Billionaires aren't okay — for their mental health, time to drastically raise their taxes

3 years ago by MicroWave to c/politics

From threatening cage matches to backing RFK Jr., billionaires prove too much money detaches a person from reality

MicroWave 126 points 3 years ago
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PenguinJuice 69 points 3 years ago

And these are the kinds of people who become CEOs and Executives. They are not humanity's best, they are, quite honestly, humanity's worst.

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paintbucketholder 12 points 3 years ago

The upsetting thing is how many millions of people look up to them and try to emulate them just because they're billionaires.

Doesn't matter what kind of absolutely disgusting, horrible human being the person in question is - "But he's a successful business man!!" is all it takes to convince many people that they should aspire to act in the exact same way.

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ImpossibleRubiksCube 4 points 3 years ago
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Shardikprime 1 point 3 years ago

Fridge boy vs reptilian when

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ImpossibleRubiksCube 1 point 3 years ago
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Shardikprime 1 point 3 years ago

Well Yeah but he's not into space yet. Built like a freaking fridge tho I swear to God the dude comes from the robots universe

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theyresocool 93 points 3 years ago

Who thought giving trust fund kids a bunch of tax payer dollars was a good idea LOL

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BobbyBandwidth 48 points 3 years ago

I worked for a trust fund kid. It started off great until I realized he had no understanding of how money worked. Despite him saying / thinking he cared about the bottom line and the well being of the company, he really only cared about his ego and if his (rich) family thought he was successful.

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givesomefucks 22 points 3 years ago

The only thing really bad about their outlook, is it's not true for everyone.

UBI is basically "trust funds for all"

If everyone had a guaranteed income that would cover living expenses, a bunch of people wouldn't be so hyper fixated on money

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lingh0e 20 points 3 years ago

I worked for a guy who was given his family's company. When I told him my 4th birthday was approaching he tried to relate to me by asking if I was getting a boat over 40 ft because "a man's age should never be less than his age.". Because not only did he think I had a massive boat, he also thought I would buy a new one as I grew older.

This guy also refused to hire actual employees if he didn't have to. Everyone was "temp".

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cheeseblintzes 5 points 3 years ago

I have some friends in higher places than I.

One was doing the move from California to Vegas that a lot of people with money did a few years back.

I had asked him to explain, and he started with “ok, so say you make a million dollars a year…”

Sir, I have never seen that many zeroes in my bank account, fuck you mean?

Love him… but he’s a bit out of touch.

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theyresocool 1 point 3 years ago

Yea, it’s all super dysfunctional.

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marmo7ade -26 points 3 years ago
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BobbyBandwidth 15 points 3 years ago

I don’t understand your point. This was my personal experience.

It seems like you’re trying to disprove my experience or perhaps the generalization that trust fund kids don’t understand money by using one random example of Kanye West, which is pretty weak imo

Correlation doesn’t equal causation but you can’t just cherry pick examples to disprove a cultural phenomenon

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Anders429 6 points 3 years ago

This has nothing to do with the comment you responded to. Perhaps you responded to the wrong comment?

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ZombieTheZombieCat 6 points 3 years ago

Other trust fund kids

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Draces 3 points 3 years ago
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Skaryon 57 points 3 years ago

I heard trips to the titanic are great for them to release some pressure.

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Hextic 5 points 3 years ago

Maybe some based rocket engineer can switch out some metrics with some imperial next Bezo space flight.

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EfficaciousSkink 49 points 3 years ago

In addition to taxation, make them share their wealth with all of their employees. Their working people deserve the money more than the government.

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SomethingBurger 32 points 3 years ago

Ideally, tax money would be spent by the government in a way that benefits workers.

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 20 points 3 years ago

Walmart employees get a ton of welfare money but are still mistreated. It would be better for the workers if they had a say in how the company was run, rather than getting their employment subsidized by tax money.

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cheeseblintzes 8 points 3 years ago

I was making $15/hr at Walmart over the pandemic when I just couldn’t stand to be at home anymore.

I was STILL on food stamps and had Medicaid.

It’s asinine, I’m not even mad they fucked with the heiresses boat in Ibiza.

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FlyingSquid 15 points 3 years ago

The workers should control the means of production. Imagine if every worker owned a stake in the company they worked for and got to vote on corporate decisions...

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FrankLaskey 6 points 3 years ago

Exactly. The higher taxes should all go to healthcare, education and housing for working class people. And the leftovers should simply become dividends to provide additional support to the neediest. Oh and if people have issues with ‘welfare checks make people lazy’ or some other BS that’s repeatedly been proven to be nothing more than racist neoliberal propaganda then use the rest to fund something like the green new deal and all the jobs that will create. Or incubators for worker co-ops which are not only more fair and democratic in terms of allocation of wealth but make this kind of exploitative elite profiteering impossible.

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stanleytweedle 48 points 3 years ago

Really glad to see this take. Nobody balks at the idea that 'hoarding' is a mental health issue when poor people do it. It's about time we recognize obscene wealth is bad for everyone in society, including the people who hold it.

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30isthenew29 14 points 3 years ago

Maybe things would change if the billionaires were convinced it’s bad for themselves.

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stanleytweedle 13 points 3 years ago

It would, but they won't.

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30isthenew29 1 point 3 years ago

True true

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Chainweasel 33 points 3 years ago
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joel_feila 5 points 3 years ago

I wpuld go with jerk personally

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Wilziac 6 points 3 years ago

"Jerked Jerk"

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BongRipsMcGee420 2 points 3 years ago

What kind of barbecue? I'd prefer a vinegar-based North Carolina style sauce

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Percy 1 point 3 years ago

I'll just have em bland. Maybe have ketchup if it tastes good otherwise nothing.

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Saneless 31 points 3 years ago

Really the best thing we can do is give in to their fantasies and convince people like Elon Musk that he can kill a tiger with his bare hands

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lingh0e 13 points 3 years ago

There goes my hero, watch him as he goes.

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xMadwood 31 points 3 years ago

It’s not as simple as raising taxes when they use creative accounting to live “at a loss” and pay for everything with loans while most of their holdings remain untaxable.

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Th4tGuyII 16 points 3 years ago

It's quite annoying that it is so plain to see how wealthy these people are, yet they're able to make themselves dirt poor on paper.

If only there was a way to force them to liquidate, rather than living on loans perpetually backed by their stock assets.

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ask 11 points 3 years ago

"Raise taxes" clearly also includes things like ending the 15% long term capital gains rate so they have to pay real income tax like the rest of us and fixing other things like that

It just means make them pay more by unspecified means

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givesomefucks 11 points 3 years ago

pay for everything with loans while most of their holdings remain untaxable.

Those loans are drying up...

But just because that exists doesn't mean we can't stop it.

Just write a law that cumulative loans over $x get charged a tax due when the loan is made. Have the bank treat it like "sales tax" and process it themselves before making the payment.

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Seraph 7 points 3 years ago

Absolutely correct, increase their taxes, close the legal loopholes.

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oDDmON 5 points 3 years ago

Look no further than Hollywood studios for a primer in creative accounting, they’ve kept tens millions for themselves over decades.

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markr 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, which is why a wealth tax needs to be implemented.

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joel_feila 1 point 3 years ago

Net worth tax

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markr 28 points 3 years ago

Sure, but more to the point, we need to overhaul the entire socio-economic system. The neolibs experiment in deregulation and privatization and prioritizing profit growth has manifestly failed.

The stunningly stupid thing is that we basically have the tech to automate a huge amount of the labor required to produce all the stuff humans need and to at least try to do that sustainably, the problem is we don’t know how to organize a society that can run on much less human labor.

What keeps me up at night is the thought that one obvious way to reorganize around a much smaller human labor requirement is to have a much smaller population. Isn’t that the radical right end game here? Isn’t that why Very Rich People have gone full fascist?

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dangblingus 8 points 3 years ago

Most of the words you just wrote are insurmountable to the average voter. But no. The Very Rich People don't want the population to decrease. They can dogwhistle to conservative voters about "demographic group x" and how they want them gone, but the ruling class needs infinite growth, and you can't have infinite growth (realistically at all) without a growing population.

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markr 1 point 3 years ago

Oh I think they (the tech-fascist oligarchs) accept that the current system has hit its growth limit, is played out. They are aware that the ecosystem interface with capitalism has been shredded to the extent that we are in multiple related crisis - all driven by the perpetual growth requirement of the system, and that the end result is a massive die-off anyway. They intend to accelerate that end while they can still control (or at least think they can still control) the transition to whatever the next phase of the system is.

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DragonAce 3 points 3 years ago

What keeps me up at night is the thought that one obvious way to reorganize around a much smaller human labor requirement is to have a much smaller population. Isn’t that the radical right end game here? Isn’t that why Very Rich People have gone full fascist?

I've thought about this several times myself. Its like these mfers saw Kingsman and said, lets run with that idea. Wiping out mass swaths of the population would allow them to negate a small portion of human climate impact so they can keep on polluting and add another zero to their quarterly statement. I have no clue if this is something they think about, but one thing I do know is that these people are sick fucks and completely detached from reality. Hoarding extreme wealth is no different from hoarding a house full of random crap, its just their hoarding problem is all digital and doesn't attract roaches.

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tallwookie 1 point 3 years ago

I'm all for automation but what do the people who are unemployable do (other than not work, lol)? how do they pay for the goods and services they need?

we're nowhere near a post-scarcity society. who/what mechanism pays for and/or creates the resources used by those people that can't get their own resources because their purpose has been automated away?

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Thetimefarm 11 points 3 years ago

Is arbitrary busy work a good answer? Because that's the system we have now. Also production costs would drop dramatically after the initial investment which would make things cheaper. Of course none of the companies would actually lower prices unless they were forced to but that could be arranged.

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tallwookie 0 points 3 years ago

eh... forcing companies to do something like that has the socialism stink stuck to it - no politician is going to ruin their life's work by supporting socialism... unless they're on death's door/have nothing to lose, and really no one should anything they have to say at that point. no, I dont see that happening.

I'm sure there's quite a few meaningless/useless jobs out there - probably at least 30%, but if we automate them away (as with the recent snafu between movie studios and actors), then those people that have been obsoleted will need to find new things to do - preferably, things that positively contribute to society - but you can only have so many musicians, artists, poets, etc before their value is also devalued.

some folks will try to claim that UBI has a place, but they never explain where the resources come from - the government cant just print more money, that leads to rampant inflation. so - how do we support people that have no purpose, no value? how do they eat? ultimately, I suspect that with enough automation and the looming overpopulation crunch, we're in for a few really bad decades.

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Hextic 21 points 3 years ago

Let us relieve them of their burdens.

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UltraMagnus0001 3 points 3 years ago

We need cake! We need cake! We need cake! We need cake! We need cake!

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tallwookie 1 point 3 years ago

is digital currency a burden?

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fiah 20 points 3 years ago
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Percy 3 points 3 years ago

That's one way to do it.

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Frittiert 3 points 3 years ago

Certainly the most efficient way, and capitalism taught me to always strive for maximum efficiency.

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Screwthehole 4 points 3 years ago

If you want to maximize efficiency, all parts that can be consumed should be, much like how indigenous peoples know how to utilize all the parts of the buffalo.

In other words, eating the rich should prove more efficient than simply using a guillotine alone.

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Bluefalcon 19 points 3 years ago path: 0 1399989, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 0
lennybird 16 points 3 years ago

In a way I commend the likes of Musk for galvanizing people against billionaires and advancing social movements. He's so dislikable that it's productive.

People don't always grasp the amount of money a billionaire has. Let's put it in perspective:

A billionaire looks at $200,000 the same way a person with a $100,000 salary looks at $20 (for reference, a 1-millionaire looks at $200 the same).

It's also worth noting the power billionaires have relative to their country's size. Looking at Number of billionaires per million people. You could probably take this and weigh it further against the median per-capita GDP to see how much clout one billionaire has versus the population. For example, while India has a low # of billionaires / million people, the power the ~169 billionaires there have an overwhelming share of the total wealth of that nation.

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ShellMonkey 11 points 3 years ago

What's funny to me is that many years ago Musk was viewed by a lot of the internet as this great engineering golden boy. Once cemented in the untouchable ranks of the gilded elite he opened his mouth more publically and fell flat on his face.

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Space_Jamke 8 points 3 years ago

That's the power of branding and a good PR team, at least until Musk got high on his own supply and fired his PR team. His rise and fall is a bit similar to Purdue Pharma's Oxycontin marketing campaign; once the veneer of altruism was peeled off revealing an ant's nest of lies and greed destroying people's lives for profit, hype turned to horror.

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lennybird 4 points 3 years ago

A lot of his fans really thought he was some genius Tony Stark when in reality he just had loads of money to hire smart people to do the thinking for him. Something always rubbed me wrong with him even from the early days.

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escaped_cruzader 2 points 3 years ago

People don’t always grasp the amount of money a billionaire has

How much money do you think billionaires have?

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PeckerBrown 14 points 3 years ago

Dunno about them, but my mental health would be improved if those parasites paid taxes.

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30isthenew29 6 points 3 years ago

Would have to be global though to not take their wealth out of the country.

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PenguinJuice 9 points 3 years ago

I've been preaching this for years. That level of greed is disgusting and should really be dissected as a society to understand what makes someone like that. It's a huge personality disorder.

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Currens_felis 3 points 3 years ago

When Kanye West gets is the good one, something is wrong

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30isthenew29 2 points 3 years ago

Could you rephrase that? I don’t understand.

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Currens_felis 2 points 3 years ago

The article mentioned that Kanye West went down the same road as the other billionaires, but seems to have returned to reality after losing his brand deals and being boycotted by most people.

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HubertManne 1 point 3 years ago

man there is a monty python sketch for this that I just can't find.

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Phegan 1 point 3 years ago
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moitoi -1 points 3 years ago

Nothing new, it was the case in the past, it still is.

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KoofNoof -4 points 3 years ago

How would you realistically enforce this? They can just throw money to prevent this from happening. Or find other loopholes

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tallwookie 1 point 3 years ago

realistically, there's no way to prevent it

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tallwookie -4 points 3 years ago

that'd require overhauling the tax code - probably scrapping it entirely & drafting an entirely new code... and that's very unlikely

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MomoTimeToDie -15 points 3 years ago

Fuck that. Taxation is theft.

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Chetzemoka 6 points 3 years ago

Taxation is forecasting of weather and earthquakes, standard weights and measures, roads, timekeeping, consumer product safety standards... you know, all the things you depend on daily to just live your life.

I swear to God it's like trying to get a fish to see water. Lack of taxes and lack of government regulation hurts the working class and benefits corporations and the wealthy.

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MomoTimeToDie -5 points 3 years ago

Yes. It's unfortunate that some minimum amount of taxation is a necessary evil we haven't been able to replace. It should still be minimized as much as possible.

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eskimofry 4 points 3 years ago

Lol the person who thinks one person makes the world go around.

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AllonzeeLV 1 point 3 years ago

Then private property is theft as well.

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Shardikprime -3 points 3 years ago

It is. I get about 60% of my salary taken each month. Money I poured time in and I will never see it again.i get nothing from it except tired.

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