Name & shame. :)

2 years ago by fossilesque to c/science_memes

yamapikariya 188 points 2 years ago

Dude. Couldn't even proofread the easy way out they took

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Carrolade 105 points 2 years ago

This almost makes me think they're trying to fully automate their publishing process. So, no editor in that case.

Editors are expensive.

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yamapikariya 19 points 2 years ago

If they really want to do it, they can just run a local language model trained to proofread stuff like this. Would be way better

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FiniteBanjo 12 points 2 years ago

This is exactly the line of thinking that lead to papers like this being generated.

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yamapikariya 1 point 2 years ago

I don't think so. They are using AI from a 3rd party. If they train their own specialized version, things will be better.

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TheFarm 27 points 2 years ago

This is what baffles me about these papers. Assuming the authors are actually real people, these AI-generated mistakes in publications should be pretty easy to catch and edit.

It does make you wonder how many people are successfully putting AI-generated garbage out there if they're careful enough to remove obviously AI-generated sentences.

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BluJay320 7 points 2 years ago

I definitely utilize AI to assist me in writing papers/essays, but never to just write the whole thing.

Mainly use it for structuring or rewording sections to flow better or sound more professional, and always go back to proofread and ensure that any information stays correct.

Basically, I provide any data/research and get a rough layout down, and then use AI to speed up the refining process.

EDIT: I should note that I am not writing scientific papers using this method, and doing so is probably a bad idea.

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fossilesque 5 points 2 years ago
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BluJay320 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, same. I’m good at getting my info together and putting my main points down, but structuring everything in a way that flows well just isn’t my strong suit, and I struggle to sit there for long periods of time writing something I could just explain in a few short points, especially if there’s an expectation for a certain length.

AI tools help me to get all that done whilst still keeping any core information my own.

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MBM 1 point 2 years ago

I've heard the word "delve" has suddenly become a lot more popular in some fields

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clearedtoland 154 points 2 years ago

Hold up. That actually got through to publishing??

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RedditWanderer 110 points 2 years ago

It's because nobody was there to highlight the text for them.

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exscape 30 points 2 years ago

The entire abstract is AI. Even without the explicit mention in one sentence, the rest of the text should've been rejected as nonspecific nonsense.

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canihasaccount 29 points 2 years ago

That's not actually the abstract; it's a piece from the discussion that someone pasted nicely with the first page in order to name and shame the authors. I looked at it in depth when I saw this circulate a little while ago.

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exscape 8 points 2 years ago

Ah, that makes more sense. I looked up the original abstract and indeed it looks more like what you'd expect (hard to comprehend for someone that's not in the field).

Though to clarify (for others reading this) they still did use generative AI to (help?) write the paper, which is only part of why it was withdrawn.

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RedditWanderer 4 points 2 years ago

Maybe a big red circle around the entire abstract would have helped

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hydroptic 42 points 2 years ago
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Ragdoll_X 27 points 2 years ago

yea lol

https://www.sciencedirect.com/...

I've recently been watching a lot of videos on prominent cases of fraud and malpractice like Francesca Gino, Claudine Gay, Hwang Woo-suk, etc., which prompted me to start reading more into meta-research as well, and now I'm basically paranoid about every paper I read. There's so much shady shit going on...

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homesweethomeMrL 4 points 2 years ago

Yep. And AI will totally help.

Ooh I mean not help. It’ll make it much worse. Particularly with the social sciences. Which were already pretty fuX0r3d anyway due to the whole “your emotions equal this number” thing.

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Cornelius_Wangenheim 20 points 2 years ago
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clearedtoland 16 points 2 years ago

Full disclosure: I don’t intend to be condescending.

Research Methods during my graduate studies forever changed the way I interpret just about any claim, fact, or statement. I’m obnoxiously skeptical and probably cynical, to be honest. It annoys the hell out of my wife but it beats buying into sensationalist headlines and miracle research. Then you get into the real world and see how data gets massaged and thrown around haphazardly…believe very little of what you see.

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Adalast 9 points 2 years ago

I have this problem too. My wife gets so annoyed at things because I question things I notice as biases or statistical irregularities instead of just accepting that they knee what they were doing. I have tried to explain it to her. Skepticism is not dismissal and it is not saying I am smarter than them, it is recognizing that they are human and that I may be more proficient in one spot they made a mistake than they were.

I will acknowledge that the lay need to stop trying to argue with scientists because "they did their own research", but the actually informed and educated need to do a better job of calling each other out.

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fossilesque 2 points 2 years ago
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dustyData 14 points 2 years ago

We are in top dystopia mode right now. Students have AI write articles that are proofread and edited by AI, submitted to automated systems that are AI vetted for publishing, then posted to platforms where no one ever reads the articles posted but AI is used to scrape them to find answers or train all the other AIs.

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veganpizza69 5 points 2 years ago

How generative AI is clouding the future of Google search

The search giant doesn’t just face new competition from ChatGPT and other upstarts. It also has to keep AI-powered SEO from damaging its results.

More or less the same phenomenon of signal pollution:

“Google is shifting its responsibility for maintaining the quality of results to moderators on Reddit, which is dangerous,” says Ray of Amsive. Search for “kidney stone pain” and you’ll see Quora and Reddit ranking in the top three positions alongside sites like the Mayo Clinic and the National Kidney Foundation. Quora and Reddit use community moderators to manually remove link spam. But with Reddit’s traffic growing exponentially, is a human line of defense sustainable against a generative AI bot army?

We'll end up using year 2022 as a threshold for reference criteria. Maybe not entirely blocked, but like a ratio... you must have 90% pre-2022 and 10% post-2022.

Perhaps this will spur some culture shift to publish all the data, all the notes, everything - which will be great to train more AI on. Or we'll get to some type of anti-AI or anti-crawler medium.

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shadowtofu 139 points 2 years ago

This article has been removed at the request of the Editors-in-Chief and the authors because informed patient consent was not obtained by the authors in accordance with journal policy prior to publication. The authors sincerely apologize for this oversight.

In addition, the authors have used a generative AI source in the writing process of the paper without disclosure, which, although not being the reason for the article removal, is a breach of journal policy. The journal regrets that this issue was not detected during the manuscript screening and evaluation process and apologies are offered to readers of the journal.

The journal regrets – Sure, the journal. Nobody assuming responsibility …

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Taako_Tuesday 81 points 2 years ago

What, nobody read it before it was published? Whenever I've tried to publish anything it gets picked over with a fine toothed comb. But somehow they missed an entire paragraph of the AI equivalent of that joke from parks and rec: "I googled your symptoms and it looks like you have 'network connectivity issues'"

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bitfucker 18 points 2 years ago

I am still baffled by the rat dick illustration that got past the review

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maculata 9 points 2 years ago

RAT DICK,

RAT DICK,

WHATCHA GONNA DO,

WHATCHAGONNADO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU.

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AlolanYoda 2 points 2 years ago

dck

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magic_lobster_party 6 points 2 years ago

Nobody would read it even after it was published. No scientist have time to read other’s papers. They’re too busy writing their own papers. This mistake probably made it more read than 99% of all other scientific papers.

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FiniteBanjo 3 points 2 years ago

I think that part of the issue is quantity and volume. You submit a few papers a year, an AI can in theory submit a few per minute. Even if you filter 98% of them, mistakes will happen.

That said, this particular error in the meme is egregious.

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Patrizsche 29 points 2 years ago

Daaaaamn they didn't even get consent from the patient😱😱😱 that's even worse

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Frenchy 14 points 2 years ago

I mean holy shit you’re right, the lack of patient consent is a much bigger issue than getting lazy writing the discussion.

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N4CHEM 6 points 2 years ago

It's removed from Elsevier's site, but still available on PubMed Central: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...

The worse part is, if I recall correctly, articles are stored in PubMed Central if they received public funding (to ensure public access), which means that this rubbish was paid with public funds.

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Bigoldmustard 0 points 2 years ago
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magnetosphere 123 points 2 years ago

To me, this is a major ethical issue. If any actual humans submitted this “paper”, they should be severely disciplined by their ethics board.

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bitfucker 91 points 2 years ago

But the publisher who published it should be liable too. Wtf is their job then? Parasiting off of public funded research?

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plantedworld 41 points 2 years ago

Yes

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Zozano 9 points 2 years ago

Bitfucker knew that was rhetorical.

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mynameisigglepiggle 1 point 2 years ago

How was that obvious?

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SuperCub 5 points 2 years ago

Research journals are often rated for the quality of the content they publish. My guess is that this "journal" is just shit. If you're a student or researcher, you will come across shit like this and you should be smart enough to tell when something is poor quality.

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AnUnusualRelic 6 points 2 years ago

A spanking!

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repungnant_canary 99 points 2 years ago

Maybe, if reviewers were paid for their job they could actually focus on reading the paper and those things wouldn't slide. But then Elsevier shareholders could only buy one yacht a year instead of two and that would be a nightmare...

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adenoid 37 points 2 years ago
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Ragdoll_X 12 points 2 years ago

I've always wondered if some sort of decentralized, community-led system would be better than the current peer review process.

That is, someone can submit their paper and it's publicly available for all to read, then people with expertise in fields relevant to that paper could review and rate its quality.

Now that I think about it it's conceptually similar to Twitter's community notes, where anyone with enough reputation can write a note and if others rate it as helpful it's shown to everyone. Though unlike Twitter there would obviously need to be some kind of vetting process so that it's not just random people submitting and rating papers.

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explodicle 5 points 2 years ago

Perhaps a Lemmy server, in which only moderator-approved users can vote on posts?

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fossilesque 11 points 2 years ago
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bananabenana 4 points 2 years ago

Open access credits is a fantastic idea. Unfortunately it goes against the business model of these parasites. Ultimately, these businesses provide little to no actual value except siphoning taxpayer money. I really prefer eLifes current model but it would be great if it was cheaper. arXiv, Biorxiv provides a better service than most journals IMO

Also I agree with the reviewing seriously and twice as often as publishing. Many people leave academia so reviewing more can cover them.

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mynameisigglepiggle -3 points 2 years ago

Perhaps paid reviews would increase quality because unpaid reviews are more susceptible to corruption

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match 6 points 2 years ago

Fuck that, they should pay special bounty hunters to expose LLM garbage, I'd take that job instantly

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 67 points 2 years ago

It's OK, nobody will be able to read it anyway because it's on Elsevier.

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PiratePanPan 63 points 2 years ago

Elsevier is such a fucking joke. Science should be free and open, anyways.

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Nobody 63 points 2 years ago

In Elsevier's defense, reading is hard and they have so much money to count.

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breadsmasher 44 points 2 years ago

the entire paragraph after the highlight is still AI too

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soloner 40 points 2 years ago

Guys it's simple they just need to automate AI to read these papers for them to catch if AI language was used. They can automate the entire peer review process /s

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blackstampede 40 points 2 years ago

I started a business with a friend to automatically identify things like this, fraud like what happened with Alzheimer's research, and mistakes like missing citations. If anyone is interested, has contacts or expertise in relevant domains or just wants to talk about it, hit me up.

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fossilesque 24 points 2 years ago
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AgentOrangesicle 4 points 2 years ago

Legend right here.

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match 21 points 2 years ago

What's the business model? (How does that generate revenue?)

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blackstampede 2 points 2 years ago

We're providing review assistance and some types of automated replication to publishers for a yearly rate, and planning to sell subscriptions to individual researchers for $50 /mo.

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weariedfae 38 points 2 years ago

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Diabolo96 38 points 2 years ago

They mistakenly sent the "final final paper.docx" file instead of the "final final final paper v3.docx". It could've happen to any of us.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 27 points 2 years ago

I would insert specific language into every single one of my submissions to see if my editors were doing their jobs. Only about 1/3 caught it. Short story long, I'm not just a researcher in a narrow field, I'm also an amateur marine biologist.

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KillingTimeItself 22 points 2 years ago

what if this was actually just a huge troll, and it wasn't AI.

Now that would be fucking hilarious.

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Linkerbaan 19 points 2 years ago

Most read Elsevier paper.

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MalReynolds 1 point 2 years ago

Chuckles.

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ICastFist 13 points 2 years ago

Raneem Bader, Ashraf Imam, Mohammad Alnees, Neta Adler, Joanthan ilia, Diaa Zugayar, Arbell Dan, Abed Khalaileh. You are all accused of using chatgpt or whatever else to write your paper. How do you plead?

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Rolando 29 points 2 years ago

How do you plead?

"I apologize, but I do not feel comfortable performing any pleas or participating in negative experiences. As an AI language model, I aim to help with document production. Perhaps you would like me to generate another article?"

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nxdefiant 8 points 2 years ago

My money is on non-existent. I bet one of those dudes is real, at best.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 2 years ago

How do you feel about using chatgpt as a translation tool?

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ICastFist 4 points 2 years ago

Depends on what kind of translation we're talking here. Translating some chatter? Translating a web page (most of these suck)? Translating a book for it to be published? Translating a book so you can read it yourself? Translating a scientific paper so you can publish it, without proofreading the translation?

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 2 years ago

Is it the personal vs. private vs. public use that is bothersome or is it just the fact that these fuckers didn't proofread I guess is what I'm trying to figure out

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ICastFist 2 points 2 years ago

They didn't proofread, plus there's a real chance that some other parts of the paper might be AI nonsense. If something so glaringly problematic got past, what smaller mistakes are also there? They effectively poisoned their own paper

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Tyoda 11 points 2 years ago
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Carrolade 11 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't you want a pediatric hepatobiliary surgeon? A four month old is going to be a tricky case, I'd think.

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otter 8 points 2 years ago

the chatbot couldn't even recommend the right specialist 😑

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maculata 2 points 2 years ago

Probs recommend a ‘Paedophile Hobgoblin’.

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SuperCub 10 points 2 years ago path: 0 10237622, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
anzo 9 points 2 years ago

All MDs, no PhDs. I wouldn't have read that anyway, but rejected instead of publishing hehe. "Long live the system!" /s

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