The Very Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway
2 years ago by gAlienLifeform to c/news
Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork.
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Realistically is there anything we can do?
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Be ready, especially if you're on the east coast.
The rednecks are assuming they're the only ones with balls and nobody else will stand up to them, like all bullies think.
Prove them wrong.
As a Redneck dont associate us with the white trash. Some of us still remember Blair Mountain and arent fond of the comparison.
My fucking Governor is in on it
I bet a few of them are.
despite the fuckery, many policy decisions are changed by people calling in and emailing in and telling the elected officials that people are watching them and disagree with what they are doing.
public opinion does make a difference, so on a personal level that's what we can do.
Save up so you can buy a bus/train/plane ticket to DC if they try shit. If they do what they're signaling and the legislature fails us it'll be down to mass civil disobedience to keep the country from fascism.
I wish I had a better answer, but they've eroded so many of our institutions.
Grassroots political activism and civic engagement. A sufficiently large victory would help discredit their methods going into the future. In the shorter term, our own legions of poll watchers will provide additional witnesses to offer witness testimony when things inevitably land in court.
Give em the D!
Saving America one D at a time.
Overturning a Kamala Harris victory would require an enormous amount of help from Republican power brokers in statehouses and Congress, some of whom spurned him four years ago.
That won't be a problem for them. Republicans spurn only until it's to their personal advantage to un-spurn.
He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president
This seems like the most likely outcome. System needs reform.
His cronies are at all levels of government, including many red state election officials.
The plan is pretty simple.
Win PA, hold the red states. Trump Wins.
If a red state falls, get it's leadership to declare a Republican win anyway or refuse to send delegates to the Electoral College. This denies Harris EC votes.
Number 2 may mean neither candidate gets 270 EC votes, in this case a joint session of Congress will decide the election. Unless a miracle happens this will be Trump because they vote by State delegation.
If Harris wins PA and the Rust Belt, go to SCOTUS.
If all else fails, go back to January 6th but with rhetoric meant to make the mob want to occupy the Capitol permanently.
They're already trying to get county clerks and election officials to do the job from the inside. Trump even honors them in person at his rallies. So buckle up for a year where election fraud goes big.
Number 5 may be part of the plan but it won't work this time. It only worked last time because Trump himself refused to increase security around the Capitol.
Also because security mostly refused to use deadly force. Those security forces are mostly used to dealing with tourist issues, not criminals with guns. That may change if more hardened, militarized police forces are used.
Occupy the capitol permanently? As if the military industrial complex doesn't have special forces squads who specifically train to exterminate this kind of threat. The nanosecond it becomes serious again, shots will be fired into the insurrectionists until they either give up or stop breathing
We were kinda early to this whole deal. Most of y’all learned from us. And at least we aren’t doing whatever the hell England is with their House of Lords bs
By great, I meant that it is indeed the second largest democracy in the world and that, imperfect as it may be, it is functional... But that last statement will soon be put to the test I'm afraid.
Don't you guys have secret services who have decades of experiencre in overthrowing governments and absuing Institutions abroad? I would think that while the democrats are in charge they would be able to ask those guys what needs to be done to stop this power grab.
They're trying to stay out of this because they don't want it to look like they did it or were involved.
Those individuals want to stick it to the libs also because they took their fun away
In the event of a electoral system collapse, the BIOS of government is "who would the military support?"
Harris wins enough states to get to 270 and then (Some electoral votes get sent wrong/don't get sent and congress/SCOTUS rules Trump the winner), Harris asked the military "who do you support?" and it might be Trump is put in jail by the military before he can be sworn in. Sets a bad "president", but if you throw out the rules to win, expect the other side to do the same.
Except that the Dems are consistently unwilling to play hardball. The generals would have to make the decision to intervene without being asked for that scenario to play out. I don't know much about sentiment in the upper (or even lower) ranks of the US military, but that seems unlikely.
Even then, there's a significant chance Harris refuses to be put in power by military intervention, or the generals believe she would remove them and instruct her attorney general to prosecute them. So military intervention, if successful, would at best mean new (military supervised) elections.
I dunno if we've gotta worry about that, because every day, it's looking more and more like Trump is going to win outright, again. No idea how, with all the experience and years to plan for this, we're going to let this fucking cunt finally kill our Democracy. My faith in the United States is completely shattered.
I mean the clear and obvious answer is that the Democratic Party didn't plan for shit. Their plan was running Biden again with their only platform being "We're Not Trump." In the years since January 6th, they've done nothing to safeguard our democracy, while Republicans have fervently planned for a coup.
This seems like a plan to me, but I guess I'm just brainwashed by the blue MAGA.
Also, when the courts are stacked with ReDUMBlican dick suckers, the only real avenue we have is to win another election to keep on bringing these issues to the people who are, somehow, still "on the fence". The traitors are a lost cause.
Can't really get any meaningful repercussions from those traitors when their "king" cunt keeps calling them "beautiful" and having his cohorts in the courts throw out any meaningful punishments...
The electoral college almost guarantees him a win, it was specifically designed to ensure the slave states always kept power, which is why when they finally lost in 1861, the first thing they did was flip the table.
We really needed to let those states leave, would have been the best thing to ever happen to this country, the trash take themselves out.
I think reconstruction would have gone a lot faster if we'd handed the plantation owners to their slaves and walked away.
They've been inciting racial violence for political ends ever since.
Yeah, you guys have a fair bit more than a "boring" level of corruption yourselves, tbh.
Our media is just better at being wilfully ignorant of the corruption unless it’s about the price of milk.
Only because the threat is being taken seriously and measures are being put in place to prevent him from doing it.
If that’s what helps you sleep at night, great!
He will not win the election. He will not do ANYTHING afterward. There will be no protests.
This will be one of the biggest landslides in history.
Nah, given the history of his behavior, he's going to try something.
And if you think otherwise, please provide logical reasoning why, because I think you are dumb af for saying this
I think they are wrong, but I bet it literally helps them sleep at night. It beats looming dread.
I think I've heard this one before...
I hope you’re right but don’t think you are
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