Microsoft will now urge you to ditch local accounts on Windows 10

3 years ago by dvdnet62 to c/technology

haui_lemmy 101 points 3 years ago

If only there was an alternative to windows somewhere!

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tias 30 points 3 years ago

In a corporate setting there usually isn't

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CrazyLikeGollum 61 points 3 years ago

In a corporate setting you're probably using Active Directory for authentication and don't have a local account anyway.

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Omgboom 0 points 3 years ago
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Wooki 2 points 3 years ago

If you do, you don’t know what your doing

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CrazyLikeGollum 1 point 3 years ago

There is a local Administrator account in an AD environment (just like on all Windows systems), but that may be disabled.

As for the domain users, you have a locally created profile and because it caches your credentials you can sign in offline, but your account isn't local in the sense that you could sign in offline (or without access to the domain) indefinitely. For on-prem AD, at least with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008R2 (the last versions I worked with, so can't speak for newer) by default the length that clients held onto that cache was 30 days, but it was configurable in Group Policy. If your device was away from the domain for longer than that you would no longer be able to sign in.

Depending on how your domain is configured you might even have your profile redirected to a network share somewhere, making the account even less local.

Microsoft accounts on personal devices function in basically the same way. If they're offline for too long you stop being able to logon, but you won't lose data in your user folder (unless you've setup profile redirection to One Drive or an SMB share on a NAS).

In neither of those scenarios would I say your account is local, because a network connection is required for initial sign in and then periodically afterwards to be able to use the device with your account.

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Sneptaur 47 points 3 years ago

I use Linux on my desktop at work, and sometimes you might end up with an apple computer instead depending on the employer.

The monopoly is slipping.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Opafi 11 points 3 years ago

Same. The Linux setup there is a fucking mess though... AD authentication freezes login for a minute or so if you switch networks at the wrong moment, puppet keeps messing with the system and recently they installed clamav as a live malware scanner on all machines, making them eat batteries for breakfast and slowing down even menial tasks. If you have admin rights, they refuse to add your user to sudoers but instead create a new admin user (another indicator that they're just really coming from windows) which everybody just uses to add their original user to sudoers, which was a nice workaround but which they now noticed and want to prohibit via puppet or user rights or something. It's just such a mess. I mean, still leagues ahead of using windows, but a corporate environment really is a machine that transforms time and money into a terrible experience for everybody.

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umbrella 12 points 3 years ago
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MonkderDritte 4 points 3 years ago

I mean, scanning your download folder, if there is something new, could make sense in a high-risk environment. But only if.

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Sneptaur 1 point 3 years ago

They’ve tossed ClamAV on mine but it’s not on the AD, thankfully.

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dandroid 1 point 3 years ago

I used Linux at my old job, which was a start-up with no IT. But at my current job, which is a massive tech corporation with overbearing IT, they require us to use Windows. :(

Though I don't have an option to use a local account on my work laptop anyway.

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RootBeerGuy 14 points 3 years ago

In a corporate setting it isn't your computer though.

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haui_lemmy 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, corporate dystopia is a thing.

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onlinepersona 1 point 3 years ago

Redhat?

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1984 7 points 3 years ago

In tech jobs where you write code, everyone uses Linux or mac. :)

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ReakDuck 9 points 3 years ago

I had a ying yang work experience with two companies as a pupil.

One used Linux and I had unexpected skills making me solve and create a product/feature. The project manager was kind and a nerd like me. The chef was sweet kind.

The other company used Microsoft products in every corner like a hardcore football fan. The project manager was kinda toxic and it was hard to explain something to him as he pretended to have knowledge and the chef was rarely in a happy mood and often screaming at him. He didn't knew many things about Microsoft products and browser itself, he just coded and didn't understood its entirety back knowledge. He expected me to be some master student and graded me bad for skills no pupil had in our class as we just only learned Java in school, I could use all langauages they used and it still wasn't enough.

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fluckx 5 points 3 years ago

Y u no program like senior engineer when you come out of school. We even pay you competitive ( minimum ) IT wage!

Code more for company in your own time so you can catch up.

1/5 performance review.

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haui_lemmy 7 points 3 years ago

I wish that was the case. Also, I was being sarcastic. :)

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chokokooki 1 point 3 years ago

I will soon have to use a windows PC for my next project. Also one of my previous clients was using only windows PCs for dev (as well as Gerrit instead of Github).

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dandroid 1 point 3 years ago

This is not true in my experience. My current employer requires us to use Windows.

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bastonia 5 points 3 years ago

Good evening

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KonalaKoala 2 points 2 years ago

There are a few alternatives to Windows out there at this time, if you were to look into React OS and Great Tea OS to see what those are about.

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haui_lemmy 1 point 2 years ago

I didnt check them in depth but if someone has to run windows apps they seem pretty interesting!

Except adobe there hardly seems to be anything that technically has to use windows though. Most apps and games run great on linux.

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jubilationtcornpone 79 points 3 years ago

This is not new. Microsoft has been pushing users further into their SaaS ecosystem for years. Creating a local account on Windows 10 is more difficult than signing up for a Microsoft account. That's by design. It just goes along with the transition of their core business away from desktop software and into hosted solutions and data processing. Annoying? A little. Surprising? Hardly.

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adespoton 8 points 3 years ago

One of the first things MS did after buying Mojang was to slap Azure AD on it for account management; and it’s been a number of years now since they switched to that being the only way to authenticate to Minecraft.

This has definitely been the frog boiling strategy at Microsoft for a decade or so. It’s likely a big part of why Windows 11 exits, too.

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Moonrise2473 63 points 3 years ago

The website forced to disable the ad blocker in order to see the content.

I complied and then the content was hidden in a sea of ads. Blocked again. Won't comply again on XDA.

Ad free link: https://archive.is/438FJ

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DacoTaco 18 points 3 years ago

Let alone the cookie notification is not following the rules. There is no deny/reject option

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lemann 12 points 3 years ago

Standard sh*tty behavior from AdmiralAnti-Adblock. I usually either disable JavaScript, or enter Reader mode

I wish that company would cease to exist tbh

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MonkderDritte 6 points 3 years ago

Disable js in uBlock, no urging, no ads.

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EddoWagt 2 points 3 years ago

Huh, not getting that at all. Works just fine for me. Nevertheless, XDA really has gone downhill over time

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lordgreylock 50 points 3 years ago

The only urge I have is to ditch Windows.

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kent_eh 14 points 3 years ago

The last windows I had on my home machine was Win95.

Embrace the penguin.

My kids didn't have any problem figuring out how to do what they wanted to do on a Linux machine, it's really not that hard to move.

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BearOfaTime 2 points 3 years ago

It really is that hard to move. Your kids didn't have decades of experience to relearn.

Sorry, Linux is no competitor to Windows on the desktop. Wish it were, it just isn't.

As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol).

I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.

There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.

There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people.

Now there's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?

Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.

Someone else said it better than me:

Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.

So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.

And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?

I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.

I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.

Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's of a Windows server.

Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.

If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.

These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.

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mmus 10 points 3 years ago

f it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would’ve had a chance to beat MS

really dude? you think Linux can't compete with ms-dos? REALLY?

At least be a little more reasonable and respectable of decades of effort from the FOSS community. Had you said that todays Linux would only be competitive with windows from 15 years ago I would understand and somewhat agree with that. Also, Windows has been degrading ever since 2012 and Linux keeps getting more appealing compared to the current Windows releases as time goes on.

It also doesn't help that half of your anecdotes also blatantly happens on Windows. Yes, PCs and PC manufacturers sure suck, it's only a bit better on Windows because manufactures sometimes test their half-assed stuff there and make giant piles of workarounds to make it sorta work.

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westyvw 8 points 3 years ago
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melpomenesclevage 4 points 3 years ago

my laptop has better battery life on qubes than it did on windows.

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melpomenesclevage 6 points 3 years ago

you know ten years ago you might've had a point.

but windows is fucking unusable garbage now, and if theres a windows feature you can't bear ti go without, your only option is hope somebody makes it on Linux, because its not sticking around on windows.

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prole 5 points 3 years ago

I switched for the first time last year after using Windows exclusively for the past ~30 years, and have had no issues whatsoever. I understand I might be an outlier in that I always had a compulsion to dig as deep as possible into my Windows install to change little things I didn't like about it, so maybe I just already had the base knowledge to more easily switch.

But I've been using EndeavourOS, and it's been an absolute joy.

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anamethatisnt 5 points 3 years ago

Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort.

I mean you have the same functionality in LibreOffice Calc, the automatic sorting and filtering is called AutoFilter and the table style is chosen from AutoFormat Styles.

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KonalaKoala 3 points 2 years ago

Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I’m not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That’s just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn’t realistically shareable with other people.

Oh you can take a look at LibreOffice instead which is open source and open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in LibreOffice Calc and see how it is there.

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spaceaape 1 point 2 years ago

No GUI power settings? You mean like this menu https://jeroenverhoeckx.com/... You mentioned alot of Distros but didn't mention a single Linux Desktop Experience. Gnome/KDE could easily compete with Windows Desktop .

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potemkinhr 1 point 2 years ago

For the first time in a long time I might stick seeing the state of Linux today, especially Plasma 6. I'm eyeing Fedora 40 or Bazzite, tried Kinoite and pretty much everything I need works out of the box, the only thing I need to figure out is OneDrive.

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Grass 49 points 3 years ago

Can they just fuck off already? I sign into windows like once every 2 months and every time it's different and a worse experience. All my customizations using built in menus get messed up too and the shit that just shows up without asking. "We put the search back on the start bar!" Like fucking actually why?!

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ReakDuck 9 points 3 years ago

While I am using AtlasOS (Windows with bloat stripped off), it still kinda behaves like windows in someway compared to Ameliorated which doesn't have Microsoft tracking and updates anymore.

I woke up in the night and stared at my PC at around 3:00am and suddenly my PC starts from the suspend. I assume this is a way to update Windows secretely but I never asked for it and it damaged me emotionally because my devices behave in unexpected and unpredictable ways.

I learned to always shutdown.

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Andromxda 4 points 3 years ago

Atlas is an insecure mess, not a real solution for Windows problems. Consider a Windows alternative.

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ReakDuck 3 points 3 years ago

I am visiting this mess only to play Half Life alyx and some other VR games.

I am full time Linux everywhere. Even on my Chromebook which doesnt have ChromeOS anymore.

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Grass 3 points 3 years ago

I used atlas for a while but there are a number of issues. If I want to flash reverse engineered firmware to proprietary hardware it often requires patched windows tools leaked from the manufacturer and I haven't had that work any other way than stock windows. Capitalism with no real consumer protections has fucked us in so many ways.

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ReakDuck 2 points 3 years ago

This sucks heavily

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ReakDuck 1 point 3 years ago

This sucks heavily

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ReakDuck 1 point 3 years ago

This sucks heavily

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venusenvy47 3 points 3 years ago

I've never heard of AtlasOS until this comment. I read the documentation and it's interesting that they need you to install it using a fresh Windows ISO. I wonder what they are doing that can't be accomplished on an existing Windows installation with a bunch of Powershell scripts?

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ReakDuck 1 point 3 years ago

Well, it wipes things. You can do and risk it but this approach is more dynamic and free than the old approach. Distributing an ISO, which counted as illegal too.

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XTL 5 points 3 years ago

I sign into windows

Ah, there's your problem.

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AndyMFK 47 points 3 years ago

Microsoft urges me to use a different operating system

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giacomo 42 points 3 years ago

i ditched the local account along with the whole dumb operating system.

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Andromxda 4 points 3 years ago

That's the way to go

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Gormadt 32 points 3 years ago

They can pry my local account from my cold dead hands

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Aeri 10 points 3 years ago

And even then good luck! For I will have glued it to my cold dead hands.

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gnygnygny 29 points 3 years ago

It's been more than a year since every decision Microsoft has made has gone against the consumer. What is the target ? Sinking the company ?

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Keineanung 23 points 3 years ago

Where will the average consumer go? They can do this, because they are basically a monopoly.

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Secret300 6 points 3 years ago

Hopefully in a year years Linux gets more support and becomes a viable alternative

Edit: for me it is and I've been using Linux for years, but some people need certain software

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Shanedino 23 points 3 years ago

How about I just ditch all acounts.

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philpo 23 points 3 years ago

In a family and SOHO setting there is an easy way around it,even without alternative media creating tools and Win11:

Active directory. Yeah. Microsoft. But not really.

Samba can be used as an AD server for ages now, it's free,cheap and can run on a Pi or some NAS. These days it's fairly easy to set up as long as you only use it for Identification services and basic networking. And Microsoft won't bother you with their shit ever, as they don't dare to push corporate clients too much.

I can recommend it very much. There are also full GUI distributions available,e.g. univention.

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KingThrillgore 1 point 3 years ago

Man, having to setup GPO to stop a lot of stupid horseshit is definitely not consumer friendly, and I don't wanna do it. Microsoft should just stop.

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philpo 1 point 3 years ago

There are templates for that. And yes,of course it is bullshit that we have to do that.

But it's less work this way compared to installing Linux and (-the worse part-) teach it to the more technologically disadvantaged relatives who used Windows for 30 years before their retirement. Or to kids who just want to use the same stuff they use at school.

I absolutely would wish that Microsoft would stop their bullshit (it wasn't even out of the possible options for them to make AD cloud only - but a lot of government customers complained). But I wanted to show people that there is a middle ground between submitting to that fucking cloud account and ditching linux all- together.

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n3m37h 21 points 3 years ago

Hey Microsoft, listen clearly...

GO
FUCK
YOURSELF

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dandroid 20 points 3 years ago

I will now urge Microsoft to suck my balls.

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onlinepersona 19 points 3 years ago

Windows 12 being in the cloud may probably not be too crazy. I'm betting most people won't care and just blindly create a microsoft account.

Anti Commercial-AI license

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B0rax 5 points 3 years ago

You mean it will be just like chromeOS or whatever that is called?

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hglman 3 points 3 years ago

Maybe but it might have a full virtualized option where your local is just a client to stream the virtualized cloud env.

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BearOfaTime 0 points 3 years ago

App-V was the start of this in about 2008.

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girthero 0 points 3 years ago

Oh great then they shouldn't mind if I install linux on my home pc then.

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onlinepersona 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 9507134 9511041 9513616, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
ilinamorato 17 points 3 years ago

If you do not want the Settings app to nag you with Microsoft Account prompts, go to Privacy > General and toggle off the "Show me suggested content in the Settings app" option.

My Settings panel should not have suggested content

That's like offering book recommendations at the BMV

I am here to do a single task and nothing more. I will not be enjoying my time here.

What's next? "Please rate the settings app on the Microsoft store"?

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twig 15 points 3 years ago

I don't know if they're aware of this, but they're also urging users to ditch Microsoft as a matter of course.

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Salvo 13 points 3 years ago path: 0 9502542, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 0
Bonesince1997 11 points 3 years ago

Boo

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ulterno 7 points 3 years ago
I ditched my local Windows 10 account years ago.

Along with Windows 10

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0oWow 7 points 3 years ago

It's sad that Microsoft insists on such a dangerous idea in the name of profits.

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arin 0 points 3 years ago

Capitalism

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dRLY 7 points 3 years ago

Maybe next year will be the year of React OS?? lol

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RealFknNito 7 points 3 years ago

And this is the straw in which I will instruct Microsoft to suck shit through.

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phoenixz 7 points 3 years ago

Install Linux and be done with the shit from Microsoft already

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ILikeBoobies 1 point 2 years ago

This means nothing to the average user because the difference doesn’t change their perceived experience

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OfficerBribe 6 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure I have seen a prompt suggesting switching to MS account before and MS already hides local account creation during setup.

It's not like local accounts will disappear unless there will be an actual redesign of whole OS which is very unlikely since then you loose all the backwards compatibility.

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Felipe 5 points 3 years ago

Hope that shit doesn't hit the LTSC version. I'd have switched my gaming rig to Linux years ago if it played nice with my simracing hardware.

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CaptainProton 4 points 3 years ago

If fusion 360, solid works, OR solid Edge ran on Linux I'd deal with the annoyances.

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Fenrisulfir 1 point 2 years ago

Yup. If my pimax crystal and all my sim hardware ran on Linux I’d switch immediately. I’m sure my Kodi/mpc-be/madvr could work. Not sure about Dolby Atmos. But some of the drivers for my sim hardware already seem slightly jank in windows and I’m not sure the already small teams they have are able to support windows and Linux builds

The gaming/home theatre is the only windows machine I own.

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BabyYodel 4 points 3 years ago

I’m sure they fucking will. Can’t harvest your data (as readily) if you aren’t online. Fuckers.

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onlooker 4 points 3 years ago

It's going to be funny to watch their Pikachu face reaction when this decision chases off a good chunk of their users.

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Reddfugee42 11 points 3 years ago

The vast majority of users will click okay to any box that says "do this to keep using Windows"

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SwampYankee 5 points 3 years ago

Without even reading it.

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ramble81 7 points 3 years ago

People said that about Netflix and their password crackdown… their profits went up.

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onlooker 2 points 3 years ago

We'll just have to wait and see, I guess. People didn't jump ship when Windows 8 became the norm (which didn't last long, thankfully), so I'm not expecting the needle to move much over a feature most users will never even know exists. A man can dream, though.

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BradleyUffner 6 points 3 years ago

The vast majority of users won't even notice.

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tho 4 points 3 years ago

if only it recognized my wifi card, which it doesn't. neither 10 nor 11 do

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waratchess 3 points 3 years ago

That's actually why I installed Linux, lol.

I bought a Wi-Fi card and I couldn't seem to make it work in Windows 10.

So I searched for the model number online and found out that it was only compatible with Windows 7, wtf?

So I installed Linux mint and it recognized the Wi-Fi card automatically.

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homesweethomeMrL 4 points 3 years ago

Not that I've touched it with a ten foot pole in as many years but - Microsoft can bite my shiny metal ass.

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Sam_Bass 2 points 3 years ago

yyyeeeaaahhh. No.

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csm10495 2 points 3 years ago

Sometimes I wonder: for a PC sitting behind a consumer router with no extra ports forwarded: How important are OS updates?

I mean if everything works for you on this version, why rock the boat? The idea is supposed to be security, fixes, and new features. We can throw out new features and fixes if you're happy with everything as is.

Security is very buzzy and kind of vague to this type of user, but they also probably don't tread far off from popular (likely ... hopefully ... safe) websites.

So hmm, if not accessing unsafe websites, and hidden behind a router NAT, and with physical safety of home, I wonder if the benefit of rocking the boat (and getting more ads and crap) is worth it.

Like definitely risks are there for any internet connected device but weighing it would be interesting. Someone in infosec should do a real analysis of this situation.

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bitfucker 4 points 3 years ago

The problem with any device having any internet access at all is that it is quite trivial for a program to establish a connection to a known server (malware can initiate it) and then having those servers send commands back to the computer, effectively having control over it.

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hayes_ 3 points 3 years ago
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brianorca 2 points 3 years ago

The problem is "unsafe websites" is actually a very broad category. Even popular, reputable websites have accidentally hosted malware in the advertisements, some of which can infect without a click.

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Sam_Bass 0 points 3 years ago

Been how mine is for nearly 4 years now

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Red_sun_in_the_sky 1 point 3 years ago
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