7 Things You Should Know Before Switching to GrapheneOS

2 years ago by Dominion0236 to c/privacy

ZebraGoose 91 points 2 years ago

Here's a summary of the article and the seven key points mentioned about switching to GrapheneOS:

Summary: The article discusses GrapheneOS, a secure, privacy-focused mobile operating system based on Android. It highlights the benefits of switching to GrapheneOS, its features, compatibility, and user experience. The article also addresses potential concerns and provides information on reverting to standard Android if desired.

The seven things you should know before switching to GrapheneOS:

Compatibility: Currently only supported on Google Pixel devices (Pixel 3 or newer) due to their strong hardware-based security features.
App compatibility: Most apps are compatible, but some may require alternatives. A sandboxed version of Google Play can be installed for popular apps.
User interface: Similar to standard Android, but with enhanced privacy controls and a decluttered, ad-free experience.
Regular updates: Frequent security updates are provided to protect against the latest threats.
Community support: A dedicated community of users and developers is available to offer help and tips.
Reversibility: It's possible to switch back to standard Android if you don't like GrapheneOS.
Privacy and security features: Includes end-to-end encryption, revocable permissions, randomized MAC addresses, and strict app data access controls.

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s08nlql9 33 points 2 years ago

Ty for the summary ChatGPT

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ZebraGoose 17 points 2 years ago

Haha no worries 😅 I always appriciate summarys myself so I thought I would pay it forward

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s08nlql9 8 points 2 years ago

It's a bad joke ✌️

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jaggedrobotpubes 8 points 2 years ago

Thank you for this.

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ZebraGoose 4 points 2 years ago

No problems 😄

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far_university190 4 points 2 years ago

good human

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LodeMike 4 points 2 years ago

standard android?

you/they mean the OEM operating system right?

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henchman2019 12 points 2 years ago

Yes. You can go back to stock.

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LodeMike 0 points 2 years ago

My point is that "stock" is not a "standard". If anything GrapheneOS is more standard.

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EherNicht 6 points 2 years ago

True. It’s close to AOSP. Don’t understand the downvotes.

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southsamurai 6 points 2 years ago

Or any other rom, really. Stock, which is the Google version of Android, but the pixel line is well supported by lineage and other variants.

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Blizzard 2 points 2 years ago

The summary kind of makes it sound like there's a switch in settings and poof! you're back at stock android. But I imagine you need to flash the new ROM and start from scratch.

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MajorHavoc 4 points 2 years ago

Right. It's different in that it lacks Google Framework Service, and adds a bunch of privacy controls, like additional quick toggles to control the cameras, and microphone, the way other Android can quick toggle the flashlight and location servcies and bluetooth.

The biggest thing is substantially more granular per app permissions, controlled from a calentral interface in settings.

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delirious_owl -5 points 2 years ago

No mention of the mental instability of the founder and the toxicity of the Dev team?

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refalo 3 points 2 years ago

this could be said about many popular open source projects

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spookedintownsville 2 points 2 years ago

...like Lemmy.

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possiblylinux127 1 point 2 years ago

Pointing the blame away is not the right answer. Also it does not happen in Lineage OS, Calyx OS and many other similar projects.

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refalo 0 points 2 years ago

I wasn't trying to do that, just making a general statement

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delirious_owl 1 point 2 years ago

and its one of the "things you should know"

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soFanzy 30 points 2 years ago

I love graphene as much as the next guy, but this article is pretty terrible. Badly researched, just spitting out talking points that are either flat out wrong, not the point of graphene or just scratching the surface. Look up the graphene homepage, if you actually want useful info.

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abrahambelch 20 points 2 years ago

It Feels Almost Like Android... But It Isn't

So what is it?

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01189998819991197253 9 points 2 years ago

I think what they attribute to that "android feel", is google spying on them at every turn.

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M500 14 points 2 years ago

Can someone give an example of an app that doesn’t work? I always hear about apps that do work, but is it mostly banking or some other category that doesn’t work typically?

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refalo 15 points 2 years ago

Anything that uses NFC payments.

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RvTV95XBeo 1 point 2 years ago

Some banking apps allegedly don't work but i have never encountered one. If your bank has a mobile accessible website, it's basically a non-issue.

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ByteWelder 5 points 2 years ago

More specifically, Play Integrity API will fail on the Play Service integrity check. If I recall correctly, this is why Google Pay won’t work on GrapheneOS.

Some banks require the app to be used as second factor to log into their website.

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tehmics 1 point 2 years ago

Can you work around it with magisk like rooted stock android? I bought my pixel specifically for graphene but google pay is the main thing preventing me from switching

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refalo 1 point 2 years ago

google wallet is not required to be tied to any bank accounts, and US does not even support NFC within banking apps.

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RvTV95XBeo 6 points 2 years ago

Both true statements. The banking apps that don't work aren't because google wallet doesn't work, but because they use the same trust policies that Wallet requires in order to run (which GrapheneOS cannot meet because its not a "trusted" OS, per Google)

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Broken 10 points 2 years ago

Like you said, banking apps. The logic behind that is they use google to security check their apps. A random non-bank example would be the slick deals app. Without play services it would just open then crash.

Many apps use play services for their notification system. So for instance, proton mail works fine but notifications do not.

NFC is not supported, so anything that uses that won't work.

Not an app, but I was surprised that widgets don't work unless you're in the primary profile. Technically they work on any profile, but they randomly get deleted, and frequently. It's a known bug that probably will never get fixed because the source of it comes from stock android.

I will mention that you can have a profile running play services, which gives you access to many apps that wouldnt normally work. And it's sandboxed so it has less impact on your information (I don't know all the specifics but it does limit in some way how much it can snoop into the rest of the OS). Then you can also set up granular controls on your apps to limit them from snooping.

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M500 1 point 2 years ago

Thanks! I don’t think this will work for me. Where I live, most of the payments are made directly through banking apps by scanning a qr-code.

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Broken 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that's why I mentioned having a secondary profile. Some stuff like bank apps you just can't get away from so a profile with play services running is a workable solution. If you have a pixel phone already, you can give it a shot. One very nice feature of GOS is that it's super easy to install - and uninstall if it's not for you.

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M500 1 point 2 years ago

Sadly, I don’t have a pixel.

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Muffi 14 points 2 years ago

I would love to make the switch, but I am certain that absolutely zero of my government mandated apps will run on this thing.

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Dop 5 points 2 years ago

WTF do you mean "gvt mandated apps" !?!

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Muffi 13 points 2 years ago

Mandated is the wrong word. "Required for absolutely everything" is more precise. In Denmark you need an app called "MitID" to do any kind of digital verification. You can't do online purchases, banking or digital bureaucracy without it.

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Dop 3 points 2 years ago

Well sorry to hear that, it sounds like a special kind of hell.

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untorquer 1 point 2 years ago

It's not really. Much better then US' lack of any one consistent system (or even lack of electronic option) and random OTP generators. But makes switching phone OS feel like a pretty big risk.

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EngineerGaming 1 point 2 years ago

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untorquer 4 points 2 years ago

You can use a keychain OTP generator (in Norway). I have no clue how it generates verifiable codes. The phone app is more convenient, and to the point at hand, actually connected to the internet/NFC. In any case it's factor 1 in a 2FA (And then some), so the same way any 2FA would work.

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MightyCuriosity 0 points 2 years ago

My government ID app works fine. Maybe try it first?

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3dogsinatrenchcoat 3 points 2 years ago

mitid recently implemented play integrity, it should still work if previously installed but new installations don't work (https://discuss.grapheneos.org/...)

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helpImTrappedOnline 10 points 2 years ago

Does android auto work? Last I herd it did not...

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jjlinux 26 points 2 years ago

It does

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helpImTrappedOnline 7 points 2 years ago

Neat.

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acockworkorange 3 points 2 years ago

Well, now I know what my next phone is. Does it work on the latest Pixel or does it have to be a previous version?

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pineapplelover 7 points 2 years ago

It works on the latest pixels

https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

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acockworkorange 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

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WreckingBANG 4 points 2 years ago

It does work on the Pixel 9 Generation and even on the Pixel Fold 9 and Pixel Tab.

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acockworkorange 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

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jjlinux 3 points 2 years ago

I have the 8 Pro, and my wife has the 7 Pro, so I can confirm it works on those. No idea on the latest generation, but it's likely that it works too.

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QuizzaciousOtter 10 points 2 years ago

While it's not nearly as customizable as an Ubuntu kernel, it's still easy to make your GrapheneOS look and feel exactly how you want it to, within reason.

WTF is it supposed to mean?

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spipau 8 points 2 years ago

If you want to know if an app works, you can start here: https://plexus.techlore.tech/ Still a young project so contributions are welcomed!

If you don't have a Pixel like me, you can check out: https://e.foundation/ Runs since 3 years on my Fairphone 3 and gets better with every update

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banana 2 points 2 years ago

Ironically, Plexus currently crashes and won't open on GrapheneOS. Both 2.0.3 on F-Droid and 2.0.6 on IzzyOnDroid.

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pirat 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure how to read the Plexus entries, and they don't seem to be clickable. Would you mind explaining how to use the site in a meaningful way?

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x00za 6 points 2 years ago

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sartalon 6 points 2 years ago

I've almost never had an issue. Like ever, unless I forget to set my phone on a charger when I went to bed. And even then, it would just be in the single digits by the end of the second night.

I think I've had my phone die on me twice since I've had it (Pixel 6 Pro).

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x00za 0 points 2 years ago

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sartalon 3 points 2 years ago

Great. I don't need that. That's not even close to a selling point.

I guess if I needed to hike without a power source for a week, it would be.

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x00za 0 points 2 years ago

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QuizzaciousOtter 1 point 2 years ago

Do you mean that it's worse on GrapheneOS in comparison to stock?

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x00za 1 point 2 years ago

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Charger8232 6 points 2 years ago

As a GrapheneOS user, I approve this message.

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sweetpotato 5 points 2 years ago

For how long will the older pixel phones be supported? Is it worth it to buy a cheaper older model like pixel 6 and have graphene in it?

Cause I'm not giving more than 200-300 for a phone. I'll stick to cheap android phones that lack nothing compared to expensive phones for my needs.

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Dust0741 3 points 2 years ago

https://endoflife.date/pixel This is for googles support. GOS may support a specific device a little longer than google but does not promise to and recomends getting a newer device.

Pixel 8a looks real good right now.

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toastal 4 points 2 years ago

5a is EoL so no headphone jack for you. This is a nonstarter for portable devices to me.

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Dust0741 0 points 2 years ago

USB C to AUX adapters work for me.

Having a secure and up to date device should likely be more important

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possiblylinux127 6 points 2 years ago

It is great that works for you. However, you are not everyone

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toastal 4 points 2 years ago

Flimsy awkward adapters + having to choose between charging or audio? But they had matching earbuds with irreplaceable batteries to sell…

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sweetpotato 4 points 2 years ago

Wait what do the android updates have to do with Graphene? Does the phone need to still be supported by Google and android for Graphene to be secure and work?

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WreckingBANG 5 points 2 years ago

https://grapheneos.org/faq#legacy-devices

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Dust0741 4 points 2 years ago

Yes. Many security updates come from upstream AOSP and then are put into GOS.

So when a device has stopped getting AOSP updates, it is unreasonable for GOS to continue support it. They can and I believe they have applied more critical security patches to just barely EOL devices, but this isn't promised or expected.

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possiblylinux127 1 point 2 years ago

They could just apply the patches they do have like the main android ones. I think that is BS personally

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possiblylinux127 1 point 2 years ago

Graphene stops shipping any updates after the Google deadline

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EngineerGaming 1 point 2 years ago

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possiblylinux127 0 points 2 years ago

You can just run Lineage OS with MicroG or Calyx OS. If you have all Foss apps you probably don't even need MicroG

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lightscription 5 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, Tinder doesn't work and that is helpful to get in touch with the ladies. That app is too hell bent on location data which GOS handles more privately.

NFC should work, it is just scheduled to be deactivated after 3 months if not used for security reasons.

I think GOS is very user friendly and has many positive privacy and security enhancements. I would like to see if they can surpass sandboxed Google Play and officially support other repositories and updaters like Accrescent. Also, a standard way of securing traffic beyond encrypted DNS would be good such as a tor client like Orbot.

Looking into the Veilid ecosystem might also be a source for further development ideas.

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camr_on 15 points 2 years ago

just use grindr instead like I do

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PoorPocketsMcNewHold 9 points 2 years ago

GrapheneOS also made me give up my heterosexuality /j

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sunzu2 0 points 2 years ago

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lightscription -8 points 2 years ago

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frostprophet 2 points 2 years ago

Here's some completely unrelated crap

ArE yOU StILL prO GAY!!??

Yes? People should have the right to be gay

CW: SA

The fact that some men rape and assault other people has nothing to do with anyone else being gay or not.

It would also be helpful for you to know that most pedophiles who attack boys (and probably the men doing the raping in prison) are actually straight. [1] Again, nothing to do with gay.

Wtf are you on lol

[1] https://www.splcenter.org/...

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found, as Herek notes, that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends, and the majority are men married to women. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

They won't let me reproduce

I have a lot of questions but the answer to those questions is probably incel bs so I'm not gonna start haha

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lightscription 0 points 2 years ago

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ludicolo 1 point 2 years ago

you can setup seperate peofiles and jeep your GOS apps seperate from your open source app profile. that's what I do.

Also accresent is already a part if the GrapheneOS appstore.

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shapis 4 points 2 years ago

Tried to switch to graphene for a bit. Way too many apps don't work in it.

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MightyCuriosity 4 points 2 years ago

Could you elaborate? I've switched just to check it out and never moved back.

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JoyfulCodingGuy 2 points 2 years ago

But out of curiosity what apps didn't work for you that were deal breakers?

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TGhost 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe that can help you

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shapis 2 points 2 years ago

Oh. I tried a bit before giving up. But lack of compatibility plus the insanely unreliable pixel battery just made me switch back to iPhone.

Thank you for the link though.

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refalo 3 points 2 years ago

NFC payments also don't work. Non-starter for me

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Lemmchen 2 points 2 years ago

Is it because of your particular bank or is that a general problem?

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refalo 2 points 2 years ago

google wallet in general will not work.

also bank apps utilizing NFC is not a thing in the US

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dubyakay 3 points 2 years ago

Ah yes, a feature that I'd never be able to live without /s

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Euphoma 7 points 2 years ago

The university that I'm at is trying to get new students to use a digital student id that uses google wallet for scanning I think. They aren't giving any new students physical student id's unless they need it for something that doesn't work with the digital ones.

So yeah some people do need google wallet.

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Dop 1 point 2 years ago

Why not? You van set up a separate profile and install gplay services so pretty much anything would work under these conditions I assume

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experbia 6 points 2 years ago

"I assume" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

as someone who runs GrapheneOS and looked into the possibility of doing contactless payments: no. it simply does not work. all the contactless payment apps can somehow detect you're not running the stock OS for the phone and choose to lock themselves down.

cashapp and venmo will also freeze your accounts almost immediately upon installation and login and, in my case with cashapp, insinuate you may be reported to law enforcement for fraud when you appeal with info about your phone lmao

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DoucheBagMcSwag 2 points 2 years ago

Android Auto is borked and most camera features

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luciddaemon 6 points 2 years ago

Android Auto works fine for me and google camera also works fine.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 4 points 2 years ago

The camera works but I was talking about it but the Google image processing features.

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RoachFire 1 point 2 years ago

You can install the Google Camera app and get those.

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echolalia 3 points 2 years ago

Android auto also works fine for me. I haven't used an android phone in years so I can only compair it to apple car play. There are extra configuration steps to make it work but its not hard (just have to read some messages and go through some menus)

Apple car play "just works".

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DoucheBagMcSwag 3 points 2 years ago

Comment on GrapheneOS, an Android custom ROM while touting Apple in same thread.

👍

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echolalia 1 point 2 years ago

I'm not touting apple. Its just a fact.Graphene has you check boxes so you know you're giving permissions to your car. It informs you what information you're giving to android auto. And, if you've installed apps through alternate sources, you do have to go through developer mode in Android Auto to enable apps from alternative sources. It takes less than 5 mins and you only have to do it once, but if you don't, you'll end up thinking android auto is broken in graphene, like the poster I was responding to believed.

I don't think there is a better solution for graphene - it works fine after minimal setup. I'd gladly do that to preserve my privacy when it matters.

Apple doesn't give a shit about informing you what it does with your info so it doesn't do that. I'm not saying its better I'm just being honest. Its quick and dirty.

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delirious_owl -1 points 2 years ago

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If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
Be nice :)

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privacy

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A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
Don't promote proprietary software
Try to keep things on topic
If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
Be nice :)

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

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