I thought Harris was a terrible candidate but I voted for her and supported her as I was able.

But seriously, fuck the DNC that keeps giving us such horrible choices.

I wish all the Biden voters who sat out were leftists. But there’s no way there’s fifteen million of us in the country.

I do partially agree with your sentiment but the biggest issue is the Democratic party itself.

In my mind if they hadn't ham fisted Hilary in '16 none of this would have happened in the first place and that's only the tip of the iceberg of that parties failings.

This post is probably going to get (appropriately) modded, but what you said needs to be said.

Maybe re-post it to !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world and continue the conversation there.

The thing about all of this, is that I called it many months ago. Trump has a voter cap. He matched it exactly. 71 million. That same 71 million that came to vote for him in 2020.

All that the voters had to do was go out and overtake that 71 by going 2 - 3 million more and it would've been fine. Blowout if all 15 million people participated and Trump would remain capped.

We would've fucking won this by THAT MUCH! That makes it worse to know that we lost knowing this!!

By February, Ukraine is gone. They already struggle not to win, but just to exist. European aid is not enough, and Ukraine will disappear from maps. The Baltics are next. Moldova is next. Poland is next. Georgia is next. Finland is next. Taiwan is gone. South Korea might survive, but won't ever look the same. NATO is gone. Chinese and ruzzian influence in Africa and South America will grow tenfold. There is no superpower to keep ruzzia and china and north korea and iran in check anymore. Worst, when WWIII start, you will be on the Axis side.

All of that is a win for them. They are not leftist, they are autocratic revanchists. Hurting undesirables was always more important to them than helping others or even themselves, it’s just the definition of “undesirables” that they disagree on with far right.

Same old boring story. You should blame the fascists for their fascism, not leftists.

What you may not be able to understand is that Trump stopped all the "moderate republicans" from leaving him and the dems failed to win them.

The dems ran their campaign on winning moderate republicans. It failed. As it was always going to fail.

The one thing Trump has done right to win was appeal to the people who might listen.

Is amazing you could have to learn the dance lesson over and over again.

Social Democrat, here. Harris wasn't even my 4th pick in 2020 primaries. That said, I campaigned like crazy for her and voted for her because of the very obvious reasons you mentioned.

My wife tried to reach out to one of her cousins who self-describes as a socialist and noted how important it was for his niece and her rights. He wouldn't even respond.

Alright, fuckers... You're going to learn really quickly just how much easier it is to smash a puzzle than put it back together.

Be more angry about Congress. If everything else went Democrats, they could have blocked all this bullshit.

I still don't believe it. But Harris is saying accept it, so the DNC is going to roll over on another steal.

Everyone was reporting record turn outs up to and during the election, but somehow 15m people just didn't show? It's anomomolous.

If the entire world can be fucked by 1 election, maybe it's a bad system.

Blaming ordinary people achieves nothing. If you want to do that, why not start with the ones who actively voted for Trump?

The blame lies with the democratic party establishment. People were not happy and they decided to offer more of the same. And now they try to turn the blame on the guy struggling to afford his groceries rather than admitting to their failure, and then you fall in line and join the blame game. If they believed Trump was such a threat they could have made sure they had the best candidate they could get, with a primary. But they misled you and tried to make it your responsibility to bolster their shitty centrist candidate and convince everyone to ignore the blood on her hands.

IT DID NOT WORK. They were too pig headed to learn this lesson in 2016. If Trump really does what we fear, it might already be too late to learn it. But if it is not, you need to stop blaming your neighbours and start blaming the fuckers who keep trying to force shit sandwiches down your throat just because the other guy is literally Hitler.

Try standing for something other than just being better than Trump for fuck's sake.

This reads like an almost unhinged copypasta.

But you ain't wrong...

I love it.

I feel you, but I chose to see another possible future.

A positive one, this one https://cleantechnica.com/... to be precise.

TLDR: Only the USA will slowly die, ignored by the rest of the world. Europe, China, India and Latam will be the winners and won't go to war to eachother cause they don't need and don't want to. Green energy will flourish everywhere except in the US of A that will rot. It is sad for its population but at least the rest of the world will grow bigger and better.

I know this is a leftist utopia, but I chose to believe (and thus fight) for something better rather than plunge into depression.

Where are these supposed US leftists who didn't vote blue, exactly? I've seen a lot of vitriol towards them but not actually encountered any.

I've only seen people who fit half the description -- e.g. users from lemmygrad or hexbear who railed against Harris but also support Putin or China.. Those probably aren't US voters.

Hey look, someone who learned nothing in 2016 and continues to show they've learned nothing in this election too.

I'm sure the chastisements and lectures are going to help with dispelling the notion that the Democratic party is a party of smug elitists.

This is going to get pulled because this sub doesn't allow selfposts FYI. Not that I disagree with your premise.

Republicans, despite significant consolidation under MAGA, are not a cohesive unit.

This past year, we've seen the buffoonery that was Mike Johnson's election to Speaker of the House. This next year, Donald Trump will bless Mike Johnson but, and a HUGE BUT, the buffoonery still exists and will be amplified by all of the new supporters Donald Trump has this time around. Ex: Elon Musk. More on him later.

But for now, lets address this point.

By February, Ukraine is gone. They already struggle not to win, but just to exist. European aid is not enough, and Ukraine will disappear from maps. The Baltics are next. Moldova is next. Poland is next. Georgia is next. Finland is next. Taiwan is gone. South Korea might survive, but won’t ever look the same. NATO is gone. Chinese and ruzzian influence in Africa and South America will grow tenfold. There is no superpower to keep ruzzia and china and north korea and iran in check anymore. Worst, when WWIII start, you will be on the Axis side.

There's a significant number of Republicans who are against Trump's isolationist rants and will be against him when this begins to happen. And the non-isolationist Republican numbers will grow as this progresses. With only 51 to 53 Senators, Republicans cannot afford significant numbers of defections when it comes to foreign policy / treaties (which must be signed by the Senate).

Democrats will be forced to work in unison with the non-isolationist Republicans to give those 3, 4, or 5 Republicans (willing to stick their necks out) a shot at keeping our foreign policy solid. But that's all we need at those points to prevent the collapse of treaties.

The things I worry about are the broad abuses of executive power over the short term. RFK Jr. in the Department of Health and Human Services + Elon Musk in some kind of major Cabinet (or otherwise Executive position) will wreck our government. We will have a lot of cleaning up / rebuilding to do in 2028.

However, the causes here are too disparate. Elon Musk and RFK Jr. are power hungry monsters. They'll have a few months to settle into their new roles, but ultimately they'll want more power. Never doubt in the narcissist's drive for power. This has come time-and-time again across ancient empires and modern governments: the advisors WILL push back on Trump for self-serving goals, and this WILL cause headaches.

Elon Musk in particular has a significant EV Trade (which Trump's followers are clearly against). Elon Musk has significant ties to China (Gigafactory Shanghai), and China WILL leverage this. Elon Musk is going to ask for calm relations between US and China so that his factories / battery supply stays solid.

So when the inevitable hole in the Tarriffs comes up (ex: Chinese Batteries are free to come in), Donald Trump's promise to the middle class Ford Factory workers (who are currently constructing Ford EV Battery plants) will finally be broken. Or, alternatively, Trump sides with Ford + US Battery manufacturers and fucks Elon Musk over.

Win/Win in my eyes. Either way, someone inside of Trump camp loses. The Tarriffs literally cannot help both Elon Musk's China relationship AND the nascent US Battery manufacturing chain. All the while, Tarriffs are fucking everyone else over, at least know that there's likely no political victories to be had on this front.

At some point, these headaches will be too much and it will be better for Trump to dispose of Elon Musk (or vice versa: Elon Musk to switch allegiances and try to fail upwards once more). There will be a political fight, because this alliance cannot stand long term.

Bernie disagrees with you

I’m with you but it’s time to acknowledge that the Democratic Party and liberalism have failed. We need to offer a genuine, starkly contrasting vision for the future that is wholly different. We can’t be GOP lite and the party of “not Trump.”

I think they cheated and are sowing dissent to cover their tracks and get away with it.

But but but bacon prices. (/s)

Half the country didn’t vote. 70 million people directly voted for this outcome. If you want to rage at something, it would be appropriate to send it that way.

Consider how self-righteous and smug posts serve to dampen enthusiasm and cause people vote in contrarian ways. When dems and their dedicated supporters stopped trying to earn votes and instead switched to the current hostage-negotiation method of campaigning, they also ceased telling any kind of story about the future. The message became “it’s gonna be bad, but possibly less bad than if we let the evil man win” The margins were so bad it can’t be lazily pinned on antifa super soldiers. Something didn’t sell to a huge number of people.

The call is coming from inside the house, and lockstep supporters who refuse to question anything are the reason the DNC felt comfortable running the same losing strategy they’ve run over, and over and over again. To support this is to ensure it will keep happening. The DNC and their apparatus are completely to blame for their poor performance, and trying to externalize the blame simply covers for them and lays the ground work for more poor performance and weak results.

At this point the DNC would probably perform better if it dropped all the consultants and just randomly picked people off the street in different states.

But honestly, this is assuming the DNC fucked up, but they really do seem more comfortable with a fascist being in power than a candidate who might threaten corporate power, so possibly this is just the system functioning as intended.

If I lived in a swing state, I suspect I would have voted Harris based on harm reduction, but it would have pissed me off. They’ve indirectly told me they don’t want, and don’t need my vote throughout the campaign.

You couldn't be more correct, honestly.

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Unbiased feedback.

You need to realize not everyone thinks the way you do. People have their reasoning to their believes whether you consider them good or bad, that is your view and your view alone. This is the exact reason for voting and the existence of social democracy so each individual can make their voice hurt how they choose when voting.

You are angry right now, I get it. It didn’t go the way you wanted. But, you are the one who is sounding like you are sitting on a high horse scolding at large groups of people who don’t view the situation, the politics, the world the way you do. Come down and know that this is what democracy looks like.

I’m sorry that the election result didn’t go your way and your view of the world is falling apart. Such anger can only cause you harm for something you cannot control.

Kamala lost because she bear hugged the war criminals Netanyahu, Dick Cheney, and Joe Biden. She lost because, in a time of great economic suffering, her economic proposals did not meet the moment. She lost because she couldn't counter Trump's bullshit, her word salad is neither effective nor inspiring.

Blaming leftists for her failure is a pathetic, terminally online coping mechanism.

Maybe the Democrats should have armed fewer genocides if they wanted people to be excited to vote for them.

Gay and trans people have already been dying to American bombs just that they're in Palestine makes it a back burner issue? as a trans person I stand by voting for a non genocidal candidate as suggested by the PFLP.

By February, Ukraine is gone

So if Russia and Ukraine instead sign a peace deal with borders similar to where the Russian/Ukrainian speaking majorities are, and Russia doesn't invade the rest of europe and Georgia, will you do any introspection?

WWIII start, you will be on the Axis side.

The evil empire that prevents the global south from developing economically to keep resources and labor cheap by providing weapons to dictators is the axis side for WWIII. Like no matter who we end up allied with, most of humanity recognizes us as the bad guys.

The only way we could survive this is by being a united, social-liberal democratic beacon of hope for the rest of the western world, but we’re fucked.

Yup, letting neoliberalism hollow out your states created the conditions for fascism. Same thing happened over here.