Artificial price increase so that you can post “discounts” on Prime Day
2 years ago by Showroom7561 to c/mildlyinfuriating
Amazon Prime Days ran on July 16th and 17th (at least here, in Canada).
This price jump happened a day before and ended two days later, but this item was "on sale" during those two Prime Days.
I've been seeing this scam far too often, especially with food items. Why isn't this illegal yet?
Also illegal in the EU, when posting a "sale" the price compared to must be the lowest price the outlet had for the product in the previous 30 days. So unless they want to increase the price for over 30 days, this trick isn't going to fly.
For this context with Amazon though, prime is totally different in the EU than the US.
There are few countries with Amazon (eg Germany) and thus for most the benefit is that prime only gets free shipping on smaller orders that wouldn't qualify normally, and faster processing in the warehouse. Maybe you get your shit a day or two earlier.
In the US it's next day vs a week.
Point being there are far fewer prime accounts in EU so Amazon likely doesn't care if they can't discount as "deeply" as in the US.
Amazon isn’t an outlet though, is that the wording in the law? Because that implies it’s for brick and mortar only.
In the exact wording they speak of a "Trader". It's for both webshops and brick and mortar. And I think it applies to the entity and not the specific shop. So if a company has more than one shop, the lowest price on any of those shops would apply.
Now this is new law and hasn't been fully tested, I'm sure shops will try things to evade this new regulation, but in the past the EU has not taken kindly to shit like that.
Interesting.
In Canada for Black Friday and boxing day they just have new SKUs (models made specifically for sale that day), but these are also usually cheaper than the normal ones. I think they’re actually made from the bottom tier of acceptable parts. So the quality is marginally lower on these models.
I could be wrong on the latter part.
They get around it by having a sale on a special version of the product that had a higher price in the past 30 to 90 days. The version is the same as normal, but with a different serial number.
Only that version goes on "sale" for Black Friday or whatever, so they are technically following the law. They do it in the US too. Literally look it up on Camel Camel Camel during a sale.
Many places are totally fine with only putting an item on "sale" less than every month. If you keep 1/4 of you items on sale, you're covered, even if you only keep something on sale for a single week.
It's the same story in US and Canada. Illegal, but not really enforced. And when it is enforced the the penalties aren't strong enough to be a deterrent.
It is illegal in Canada. Enforcement is the issue.
Of course. And since enforcement is basically non-existent, it doesn't matter how illegal it is!
It's semi-amazing how feckless our government is when it comes to anything related to market fairness.
It is fair... Companies paid $X lobbying our gov't and in return they get to do shit and profit
Fair!
I suspect there's more to it then that.
Yes, I don't know when it started exactly, but it predates Trudeau.
Years ago, I wanted to buy a new TV, in the middle of October. My wife said that we should wait to black Friday but I told her that black Friday was a scam so I bought it right there. I keep following the price of the TV and how is slowly but surely rise price every other day, until black Friday when it got a 40% discount and was still more than I paid a month before.
Plus, many manufacturers make black Friday specific runs with cheaper parts, so it's possibly as expensive for a worse product.
Same for the whole of the European union.
This post must be a Freedom©®™ thing we're too unfree to understand
Some brands do this continually. That's how Eddie Bauer or The Gap is constantly having a 30% off sale on one thing or another.
And it works. It's called "price anchoring."
I think many companies will put sales on overpriced items to make it seem like a deal, but it's hard to catch the ones who inflate the prices just before a sale happens (which brings the sale price down to the regular price). The latter is a bigger problem, IMO.
For anyone with the kneejerk reaction "AMERICA BAD!" because of this, it's against FTC regulations here in the USA, but hasn't been enforced in 50 years.
We are allowed to sue over it, but no one does. Caveat Emptor indeed.
We are allowed to sue over it, but no one does.
SCOTUS has drastically reduced the standing allowed for class action lawsuits. The ROI on these suits is very small. So you are talking about possibly weeks or months of your life to get the nuisance value of a very small claim. And that's assuming the court doesn't dismiss your claim on standing or misfiling or whatever other legal hoop you need to jump through.
For anyone with the kneejerk reaction “AMERICA BAD!”
This is precisely why "AMERICA BAD!" The legal system is intentionally inaccessible to large pools of small claimants and only exists to facilitate disputes between large business interests or between wealthy private parties and the state.
And if you think the civil system is bad, wait till you find out the ratfvckery that goes on in the criminal system.
This is a tale as old as time. We did this in the late 90s at an office supply store. Every Sunday night changing price tags "ooh guess there will be a sale on resume paper in the next few weeks". 1-4 weeks out we would increase prices on some items just to lower them back when the ad came out.
Camelcamelcamel.com kind of sucks in terms of their search, but they will find you the best price for things on Amazon.
I never liked CCC for some reason, not sure if it was the UI or what. Been rocking Keepa for many years without any trouble. I set price notifications for items that I can wait for, but usually check price history for everything else.
I'm actually glad that the Amazon wishlist also tells you that an item is now priced lower than when it was added to the wishlist. It makes it a little easier to identify price drops.
I love Keepa, and the Firefox addon. However, they seemed to nerf their wishlist features (auto sync problems, 10 items max, etc). Noticed after missing deals, due to not receiving alerts of price drops. Still very useful, but CCC now has more reliable auto tracking lists (just add to wishlist, it will auto sync and email any drops).
but CCC now has more reliable auto tracking lists (just add to wishlist, it will auto sync and email any drops).
Well, I may give CCC another try. That feature would be HUGE for me.
I’ll advocate for the CCC Firefox extension, but email alerts are the big ticket item. If I know there’s something I want to buy, I’ll set myself a price that I think is reasonable and just wait until I receive an email saying it’s hit that range.
I'll check it out. Thanks.
once they drive most other retailers out of business, they'll be able to jack the prices up. has been the plan the whole time
I started shopping at Walmart because of this, completely gave up on Amazon.
Realized what I was missing out on after buying some new strings for my guitar. Sat and talked to the people working for probably 30 minutes, then they told me to just bring it in and they will put the strings on really quick since they have better tools.
Ended up being cheaper than Amazon and got us out of the house.
uh, doesn't Walmart do the exact same thing?
They probably do, but it’s a lesser of two evils where I live. People can shit on me and downvote away, but there is no choice where I live except driving an hour.
understandable, I judged too quickly.
Fuck that noise. Walmart is infinitely worse for communities than Amazon.
Train system is not exactly viable here compared to using a car (Belgium)
Edit: but yeah the rest is about right
It's against FTC regulations in the US too. The trick is getting them to enforce it.
I took a screenshot of my wishlist a few weeks before Prime Day. During Prime Day, about half of the items had Prime Day discounts but only three of them where actually cheaper. The best discounts I found were on other smaller web stores trying to compete with Amazon on Prime Day.
They do this on Black Friday and Boxing Day sales too, it's nothing new.
We have a local gas station that'll do this sort of shit too. Like, on the 20th or 21st of every month, they'll give a 30 cent discount on gasoline, but somehow most people don't even notice that they conveniently raised the price by 30 cents the day before..
So the universe remains stable, and the people are getting fucked, as usual. ☹️
Some people want it. I worked in retail at a place that advertised "every day low prices." This meant that if an item was marked as such, it was never going to go on sale. Very often it was the cheapest you could find the item anywhere.
I had people put the item in their cart, ask me if it was on sale, I told them the above, and they put it back. Nearly every time.
Hell JC Penny almost went bankrupt when they stopped deceptive pricing.
People are stupid.
And it's very well known, yet somehow people continue to fall for it.
A tale as old as time.
Lol yep. Literally Amazon 101, there's a very good reason you shouldn't buy from them unless you HAVE to.
I do score some very good deals on Amazon, but I also use a browser plug-in that lets me get a notification once my desired price has been reached. I always look at the historical charts, though. Some items are constantly going up and down in price. At least we have that option with Amazon, and not so much with our local grocery stores :(
I bought something at lowest price ever on prime day according to camel camel, but now it's way up with a coupon to bring it down to the same amount. So may not be getting a good deal as much as you think.
I noticed a vevor mixer that usually goes for a bit under $500 was on "sale" but the price hasn't changed, and the regular price went up to $650. Now that prime is over, it's sale price increased to $550.
Pretty lame.
Having said that, though, I did find some things I wanted for cheaper than usual, that I needed.
Never purchase without Keepa check. I even google image search temu to find the Amazon link and check history
Android temu app See Chinese trash I want in my home Screenshot Share image to Google search app Open Amazon link that matches product See keepa pricing history Decide whether to purchase Chinese trash based on cost and knowing increased shipping time over Prime
Just use canelcamelcamel imo
I hate their UI
Fuck Amazon. I never use them and my life hasn't materially changed one iota since I stopped like 5 years ago.
In the last 5 years, Amazon (for me) has had lower food prices than nearly all local grocery stores for certain items. The "trick' is to park those items in a wishlist and set a notification for when the price drops to a level you are willing to pay (via browser add-on), then you can really save a lot.
But for most items, it's a gamble to assume you are getting the lowest price, even when they are on sale. But then again, I think most stores play the same games, so consumers are always on the losing end no matter where they shop.
80% of the items I considered had either jacked up the price prior to prime days, or advertised a large discount when the actual discount was tiny - a few percent. I ended up buying nothing. Amazon sucks.
I think most stores do this. But with Amazon, you can at least use a browser plugin to actually know when you're getting a good deal.
That said, if I could avoid Amazon, I likely would.
One of the many reasons I dropped Prime in January when my annual subscription ran out. I now avoid amazon where possible, or for certain things I'll group them up until I have enough items to get free shipping and order that way.
No prime day garbage No more "oh, let me order this thing I don't really need that will get here in a few hours"
Keepa
This one browser extension has likely saved me thousands over the years. Since most of my purchases can wait, I'm often scoring the true lowest price for an item when I do have to buy something.
The only deal I find on prime day is storage. Usually pick up a SSD or few SD cards and save a few bucks.
I had a DVD box set in my wishlist for a while. It was "50%" off during the sale, but I think the price actually went up by about $10. I did still snag a bunch of movies for under $20 each, which at least feels like a good price.
I noticed this literally on the first Prime Day. Items on my list were 'on sale' and I was lucky enough I'd just looked through my list 2 days prior. Nothing had a deeper discount. It's literally all fabricated to push the trash out they're trying to get rid of, and push you to buy items you've been looking at. There's not even a thin veil over it. Honestly been thinking of cancelling Prime because even the shipping has been bullshit lately.
You're a dipshit sucker dumbass if you bought anything, at any point, on the existence of advertising, of Hallmark holidays, Easter, Christmas, any given holiday, pseudo holiday, religious holiday, non-religious holiday, your mother's, and/or anyone in your family's special event... And on and on. How fucking naive does one have to be, in today's world, to think prices wouldn't be jacked up prior to a sales event?
People keep clutching their pearls at all the capitalist things happening, but in November, you all are going to vote for capitalists.
Well there are only 2 choices in a FPTP election system.
That's what I said.
You're all going to vote for capitalists.
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