Do or do not, there is no try

2 years ago by emergencyfood to c/memes

Denvil 120 points 2 years ago

"Shot an unpopular politician"

Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

(Yes ik Trump)

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itsgroundhogdayagain 33 points 2 years ago

"Entire nation hates him"

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scytale 49 points 2 years ago

It’s kinda true in the sense that:

  • One side hates him because he tried to kill their god.

  • Another side hates him because he missed.

  • And another side hates him for attempting it in the first place because all it does is make an already very unstable political situation even worse no matter the outcome.

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XTL 4 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing it's closer to 190 nations. (Trump, not the assassin)

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DmMacniel 2 points 2 years ago

then who votes for him ffs?

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Reddfugee42 19 points 2 years ago

The bulletpoints are describing the assassin

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LemmyKnowsBest 5 points 2 years ago

I mean, define "popular politician" / " unpopular politician." Does the fact that the media constantly shoves all these yahoos in our faces make these political figures popular? Unpopular? It's all corrupt and I hate every mention of ANY politician's names, while some people choose politicians to cheer for like it's a fekkin sports team.

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botorfj 82 points 2 years ago

did I really learn about an assassination attempt thru lemmy

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Zachariah 117 points 2 years ago

Isn’t that the point of Lemmy? So you don’t have to rawdog news?

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botorfj 14 points 2 years ago

yeah i suppose that’s better

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Psythik 2 points 2 years ago

I mean news is literally the only reason why I visit Lemmy.

When I want memes, I go to imgur.

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supertrucker 5 points 2 years ago

Oh, you want your news filtered, but you will happily rawdog Becky who may or may not have Clamidia

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Squirrel 1 point 2 years ago

For sure, but I don't know about that phrasing...

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Zachariah 1 point 2 years ago

How about:
Isn’t that the point of Lemmy? So you can get additional context and perspectives with the news?

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ricecake 83 points 2 years ago

Same, felt weird.

Beyond that, I learned about it via a particularly cold meme.

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HaleHirsute 24 points 2 years ago

I was glad to see that meme to remember the anecdote. Valuable info in these times.

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Kusimulkku 9 points 2 years ago

For me it was 4chan's technology board /g/ of all places

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the_post_of_tom_joad 6 points 2 years ago
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anachronist 56 points 2 years ago

There was a time when America could reliably produce assassins who could kill both presidential candidates and even sitting presidents. What the he'll happened? Deindustralization? Too much porn and video games?

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EABOD25 4 points 2 years ago

Radicalization of ideologies is my bet. Radicals on both sides scream that the other side is evil which creates something broken in the easily influenced. Hell there's even some radicals that believe that Trump needed to be killed to stop him. And thanks to this person, Trumps side is only bolstered.

I'm sure the next thing we will see is finger pointing. However whoever is going to read this and wants to hear some wisdom from a fellow random internet stranger; let this guy stand alone. Do not blame the other side or accuse them of wild theories or accusations. If you do go radical, the situation is only going to get worse

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toasteecup 4 points 2 years ago

Wasn't the failed assassin a registered Republican?

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psivchaz 5 points 2 years ago

I think people are placing too much on this. Being registered is just sending a piece of mail with a checkbox checked, I think. You don't even have to donate or anything. I registered as a Republican to vote in their primaries a long time ago, and I have literally never voted for a Republican candidate for any office.

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Croquette 3 points 2 years ago

Any sane person would think like you, but if the shooter was a registered democrat, you know that the GOP would have used that as well to accuse Biden even more.

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anachronist 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah but he also donated to ActBlue so it sounds like he was a RINO Libtard. Probably a Marco Rubio supporter.

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supertrucker 3 points 2 years ago

This needs a catchy name, like 'forging the coin'

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refalo 3 points 2 years ago

Why can't we meet in the middle and find a compromise?

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EABOD25 2 points 2 years ago

Your guess is as good as mine. Fear, anger, self-righteousness, ego, self-esteem, etc... I don't think there is a one good answer to that question

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Hextubewontallowme 2 points 2 years ago

I mean, ye can psycho-analyze the nation for all ye want, but they're merely symptoms of the material conditions and environment the nation has been built in

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Hextubewontallowme 0 points 2 years ago
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Hextubewontallowme -1 points 2 years ago

Idk... for all I know, you don't wanna be in the middle of a gunfight, do ye?

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RedditRefugee69 2 points 2 years ago

Inb4 Republican conspiracy that Biden told his secret service to intentionally lapse security in order to assassinate Trump. If you thought Benghazi conspiracies were bad…

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Kusimulkku 47 points 2 years ago

I think you'll see plenty of attempts after this, some inspired by it and others in retaliation. Fun times for the US

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magic_lobster_party 28 points 2 years ago

Secret service will step up their security after this, so another attempt as close as this is unlikely

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Kusimulkku 21 points 2 years ago

Failed attempts are enough to escalate things. And with enough attempts, some especially against smaller targets might succeed. It's gonna get intetesting

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magic_lobster_party 6 points 2 years ago

I’m pretty sure Secret Service is well aware of this, so they will escalate their security accordingly.

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fishos 9 points 2 years ago

The same Secret Service who left one of the only buildings in the area unsecured? Who when told there was a shooter by the crowd, ignored them? Making a lot of assumptions about competency here when that's already directly in question.

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Kusimulkku 5 points 2 years ago

I don't doubt that, I'm sure they're doing their best

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fishos 6 points 2 years ago

Umm... Shouldn't the first attempt have been unlikely? This literally proves Secret Service isn't as competent as you believe.

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Track_Shovel 38 points 2 years ago

You are all talking about Abe's assassination, but forgetting this happened

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massive_bereavement 24 points 2 years ago

That act weakened the Japanese Socialist party (center-left), emboldened the far-right, caused copycats and ensured the current party stayed in power for most of the twentieth century.

That's not to say that Asanuma was a scummy maoist and had forced his party to support the terrible war in Asia.

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greenskye 23 points 2 years ago

I've honestly been really surprised that this was the only 'real' assassination attempt in recent memory. I was surprised that no one went after Obama, nor Trump after him and Biden after him. The rage was so high, yet it's only now that anyone from either side makes a real attempt.

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Thomrade 6 points 2 years ago

I'm just making a guess here, but there could have been more attempts that were nippedl in the bud early enough that we have never heard of them, because the would-be assaains were sloppier and got caught.

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randy 4 points 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

You're correct. You'll notice every president in recent history has multiple assassination attempts listed. The bulk of them don't go very far.

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NikkiDimes 3 points 2 years ago

Oh I'm sure that's the case. There are probably many attempts. Having said that, it's shocking this is the only one in recent times that has gotten this close.

I guess Bush had a shoe thrown at him though.

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Gigagoblin 20 points 2 years ago

the ö's make this even more amusing, as i can't be sure it was an accidental dick-up instead of a nordic memelord giggling themself to sleep.

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emergencyfood 7 points 2 years ago

The long o (oe or ö) is a sound present in north European languages, and also in many Asian languages, including Japanese.

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Gigagoblin 19 points 2 years ago

am Finnish, so i responded as such. for Japanese, however, you'd use ō instead. that is not an ö. ou is also acceptable.

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emergencyfood 6 points 2 years ago

You're right, it should be ou here, not oe.

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Arello 4 points 2 years ago

Long o in Finnish is oo, ö is pronounced different and could also be pronounced as long öö.

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emergencyfood 1 point 2 years ago

Long o in Finnish is oo

That is logical and sensible. Unfortunately, oo in English is a long u, so long o has to be approximated as oe.

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RickAstleyfounddead 11 points 2 years ago

Who's that chad

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velox_vulnus 22 points 2 years ago
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bangsnooter 16 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia

On 8 July 2022, Tetsuya Yamagami appeared at the northern exit of Yamato-Saidaiji Station, Nara at 11:30 am, where Shinzo Abe was delivering a campaign speech for a Liberal Democratic Party candidate in the upcoming Upper House election. Abe was positioned inside a traffic island of the crossroad, facing away from the train station. Yamagami was situated behind Abe, with a street separating them. Subsequently, Yamagami began to slowly approach Abe, going unnoticed by Abe's bodyguards. Yamagami then discharged a homemade shotgun, seemingly not hitting anyone in the vicinity. Upon hearing the noise, Abe turned his head to look behind him. Yamagami took a few steps forward and fired a second round. Abe immediately displayed signs of severe pain and collapsed to the ground. Abe's bodyguards rushed towards Yamagami and restrained him on the ground.

Yamagami told investigators that his motive had been personal rather than political.[55][56][57][58] After his mother joined the Unification Church around 1991 to 1998,[a][26] she had given the church about 100 million yen (US$720,000), a parcel of land she had inherited from her father, and the house where she lived with her three children; she subsequently declared bankruptcy in 2002. She had continued donating to the church following the bankruptcy. Yamagami's uncle recalled being contacted by Yamagami and his siblings to complain that they had no food at home, electric bills and house rent were often overdue, prompting the uncle to deliver meals and money for living expenses.

Yamagami blamed the Unification Church for his family's financial problems and held a grudge against the group. Researching the church's connections to Abe in the months before the attack, he believed the former prime minister and his maternal grandfather, former prime minister Nobusuke Kishi, spread the church's influence in Japan.

Yamagami is described by some commentators who wrote for The Economist and The Atlantic as one of the most effective political assassins in recent history. The assassination brought the many social issues with the Unification Church under the spotlight again, as well as tumbled the approval of the ruling party. Under the public pressure, the responsible ministry decided to file a dissolution order against the UC with the Tokyo District Court on 13 October 2023, after nearly a year of investigation of wrongdoings.

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Paraponera_clavata 4 points 2 years ago

Why was he imperialist?

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emergencyfood 25 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't call him imperialist, but he repeatedly denied WW2 Japanese war crimes (in particular the Nanking massacre and the use of Korean 'comfort women'). This is the rough equivalent of a German Chancellor denying the Holocaust.

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Kusimulkku 7 points 2 years ago

I think that's par for the course for Japanese politicians. A lot of them seem to categorically deny all the atrocities.

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Paraponera_clavata 3 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't call him imperialist either. I think he was a pretty decent leader for Japan. He wasn't murdered for his politics, but because of his religious affiliation.

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velox_vulnus 6 points 2 years ago
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Paraponera_clavata 1 point 2 years ago

Okay, so conservative and revisionist, but not imperialist. Maybe imperial-adjacent. Thanks for the deets.

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Gigagoblin 1 point 2 years ago

do you got your own spoon at least?

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Kusimulkku 6 points 2 years ago

I think for the discussion it'd be a lot better to explain why. Makes things easier for all

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Paraponera_clavata 1 point 2 years ago

I don't know what this means.

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Diplomjodler3 17 points 2 years ago

The guy that killed Shinzo Abe.

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bruhduh 0 points 2 years ago
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TheReturnOfPEB -2 points 2 years ago

murdering leaders dissuades good people from showing up to lead

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