable firefox i update once a week instead of daily now and it takes seconds instead of minutes. Probably also solvable with auto updates.

Bloat is more about performances

So you have a folder and need to find a specific file from it. Would it be faster to find the file when there are 5 folders or 500?

Bloat multiplies when you have to back it up.

It seems to be seen across all platforms.

What I find interesting is that no one is asking about the quality of code, nor do they seem concerned about the dependencies but they do care about that one package/app/program of any size they see and don't immediately know why it's there.

Snaps still take longer to load with that.

It's not always about storage. It can also be more processes that drains battery, more attack vectors etc.

Hey! I have 128gb of ram

…and still restart my browser if it’s using over 1 gb

This, MFers will have the most top spec computer and worry about bloat while I install random shit for fun on my 320gb had drive that's also my boot drive on my core 2 duo computer with 3 gigs of ram that struggles to run firefox and thunar at the same time (also cinnamon is the best running on my computer from my testing, xfce is laggy af and I'm not even going to mention kde, bspwm or any other since the, either lag beyond usability (KDE) or just straight up crash my computer into tty when i try to launch them (bspwm), one massive note is that I'm using software rendering since the GPU on the core 2 duo is struggling with even drawing the boot screen)

Literally have probably a ton of overlap software from installing the desktop environments and other random (well not very random, stuff I used on windows before) software that I don't bother googling the deleting commands since apt installed them all as snaps because I never noticed in my first three months of use, fuck you Ubuntu, Xubuntu and all other derivatives, this shit makes me not want to use Ubuntu ever again (not like i can, my pc is fucked and no other drive is bootable, i can't even boot an install usb)

Anything that's not kernel

installing more than base, linux, and linux-firmware is bloat.

Instructions unclear, installed sway and 50 utilities for it.

Have fun with TWM I guess

Step 1. Install the most secure, pure, minimalist Linux distro

Step 2. Get frustrated at the complications

Step 3. Give up and go back to Windows

• a story I've seen happen more than once

But how would he show that he uses Arch, without Neofetch?

Neofetch is unmaintained btw, fastfetch is a good replacement... for whoever needs that. I wrote my own tool for getting system info and I like my terminals to have free space

List of fetch tools

Cool alternatives:

• macchina Rust
• zeitfetch Rust
• fsi Rust
• tuatara Zig
• hayabusa Rust Lua

WDYM? The only listed dependency is bash

Arch Linux: It's like eating a spicy shellfish dinner and super gluing your asshole closed.

Fuck! I forgot nano and pacman again.

So just run archinstall Personally as a relative newbie I found arch a lot easier to deal with than fedora and ubuntu, both of which have had me in dependency hell on previous attempts to switch to linux. Not only that but I have a much better idea of what makes up my system.

It's definitely a philosophy, and you have to understand the implications. But I'm not sure utility is in the back seat. It's just that you personally own your own config.

Buahaha

lol yeah, I still use windows regularly, but every Linux distro I’ve tried has seemed like a lean mean OS in comparison.

Kid named Electron

ls is bloat, real Linux users just need echo.

echo *

It is bloat if dependencies aren't defined properly and the packager defines a too broad set of dependencies.

(Disclaimer: I don't use Arch myself but I am a packager of a small "scratch my own itch" but public repository for another distribution.)

I don’t think the finger is being pointed at Arch though

You also control what's being installed on other distros. In fact, other distros split their packages in a way more modular way which allows one to pick and choose what one needs granularly. In Arch, the package count is lower because the maintainers don't split stuff up. But you get all the so called bloat when you installna regular package

And you'd have to try pretty hard to make it as infested with snaps.

nix-collect-garbage goes brrrrrr

I thought the number one drawback to flatpaks is that they're enormous because each one includes all its own dependencies

Flatpak is like the most bloated thing ever because of the runtime and all the dependencies it needs.

I did a test, flatpak with just firefox installed used 3 GiB of space.

While 15 appimages that includes heavy applications like libreoffice, kdenlive and two web browsers uses 1.2GiB.

Is there a way to download Debian with GNOME without all the bloat?