Thanks, SpaceNoodle <3
rigatti 6 points 3 years ago
Why did Beehaw defederate?
Edit: Nevermind, found it: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
briongloid 4 points 3 years ago
Go into your profile settings, you can select what it defaults to and in the case of the Jerboa it defaults both desktop and the app.
I recommend default sort to NewComments.
Bucket_of_Truth 1 point 3 years ago
kbin is working much better than lemmy on that front.
Lemmyin 7 points 3 years ago
I agree that kbin is less buggy. However there’s something in the user interface that confuses me a little, mostly with the way pictures are placed in the feeds.
But it’s more polished and theres a great "feel" to it. Can’t wait to see where it goes.
TheDemonBuer 84 points 3 years ago
I'm just sticking to lemmy.world for now. It doesn't have all the communities I want yet but it seems more open than the others. I don't like walled gardens or gated communities. If I wanted a platform with power hungry, elitist moderators creating circle jerk in-groups, I would have stayed on Reddit.
TurretCorruption 11 points 3 years ago
Yeah same. I did shop around a bit on other instances but i decided the general purpose one here was the most sensible for me.
MiddleWeigh 6 points 3 years ago
Same with me and I'm ultimately super happy with my Lemmy experience so far. I've been on since the 11th and the experience gets better every day.
frostphunk 6 points 3 years ago
Preach
TheDemonBuer 3 points 3 years ago
Not necessarily. As someone else pointed out in this thread, beehaw is currently set up so that Lemmy.world users can view and comment on posts on beehaw communities, but those comments can only be seen by other lemmy.world users. Individual instances can restrict what users from other instances can do.
TheDemonBuer 5 points 3 years ago
5 Accounts are still unnecessary.
That's true.
the_war_wan 2 points 3 years ago
I just like that the image previews don’t look like flat rectangles the way they do on kbin.
OtakuAltair 58 points 3 years ago
You can follow any lemmy or kbin community from one account on any instance
Except comms from beehaw if you're on .world; leave those and join another similar comm if you are.
LargeHardonCollider 5 points 3 years ago
Why doesn’t it work between beehaw and lemmy world?
OtakuAltair 21 points 3 years ago
Beehaw recently defederated lemmy.world out of concern for not being able to moderate such a huge user base with current mod tools. Learn more here
Tldr: beehaw comms are gonna be dead soon when viewed through lemmy.world
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MaoWasRight 12 points 3 years ago
Beehaw just announced yesterday that they will be defederating (removing) lemmy world from view because they think lemmy world has too many troll posts. Lol
MaoWasRight 1 point 3 years ago
Lol I have no idea either really
Pika 1 point 3 years ago
it's more of a the tools available to combat it are lackluster, so instead of trying they gave up. It's the sledgehammer approach but honestly it will lower growth of the instance, but that's exactally what the admins of the instance wanted
JensBarney 13 points 3 years ago
If OPs only account was on Beehaw, we wouldn't see this post or am I missing something?
Interstellar_1 12 points 3 years ago
We would not, because Beehaw users cannot access the lemmy.world instance.
lich_hegemon 27 points 3 years ago
It's not about the servers, it's about moderation. They have a clear vision of what their instance should be like but they don't have the tools not moderators to make it so while getting traffic from other big instances
zabraven 3 points 3 years ago
in the future when they possibly have more moderators and the influx of users has slowed down on lemmy.world, would it be easy to federate again? i know many instances defederate from others that go against their beliefs or how they want to run the community, but ive not heard of any that have re-federated
nodiet 12 points 3 years ago
I saw a post by one of the lemmy.world admins who said they had a discussion with the beehaw admins and their ideals align enough that they think they will federate again once moderation has gotten under control.
Edit: it was actually the sh.itjust.works admin
Edit 2: here's the link to the post: https://sh.itjust.works/post/129725
lich_hegemon 6 points 3 years ago
This is hearsay, but I believe it is temporary until better moderation features are developed and user influx shows down.
jcg 5 points 3 years ago
Not to be too much of a pedant, but I think the messaging is important: it's not about how many moderators, it's about moderation tools. Lemmy's are a little too rudimentary for what they want.
Anyway, refederation would entail taking lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works off their blocklist. That would allow users on those instances to subscribe again and comment/post. That part would be user-initiated. Then on the Beehaw side, they'd have to subscribe again to lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works communities. That part would also be user-initiated.
solstice 44 points 3 years ago
Careful, I said something like that and a guy posted a thousand word rant at me bitching about reddit refugees asking for more reddit lol, I was like chill dude I just want a simple platform to shitpost on without a phd in the lemmiverse or whatever jeez
steaksandwich 0 points 3 years ago
As a web developer who feels fairly knowledgeable of most things web, even I have a hard time wrapping my head around the Fediverse, how to use it, and the broader implications. If the folks that have been using it for more than the past week and a half do anything but inform and encourage, it will just drive away the people needed most to bring about widespread adoption.
TWeaK 2 points 3 years ago
There's not much to it really. You make an account on an instance that takes your fancy, then click "All" instead of "Local" to see content from other instances. You can subscribe to other comms in other instances just the same as the local ones.
The only barriers are defederation (beehaw.org has defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, also some have defederated from lemmygrad.ml) and editing. Defederation means you cannot see posts between instances, while edited comments appear to only be stored on the true host instance and aren't synced federally (I think the comments only sync when they're created).
lp0101 32 points 3 years ago
kbin and lemmy federate with each other. You only need one account and you can view posts from any instance*
- Except for those that choose to defederate, like beehaw. But that's their choice to make a walled-off community.
Lemmyin 23 points 3 years ago
At first it was
"You only need one account, it's like an email, they all federate with each other"
I was reeeaally excited for the prospect. (I still am btw)
But now it's more like
"your account here can see that instance and that one too -- but it's buggy so sometimes it takes time to sync -- anyway you cannot see that one for that one you need a distinct account-- oh and if that instance decide to defederate then you'll need another account for there too".
I'm still into the Fediverse, it's just we still have things to figure out.
Apoidea 6 points 3 years ago
The good thing is I think most of these issues are a design issue that can be solved client side rather than fundamental flaws in the architecture.
For example, if you go to comment on a Beehaw thread and the app just showed some kind of prompt, e.g. "Sign-up to Beehaw or an instance federated with Beehaw to comment on this sublemmy" I think it would feel pretty straightforward.
All the confusion with how federation works is something a well designed app could explain to users as they explore. Obviously it will just take time for the platform to mature to this stage.
saboteur 2 points 3 years ago
So much this. Defederation is a catastrophic issue for an average user in its current form, as the interactions fail totally silently.
Give us simple but informative warnings on reading threads, warnings when trying to post, warnings when trying to subscribe, and warnings when our subscriptions become defunct. Then the user can make informed decisions about either looking for new communities, or maybe moving to a different instance.
Heresy_generator 9 points 3 years ago
beehaw is still federated with kbin.social but they've recently dropped lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They have a page that shows where they're linked and where they're not:
https://beehaw.org/instances
Mister_Haste 2 points 3 years ago
They also recently posted they forsee refederating with sh.itjust.works in the future once things chill. No word on lemmy.world, yet.
lightingnerd 1 point 3 years ago
I just wish there were a way for me to write a short bio listing my username on other servers/platforms in-case they get defederated for one reason or another--but such is beta life...
KingYoloHD 31 points 3 years ago
I just joined .world because it sounded the most logical
"Oh it says world, that probably means i can see things all over the world"
I'm not disappointed
KidsTryThisAtHome 23 points 3 years ago
World here too on the Jerboa app, I'm subscribed to a BUNCH of communities in other instances and can browse and comment on them all with my world profile. Still kinda confused how it all works but I'm liking it so far
jennwiththesea 3 points 3 years ago
Home screen, menu at upper left, click "All". I also recommend changing the filter option to "Hot", which is one of the buttons on the top right.
TWeaK 30 points 3 years ago
You don't need multiple accounts, one account can access all different instances, including subscribing to remote communities. You just have to click "All" in the communities or post list to see them, instead of "Local".
Except for beehaw.org defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, and I think some defederated from lemmygrad.ml.
Also it should be said that edited comments don't seem to pass across the instances. I think they only sync when the comment has been made.
SmoothIsFast 8 points 3 years ago
Did beehaw.org defederate from lemmy.world ? I'm on Lemmy world and see posts from beehaw. Is there a way to check who is federated with who like some kind of map?
whatyousaidontwitter 13 points 3 years ago
If I'm not mistaken, you can see the posts and can even comment, but only people on lemmy.world will see your comment. People from beehaw and other instances won't see it. That's because lemmy.world haven't defederated from beehaw.
More info here: https://kbin.social/...
You can see which instances are blocked here: https://beehaw.org/instances. It's in the bottom of the page of every instance home page or just add '/instance' after the instance's address.
whatyousaidontwitter 1 point 3 years ago
Honestly I'm not sure, I'm also quite new to the fediverse. My guess is that being a parent comment, B wouldn't see it, but if C was the parent and A the child comment, B would see only C.
beanz 1 point 3 years ago
Federation is by definition a union, a mutual agreement. A and B are either federated or they aren't, there is no "A is federated with B but B is not federated with A".
So if A and B are federated and B and C are federated but not A and C, and your scenario happens, the person on B sees your comment but the person on C doesn't see it and can't reply to it.
god 1 point 3 years ago
i like the choice algorithm for which posts are better than others more attractive, but that's about it, i dislike the UI, it has no API, it's not clear which instances are federated & i can't find my favorite lemmy communities there, i have no idea how to subscribe to shit, it's pretty cool for idle browsing for a few minutes while pooping but that's about it
The1Morrigan 29 points 3 years ago
Exact same feel but with Boost for Reddit
Lemmyin 21 points 3 years ago
Everyday I learn of another 3rd party app for reddit which I didn’t knew existed. It shows how big reddit has become over the years and how spez has screwed over sooooo many people with that decision.
He doesn’t care. All he wants is the IPO to cash out.
Canadian_Cabinet 11 points 3 years ago
It bums me out so much. I was a Boost user for a solid 5~ years, been on reddit for about 5½. Finally deleted my account earlier this morning
Canadian_Cabinet 11 points 3 years ago
I hope so. While I'm missing like 75% of the subreddits I used to frequent, I have the skeleton of it covered. With time hopefully it'll bulk up, especially with the huge influx of new users
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AbsurdityAccelerator 13 points 3 years ago
Relay for me. I really hope that someone ends up implementing some kind of translation layer for the reddit API that would encourage the existing reddit apps to supper Lemmy.
The1Morrigan 2 points 3 years ago
I have no idea. I logged out of my account on the 11th and I deleted the app on the same night.
666dollarfootlong 2 points 3 years ago
Nope, I used it today to check up on a bit of drama in my favorite band's subreddit
Pollo_Jack 27 points 3 years ago
Reading an image, page refreshes, lose image. I wish I could turn off the auto-refresh or reduce the interval.
Anonymous0573 10 points 3 years ago
If you go to the next page, it stops doing that. Also doesn't do it on the Jerboa app.
crewman_princess 7 points 3 years ago
Yes, this is so annoying!
pianoplant 10 points 3 years ago
They're working on removing this. When you read about the dev "stripping out websockets" that's part of what's changing.
pianoplant 0 points 3 years ago
Yes I forget exactly where but it was on GitHub
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joinmyframily0118999 23 points 3 years ago
Beehaw told me not to join unless I could say specific groups I wanted to join. Nah from me.
CreeperODeath 23 points 3 years ago
I really hope that some of the reddit clients switch over to lemmy
possiblylinux127 5 points 3 years ago
Or even better, start offering both
MrsDoyle 22 points 3 years ago
I'm loving it honestly. I've gotten myself into a complete fankle with I think five different logins, but it's great. I've made a couple of posts even. Having always been a lurker, I now feel more like a participant rather than a consumer. I don't want a monolith, I like the neighborhood feel, having to figure things out, knit up the threads myself.
ZickZack 18 points 3 years ago
This will die down eventually: at the moment there are many different independent ideas of how to build federated reddit alternatives that have yet to really be tested for how the underlying systems and moderation tools scale. In due time there's going to be a standard application or at least standard exchange format between the different services, that just doesn't happen right now since all methods are really new and now get "suprise load tested".
That's also why you experience outages and Beehaw explicitly asking people not to join: everything went from "fringe techdemo" to "the internet is moving off of reddit" in a matter of less than a week (same thing is true with app support) and everything is at its breaking point: from the underlying technology to new communities appearing in a matter of hours to days (usually with less experienced moderators).
Meseta 16 points 3 years ago
From Kbin you can subscribe to whatever sublemmies you're interested in as if they were magazines.
You could also do the same in reverse from Beehaw/Lemmy.world, but KBin currently doesn't federate properly (due to Cloudflare DDoS protection.)
Lubricate7931 3 points 3 years ago
How do you subscribe to lemmy communities from kbin? I have an account on there can look at the local stuff, but struggling to search and find things lemmy wide.
briongloid 3 points 3 years ago
When you are the first person from your instance to subscribe to another instances community, it takes up to 15 seconds from searching for your instance to download and show it.
I have had good luck pasting the full web address of the instance/c/community into the search.
Lubricate7931 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah a waited a little. Which is unlike me tbh ha. Ah so if its worked for you with full address must just have been a hiccup when I've tried than thanks
Lubricate7931 2 points 3 years ago
Ah I've probably been getting syntax wrong. Was not using the @ and trying full address like on lemmy search, amongst other formats. Thanks will give it another go
DoucheAsaurus 3 points 3 years ago
Just type the name of the group in the search bar like so:
Lubricate7931 2 points 3 years ago
Was trying this but no results. Thanks will keep trying
Kichae 3 points 3 years ago
Federation has been janky. The whole site has been janky, with 500 and 503 errors, and all sorts of things.
It's just going through growing pains.
If you look at the main page, using 'All' (under the hamburger menu), a lot of what you see there will actually be from remote communities. Currently, kbin doesn't do a great job of surfacing the fact that those communities are remote, but if you hover over the community names, many of them will be formatted like /m/topic@someother.website. Those are remote communities.
Jonamerica 2 points 3 years ago
Click on Magazines and use the search tool there. The global search doesn't appear to work. When you search for a community you can search with the full name (lemmyworld@lemmy.world) or just a term (wall street). If you use a full address, don't include the leading @ or !, it won't return any results. And the search isn't like google. Wall street will return different results than wallstreet, for instance.
Lubricate7931 1 point 3 years ago
I've just managed to find a community instead of the general search results from general. Used the @lemmyworld@lemmy.world I'm guessing reading everyones experiences that's its just a bit flaky and probably more likely when i've search is the issue not what . thanks for the tips
parrot-party 1 point 3 years ago
I haven't seen a cloudflare today. It might be off now.
Pixlbabble 12 points 3 years ago
I need a damn explain it to me like I'm five for how all this works. My brain can wrapped it up into neighborhoods or space fleets but the in an out communications are the part I'm missing.
quikideo 12 points 3 years ago
The Fediverse is like a group of interconnected neighborhoods, each representing a different social platform or community. Just as you might have neighbors on your street who interact and share things over time, these communities can communicate and exchange ideas. These neighborhoods may differ in size or focus, but they all exist within a larger universe - just like planets orbiting around a sun. In this case, think of our star system as something like Friendica (the first step towards the modern fediverse) and Diaspora* (itself originally based on Friendica). And just as there might be traffic or communication issues between planetary systems, there could be friction between distinct Fediverse networks. But ultimately, we’re still talking about a united whole here! Finally, imagine spaceships zipping back and forth through space linking up these distinct points of interest - say hello to the protocols bridging connections between decentralized nodes known as “federation” today. It’s all connected!
Pixlbabble 5 points 3 years ago
It's the defederation I'm still confused. That ship (Beehaw) left the fleet and locked down it's ship. What are the communication rules?
quikideo 4 points 3 years ago
It's up to the individual server who they federate with.
If you want a gated community, or you want to cut ties with an instance that is full of spam or unwanted content, that's still possible.
In the swarm of starships, you aren't obligated to dock with everyone.
Pixlbabble 3 points 3 years ago
Ok. But we can still see their feeds ie beehaw games, so is that the people on that server won't see comments from people outside their instance?
ohmyiv 2 points 3 years ago
From my understanding, posts on beehaw won't populate on defederated instances. And defederated instance posts wont show on beehaw. There's also no requests sent or received from beehaw to update the beehaw posts with defederated data.
Defederated instance users can still go to posts directly on beehaw and they might be able to comment, but no one on beehaw will see it. It's basically "read-only" for defederated instances.
Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
odama626 11 points 3 years ago
I came up with what I think is a pretty good explanation when trying to explain the beehaw fiasco to a friend last night, here it is copy pastad
Think of it like cell service
You have TMobile, I have Google fi
But we can still talk because they both use 4g
But then Google fi blocked TMobile so I can't talk to you anymore
And if I want to be able to talk to people on TMobile and Google fi I would have to transfer my service to att
But also, the service is free to setup and run on your own
So instead of 3 or 4 big cell carriers there are thousands
Also, some added info: Also, with the fediverse, when you transfer service you can take your data with you Just like you can take your text messages and phone number with you Fediverse meaning all the apps that work this way, like mastodon and Lemmy (at least those two one have data transfers I think)
Edit: can't transfer account
Anonymous0573 2 points 3 years ago
I think we don't for now. I think we just have to accept we might have to change instances once in a while, especially while things settle.
DayDuJour 2 points 3 years ago
It's kind of like I have gmail and you have protonmail but we can still send emails to each other. Conversely emails from "@nigerianprince.com" will probably get spam filtered or blocked and you may not be able to communicate with them.
MadCybertist 11 points 3 years ago
Well beehaw defederated Lemmy.world so you won’t see that stuff. Well they won’t see yours anyways so you won’t get to interact with them.
SpookySnek 4 points 3 years ago
I honestly think we should just ditch beehaw at this point, this move will just make things way more complicated and probably keep many people from bothering to learn how it all works. You shouldn't have to visit 3-4 different sites to see the most popular lemmy content
Anonymous0573 2 points 3 years ago
I agree, they don't deserve to be one of the popular instances. They gathered a large userbase and just isolated it. If they wanted to be some special safe space, they should've specified that in the beginning instead of overcomplicating everything the way they did. People keep saying it's their choice, and it is, but in the same way it's Reddit's choice to kill off 3rd party apps.
s38b35M5 5 points 3 years ago
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CannaVet 4 points 3 years ago
Thank you! That's fucking dumb though. Just more of the same I've seen everywhere else on Lemmy, "I know this isn't Reddit or designed to be Reddit and was explicitly designed to NOT be Reddit, but WHY ISN'T IT REDDIT AND WHEN WILL IT BE REDDIT?!"
Seriously, half that post is "While we left a central authority to escape central authority, we will be working until this becomes a central authority to avoid all the things about decentralization that make it decentralized"
Really wish all the people who want a Reddit clone would just........go to one of the Reddit clones.
s38b35M5 2 points 3 years ago
It's an interesting situation, defederating.
Defederated instances can see the instance that cut them off and can comment, but they (beehaw in this case) won't see their comments. However, if they refederate later when better mod tools exist, all the comments will (be able to) flood in, right?
If so, they'll need to be able to handle it in some way that enables them to maintain compatibility with their instance ethos.
Nightingale 2 points 3 years ago
Something something multiple instances (if you register with Beehaw, you can't access threads to Lemmy/lemmy.ml)...
Martineski 6 points 3 years ago
Also lemmy.fmhy.ml
Charcoal8645 2 points 3 years ago
Couldn't agree more! I tried out mastodon and both versions, web and mobile, are friendlier than Lemmy. But I couldn't get behind the twitter thing. Never liked the twitter format and wasn't really getting through. Lemmy has a better format for me, but a bit clunkier. Sure it will get better soon
Lemmyin 1 point 3 years ago
It’s used to be a file that was executed by default when starting up older computers, up until Windows 98 I think (?). It was a simple file in which you could insert commands to personalize and/or optimize your system, back in the days.
It was very powefull if you knew what you were doing, but could be very harmful if you had no idea. Like you could litteraly erase your hard drive by simply adding "del . /q" to the file if I remember correctly.
readbeanicecream 2 points 3 years ago
Kbin > All > New is all you need.
Duchess 2 points 3 years ago
i was confused for a little while too, created a few accounts and was floundering. the setup will be different for everyone but currently i have a tab open with mastodon and i'm following a few seperate instances there. then i have lemmy.world also open and i have stuff from different lemmy instances and kbin coming in to my feed.
ImplyingImplications 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah but isn't it more fun that way??
drp -13 points 3 years ago
www.tiktok.com No need to thank me.
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