Has Google Search gotten so much worse in the last couple of weeks?
2 years ago by TheBeesKnees to c/nostupidquestions
I know it's been getting worse over time, but I could still find what I needed after some digging.
Recently it's been like 10 minutes of adjusting search terms, still getting completely useless or irrelevant results, and me just giving up afterwards. Other search engines seem just as bad.
Don't forget your glue on your pizza! Can't have a pizza without glue....
Elmer can go Fudd himself. Store brand non-toxic craft paste is just as flavorful an half the price.
We’re talking about glue not craft paste. One can be launched across the room at an unsuspecting teacher, the other taste fantastic.
It has definitely been getting worse over years, but I specifically meant the last couple of weeks. I could still find what I needed between all the garbage.. now I can't even find it after adjusting the search multiple times.
If you use Firefox you can add a Search Engine that removes the google cruft.
In about:config browser.urlbar.update2.engineAliasRefresh Boolean, hit the plus sign to add. Exit out of that screen. Then go to Search engines in Settings and “Add” [ whatever name you want to call it ] as a new search engine. And paste this URL and save it. https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14
You will see that it deletes everything but search when you use it. You can also just use the url but you must replace the %s with your search term, like red+espresso. Example: https://www.google.com/search?q=red+espresso&udm=14
I'm sure this works for other browsers, I just use Firefox.
I love you.
Returns the add custom search engine button. Which for some reason, has been hidden by default.
Oh my god, thank you for this. You solved a year long sufferfest for this internet stranger because of that greyed out button. Every god-damned guide online points you towards that button and I could not find the solution for it. What the fuck Mozilla
You can right click the URL bar for sites that support the OpenSearch XML standard. Which I guess is what they wanted to replace it with. But I don't really know why they removed the button to a about: config setting. Could at least be a checkbox or something to enable.
Ooo I haven't heard of this, thank you! The amount of garbage they've added is absurd.
This is correct (your screen). Now go to your Firefox Settings, click on Search on the left side, scroll down to the Search Shortcuts section and below that box is a button labeled Add. You will get a box to add a search engine, the Alias field is optional. Make sure after you add it, there is a blue check in front of it on the list in the box or it's invisible.
I was honestly getting so frustrated the other day at work when searching for something very specific and coming up empty handed. Tried DuckDuckGo and even fucking Bing and found what I needed in a matter of seconds. Google search is trash now. I have to go to the second page or further just to find something that isn't an ad, AI response, or reddit. None of which are helpful.
DuckDuckGo is just Bing with a duck on it.
I've been swapping around search engines too, but they still seem bad. I always end up back at Google just because I know how to manipulate the search terms better.
I'll have to try kagi some time
EDIT: subscription based... Idk, definite maybe on that one.
Is that the one that costs money? You can't have a true incognito search if that's the case.
True, but worth reading their about page and privacy page. Not saying it'll stay this way, but the way they are running is something that makes more sense then being sold as a product to Google. And you aren't getting much of an incognito these days with all the fingerprinting they are doing.
I will admit kagi search isn't the highest performer, but it's viable. DDG, Start page, etc. Might give you more privacy, or not (hard to tell with DDG these days), but it might be worth trying a different model for a while.
I miss the days when the internet was truly free, but in lieu of that we have to have something better. Kagi is a start.
Might want to look again...
Incognito is on your client side browser in that the browser doesn't retain any trace of the current session once you close the tab. The search engine still knows what you whacked off to.
You can't have? Or you can't be sure?
Because you certainly can have. Just because you pay, doesn't mean they will log your searches. In fact Kagi claim they don't. And since their only income comes from paying users. If anyone ever found out they're lying about that, they'd quickly loose a big chink of subscribers and income. As well as get sued for fraud. So it's rather unlikely they do.
Unlike every other search provider, Kagi is the only one with a business model that ensures it's users are the customer, not the product. When actually using it every day, that's quite obvious in the results. Even when you search for a company directly, it's Wikipedia entry is usually the first result. The the company site is the second.
I wouldn't be so sure of Kagi doing the right thing...
True Incognito mode is a myth, it only stops keeping a history in the tab of that browser. Everytime you use a browser to go to any site ever, the browser logs you went there. So does your ISP and the site your connecting to. No matter which mode or browser you use, if you go to Google, then Google knows you went there and logs your searches.
The closest you can come to browsing the web anonymously would be with a mix of dedicated privacy OS like Tails and either a VPN or Tor as a middile man, but that assumes those proxys are not corrupted. Free VPNs make money by selling your "secret browsing" habits.
The internet is nothing more than wires, if you connect your wire to someone elses, every intermediatary knows.
You can use uBlock Origin and other privacy add-ons to block tracking and a VPN to hide your IP address but if you're logged in to a search engine's account then everything you search is tied to you no matter what you do.
I've used Kagi's free trial. I'd turn to it when nothing else was helping and it did really well, but recently it hasn't been helping either. It's probably still fine for most things, but I'm often searching niche developer/programming things that are too burried under SEO/AI spam to find anymore.
FWIW, the default "programming" lens works quite well in Kagi, you can also create your own lens if you have a set of websites from which you routinely search info, and there are tons of bangs already (which can also be mapped to lenses BTW). In addition, you can downrank AI/SEO stuff when you find it (it is downranked by default in kagi), so that over time your results are quite clean.
Got some bad news about Kagi, folks...
I was just about to try Kagi out and then ran into this post of a bunch of different search engines. Dogpile is not on there, so maybe I need to look it up now!
YEAH WHAT THE FUCK
You mean when plused strings stopped? Because that was tragic as hell
What are quoted strings?
A string is just a collection of characters, in programmer speak. When you use quotation marks in your search to find exactly what you want. If your search was:
dog "fast drive"
Google used to show results that only had both the word "dog" and the joined phrase "fast drive" in the same result. Or tell you there were no results.
Now it feels like Google uses that as a suggestion, giving you "dog" and any combination of "fast drive", "fast driver", "fast driving", or whatever else Google thinks you want, instead of what you asked for. Or if they don't find it, they serve you up whatever they want, with a small message about there being no matching results.
I recommend Kagi, I've been using it for about six months now and results - especially small web results like blogs - are so much better. I also have a pretty good time image searching compared to when I was on Google.
Yes it's paid, but that to me is the price of resisting enshittification. Find a company that isn't a publicly traded for-profit world-burner and pay them for their service. Is the idea of paying for email and search an alien concept to me? Yes. But I'm either paying Google whatever €120 a year in eyeballs on ads and an increasingly worse experience, or I'm paying €80 a year and getting a markedly better experience.
Now it's up to Kagi and Proton to not turn into shitty companies while other competitors catch up and we have a thriving ecosystem again.
Kagi is amazing. I absolutely love its' filtering features and I use that forums toggle all the time. It feels like such a more relevant experience for me. I tried it out with the 300 searches limit, but that wasn't even close to enough, turns out I easily use 4 times that in a month and even though it's not cheap it feels like it's worth it.
I second kagi. Have been using it for almost a year now and I will stick with it. I switched from google to ddg some years ago to ddg before, but kagi is simply better.
A colleague also uses it and is also very satisfied with it.
Got some bad news about Kagi...
I've read it, I read the discussion around it, idk man. One guy's thoughts on a company and it's founder isn't enough to move me off of something without better proof, better alternatives, and worse crimes than maybe having a bad long term vision.
Hopefully every company outgrows it's founder and becomes a system. We'll have to see, right now I'm satisfied and that gets me off Google and signals to others I'm willing to pay.
It’s okay if you don’t care, that’s on you and the others who don’t care.
I was about to pay for the thing, and stumbled upon that website that provides quite a bit of substantial “what the fuck?” Reactions from me.
Just throwing the knowledge out there for people like me who do care. :)
That article is quite dense with inaccurate information (e.g. they own a T-shirt factory), and a lot of guesses. There is no need to listen to a random guy idea about kagi's AI approach when they have that documented on their site.
Also, the "blase attitude to privacy" is because of a technicality of GDPR? (Not having the ability to download a file with your email address) I am a big fan of GDPR, and their privacy policy is the best I have seen (I read the pp of every product I use and I often choose products also based on it), so really I don't care about the technical compliance to GDPR (I am not an auditor), but the substantial compliance.
All-in-all, the article raises some good points, but it is a very random opinion from a random person without any particular competencies in the matter. I would take it for what it is tbh
EDIT: To add a few more:
Source: see https://blog.kagi.com/what-is-next-for-kagi (published ~1 month after the linked post).
Google makes money on ads. They make $300-$400 annually per user by displaying ads.
They are motivated to tarpit you in order to show you more ads.
Giving you your results quickly and efficiently costs them revenue.
Use kagi, or another search engine.
I remember Google saying like 2 decades ago that it was actually their goal to get you off of their website as quickly as possible. If you clicked on a link, and then clicked back in less than 30 seconds, then Google would consider that search result to be not what you were looking for.
The people who said that are long gone.
Golden parachuted away
More to it then that. tl;dr The engineers in charge at google were pushed to the side by the ads people.
Is it sorta built similar to google? I keep switching search engines but Im SOOOOO used to google that its hard for me to adjust. I need something that kinda looks like google, but I can both Customize it more and just isnt google.
aHHH NAHHH i just tried it. It's everything I want BUT THEY MAKE ME PAY TO SEARCH??! fuck no- I'm not about to fork over cash for a Subscriptions to USE THE INTERNET. Sounds really really nice but I'd much rather not. They aught to have it so you can pay for extra perks but paying JUST to search???? I'm good-
yes. use any of the following, in no particular order:
Aside from DDG, these are all new to me. I'll take a look this week, thank you.
My favorite one recently is constantly telling me to keep straight to remain on a highway like 7 times before I need to actually get off the highway. Glad I turned off the sound a long time ago otherwise I would have lost my fucking mind.
We have express (toll) lanes on some highways around me, and the navigation system loses its damn mind every time. "Keep going straight", "continue going straight", "proceed in a trajectory perpendicular to your current trajectory"; I fucking get it!
Derp, i blame 10 hour shift brain...
I went to a low data plan and learned that Google Maps consumes a vast amount of data (relative to my plan limit), and I download all my maps and had location off. 1 single bus route between two pinned locations was 30Mb. Maps and search could be so simple but they are insanely bloated.
Hey now, Apple Maps is more accurate, provides better directions where I am, has more up to date satellites imagery, and has been this way for years. I only use Google Maps to search because Yelp is god awful. I live in a rapidly expanding area and all of that matters.
Oh god, yes this too. All the sponsored location spam drives me crazy. I love when I zoom in to a location and it doesn't mark ANY of the shops besides STARBUCKS^tm^
I used to a hater of Kagi but honestly its a damn good alternative search engine. They are doing some actual innovation and are very transparent. I still prefer a good searXNG instance but searxng is more for technical people who understand decentralized meta search instances. Here's my simple guide on search engine alternatives to help you get away from google best you can.
Google is finally collapsing under the weight of its own greed and lack of innovation. Now other companies are showing up to steal their lunch especial with the big monopoly case going on right now.
You might be interested in learning how opaque Kagi really is...
Thank you both, Smokeydope and LucidNightmare. That was an interesting read! I gave SearXNG (paulgo.io) a try and it was a refreshing experience, I'm going to start using it regularly to see how well it does.
Thank you for actually reading what was provided! SearXNG is pretty good, and I kinda want to give self hosting it a try! Good luck on the hunt!
I am glad to have helped you out! @angrystego I hope you enjoy searxng and it bcomes a useful tool in your life. Paulgo is an excellent first instance choice. It was my daily driver when I wrote up that guide and seems to still hold up well today.
Now I use search.inetol.net and can recommend that as a good alternative in case paulgo isnt quite what you're looking for or has too many timeout api errors. As always its a good idea to visit searx.space and try out some of the top instances with highest response time.
Thanks again for even more useful tips! I will definitely try it all out, it looks really good.
An article full of inaccuracies, but the most interesting bit is, all these conversations are possible because they clearly explain their views, which are publicly available on their website (for example, the philosophy behind the use of AI - which BTW is opt-in).
How is that an example of being opaque is beyond me.
Might want to go through and click the hyperlinks. Otherwise, I got nothing else to tell ya homie. It's all right there.
I know it’s being overly recommended in here, but kagi pretty much gives you exactly what you want. I’ve had very few times it’s been unable to give me my search in the first few results. Others swear by SearXNG
does it also straight up ignore special commands like -whatever i could swear you could use that on many sites and it worked as "exclude this "
They fucked it all up with that AI bullshit awhile ago and it hasn’t recovered. I use start page now and am much happier.
The internet has slowly become more and more useless over time since the pandemic. It's fucking impossible to find anything now. Half the time it's like I have better luck doing an lan search on my home network than looking it up on Google and I'm not even very deep into the self hosted everything rabbit hole.
It's like they want us all to be stupid, uninformed and not know how to do anything.
reddit has been 10x more useful than google and this fact alone bothers me to high fucking hell because im STILL BANNED.
It is half okay, but only if they are not getting paid to screw up your results. It is a coup against democracy where freedom of information is freedom of the press and is an entire fundamental pillar of democracy. Google's entire business model has always been neo feudalism. A web crawler and search engine is like a library, it must be neutral, objective, and publicly funded as a non profit. Much the same with YT, it is our digital public commons and the most efficient form for information sharing in the primary form of human communication.
I've been using Kagi since ~February and it's changed my views on Search. Beforehand, if use a combination of Google, Bing, DDG, and Brave and rarely find what I needed in satisfactory time. Now I'm typically finding it in the top 5 without all the cruft + have access to a handful of LLM assistants to choose from for other tasks (when needed).
I've also heard good things about SearXNG.
Might want to give this a read on ol' Kagi...
I'm aware.
I hope you don't pay for it then, since Vlad himself said,
Is this how you live your life? Going around telling people how to live theirs?
Jesus christ dude. I said I'm aware.
I have specific use cases that Kagi, and nothing else that I've found but feel free to try me, satisfies to a T with speed and value.
Unlike you, I'm aware enough to realize I'm not the average consumer and that not everyone might fall into my bucket, so it was merely a suggestion ALONG WITH ANOTHER SUGGESTION (SearXNG). I'll leave it up to the reader to do their own tests and see if it suits their needs.
I guarantee something you eat came from Nestle somehow and that something you own or wear was made on the backs of a sweatshop of some sort. Quit with your holier-than-thou bullshit.
HAHAHAHAHAH no. Google Search has gotten so much worse in the last couple of YEARS more like.
The reason behind this is not a bug but a feature. Google wants the trip from search to result to take longer as they can show you more ads that way.
I read on here (I think) a couple months ago that adding "before:2023" to your search terms improves results a lot. I've found it to be true. Unless I'm looking for something specifically from the last couple years.
Unfortunately, I'm usually searching software development issues and half the results are a decade old (and are no longer relevant for the language anymore). Assuming "after:xx" works too this night help, thank you!
It's crap.
You can use udm14.org though.
If you can't do better, then at least add some cute cat pictures in it. At least then I'll feel a crumb of joy with every wasted effort!
As a basic bitch that hasn't gone to page 2 of a google search in years I don't really notice a difference.
The ai answers, related questions, and ad results are not especially helpful but at the end of the day I will find what I'm looking for.
all of them. the conspiracy side of me says they all want to drive traffic to the ai.
It took me. 12 minutes of clicking through websites yesterday to get the heat and time settings for making potato chips in the air fryer. I used to be able to just ask the Google Assistant.
I'm glad I saw this post cuz I was going to gaslighting myself over the whole thing. It really is getting way worse, isn't it....
What search engine alternatives do y'all use?
Duck duck go
Yes. Its AI generated slop. I use SearxNG, and I have it tuned to go to Startpage first, Google second.
Ill add something I've never really seen anyone mention: it used to be a lot better at staying on topic without ME keeping it that way
For example: this weekend I was playing Blops 3 and googled shit like "Winslow accord bo3" and after 1-3 searches I could just type shit related to bo3 and even if it had relevant pages related to other shit, it'd remember my recent searches and keep them rather relevant even if it was on my phone or a new window rather than the same search bar
At least, it used to work that way. Now every 4-5 searches it suddenly forgets what tangent I was on and I have to start adding qualifiers again to get relevant searches
This is what I call the linux bubble. People who use linux and are used to alternate solutions, which may offer better performance than the norm. Then they surround themselves with other like minded people. So much so that they begin to forget that they are using alternatives rather than the norm. Despite what benefits they gain from alternatives, some people can't grasp that they are, in fact, alternatives.
Twitter has 368 million monthly users. I find it to be a cesspool of hate, racism, and right wing agenda.
So you would think mastodon or bluesky would have equal or better numbers.
Bluesky has 9.7 million monthly users, which includes a huge recent boost because of brazil ceasing twitters ability to operate. I think that alone was 2 million users.
And mastodon has 975,000 monthly users.
So yes, despite it's flaws, twitter is still the default in microblogging. By a LOT. But I'm sure the feeling around here is "who still uses twitter???".
Everybody. Same way everybody uses google. Same way everybody uses instagram. And it's not even close to being close.
The fact I'm most flabbergasted about is that only a third of people use password managers by default. An independent American surveysource: bitwarden over 2000 "random" Internet users shows 34% use a password manager. The randomness of this survey is probably skewed, which would make the total percentage even lower in actuality.
Which is insane since they’ve mostly been using iOSs or Androids built in password manager for as long as that’s been a thing on both. Doubt they even realize that’s what it is though.
You honestly though the most used search engine has been abandoned by everyone? Maybe share what you're using instead of just being pretentious?
I use Ecosia instead of Google, but I know that Google recently added a "forums" category to the top of their search. Have you tried that? Hopefully it will help bring back to life independent forums.
It is. It also is the best thing to find something on Reddit. And as much as I hate what it has become, it still is the best source of information. But this changes rapidly, sadly. I give it until 2027, then the information on Reddit is garbage too.
I've started to use Qwant a few months ago when bing and duckduckgo started to give me result I had filtered out in my search. But now it is way past this stage. When I look for something I find a lot of related topic but nothing about the topic I've searched for.
I notice it was suddently become much worst about 10~15 days ago
They all suck anymore. Google fell the furthest though.
And it seems like it completely disregards search modifiers like quotes or the minus sign at this point. The modifiers are overridden by the algorithms pushing preferred sites, or Google just gives few or no returns as if there are no sites featuring your search criteria, which is completely false because it’s perfectly happy to return paid sites with the same but incorrect search term.
I always feel a sense of dissonance (I think that's the right word?) when I see posts like this. Everyone seems to be talking about this, but I haven't noticed a difference. Honestly, when I look up something, what I'm looking for is usually in the first few results. Not really sure how to feel about my experience being so different from others.
Are you pretty consumercentric, or do you have some niche interests as well? Google is great at basic tasks and delivering product results and promoted content, and if that's what you're usually looking for it probably works great for you. People have trouble these days trying to find the specific stuff. Google used to really excel at this in the past, but now it's buried under pages of promoted content or pages SEO gamed to the top but not being very helpful
I wouldn't know I haven't used Google search in about 3 months.
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*years? Yes. It used to be the bleeding edge of search and now it's just profit driven enshittification like the rest of ai-ridden garbage tech wallstreet bullshit.
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