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FlyingSquid 70 points 3 years ago

He never saw anything himself. He has no pictures, no video, not a shred of evidence. All he has is what he says others have told him.

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RaoulDook 23 points 3 years ago

He gave specifics about how the intel agencies are covering up the UAP programs by using Special Access Programs that are not accessible to Congress, and how what they are not releasing should be released under law (citing specific US law codes). He also answered a congressman's question about how they are funding these projects without Congressional approval, by saying they are "misappropriating funds" and said he has provided evidence of such to the Inspector General.

FYI this is big news, that a member of the intel community testified under oath to Congress that their is a UFO / UAP project being illegally withheld from government oversight.

In addition to all that, the Air Force pilots testified under oath before Congress that these UAP sightings are happening frequently and have been happening for decades, and that the craft exhibit characteristics that indicate technology that vastly exceeds anything we could touch with our own defense capabilities. Members of Congress expressed concern that this is a "grave threat to national security" on the record.

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FlyingSquid 17 points 3 years ago

Did Grusch testify about his conspiracy theory that the Pope helped smuggle a UFO out of Mussolini's Italy to the U.S.?

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BenDoubleU 7 points 3 years ago

He did actually bring up that his knowledge of events went back to the 1930s... which I'm assuming is that theory.

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FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago

Seems like a pretty important thing to forget to mention to congress...

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RaoulDook 2 points 3 years ago

Nope. I wouldn't put it past those greasy popes to do something like that though.

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snausagesinablanket 0 points 3 years ago
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Ultraviolet 4 points 3 years ago

One thing's for sure. If he's lying about being prepared to present the evidence he claims to have, we'll hear about the perjury charges in the near future. If that doesn't happen, things get much more interesting.

Realistically I expect to be hearing about a perjury charge, but part of me hopes for the longshot chance of being proven wrong.

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RaoulDook 2 points 3 years ago

The Intelligence Community Inspector General received his official whistleblower complaint along with evidence, and they stated his case was "credible and urgent" and Grusch is being represented by the former Inspector General for the case. He definitely has evidence to back up what he's saying, at least in part.

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mookulator 1 point 3 years ago

Like everything, there is lots of grey area between “evidence of aliens” and “lying”. He probably has evidence of something, but it’s debatable whether it’s evidence of everything he claims. He won’t necessarily get perjury charges for interpreting evidence in a peculiar way.

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spacesape 2 points 3 years ago

said he has provided evidence of such to the Inspector General.

I missed that, do you have an approximation on when during the hearing he said it?

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RaoulDook 1 point 3 years ago

Nope. You can probably look for it on C-SPAN's recording of the hearing though.

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spacesape 1 point 3 years ago

I assume it will be transcribed and put online pretty quick. Makes for easy searching. Still worth a shot, I've seen people make notes of video timestamps almost like others highlight text.

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SignullGone 10 points 3 years ago

He provided the evidence to the Inspector General.

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FlyingSquid 4 points 3 years ago

No he didn't because he didn't have any to provide.

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SignullGone 7 points 3 years ago

We will have to agree to disagree.

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bane_killgrind 7 points 3 years ago

Not providing any publicly == not providing any.

This is such a strong statement when operational security is a requirement for investigations into intelligence workers.

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MelastSB 5 points 3 years ago

He didn't see graphite on the roof, because there wasn't any

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galaxyawesome 16 points 3 years ago

The bipartisan cooperation from from congress was surprising - Didn’t know Gaetz could sound so level-headed.

One of the members said it well - If there’s a mystery craft out there that can outfly any known military vehicle, that’s a national security concern, regardless of where it came from or who it belongs to. And if a black-budget entity in the government is siphoning taxpayer funds to research this kind of technology, there should be at least some level of oversight.

Really hoping they pull Grusch into a SCIF and take this further. There wasn’t much new info today, but this is the first step to formalize what we know so far and get the wheels of disclosure turning.

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SignullGone 6 points 3 years ago

Couldn't agree more with everything you said. Well put.

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HM05_Me 5 points 3 years ago

I always appreciate when politicians set aside their differences to work on an issue. Some of the representatives I disagree with or otherwise despise, but I can still respect individual actions like this.

Regardless of origin of these craft, this exposes security flaws and abuse of power by groups in the government and private sector. This will likely be the main subject that congress and the senate will pursue. As much as we want to hear about the NHI aspect of this, it's a harder subject for Congress to justify pursuing than security and potential financial abuse of these groups. Along the way we can slowly get the disclosure that the UAP/UFO community seeks.

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Fizyo 3 points 3 years ago

This is what felt bizarre for me about this hearing, a lot of these people shouldn't be on the same panel together according to their differences yet they came together to tackle this issue as if they're the best of friends behind the public eye.

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Rodsterlings_cig 14 points 3 years ago

Ignorant question incoming: Why does it seem like aliens only want to deal with America, why not other countries?

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SignullGone 17 points 3 years ago

If you are to believe what has been stated by David Grusch and others, The United States is not the only country. I recommend the UAP Guide on the sidebar as a pretty good baseline to get up to speed, if you are curious. I linked you to the section called "Global phenomena".

I hope I was able to answer your question.

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Rodsterlings_cig 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks for this, will take an in depth look!

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SignullGone 4 points 3 years ago

Good luck! There is no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid answers.

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EhList 2 points 3 years ago
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spacesape 12 points 3 years ago

Do you think the oath swearing lends credibility to the statements?

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SignullGone 9 points 3 years ago

Considering the consequences of getting caught lying under oath to Congress, I personally believe it lends credibility to the person's testimony. However, I understand that others may not feel the same way.

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Xiphorang 6 points 3 years ago

He may very well sincerely believe everything he's saying, but that doesn't mean it's true. Perhaps he's been lied to, or perhaps he's just crazy. Who knows?

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spacesape 2 points 3 years ago

Well, he doesn't act crazy, nor does he present what I see as crazy claims so I'm comfortable to exclude "crazy" from the list.

Still it feels like not enough people here is open to the possibility of Grusch being fed lies and believing it himself, or even that the entire thing being a limited hangout.

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legion02 6 points 3 years ago

Proving he's lying would be... difficult.

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SignullGone 8 points 3 years ago

Or easy considering the evidence he is providing them in a closed door session or SCIF.

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spacesape 3 points 3 years ago

Is there any way to find out what sort of evidence he's volunteered to present in a SCIF? From what I understood (not native English speaker) there were certain confirmations he'd only be willing to make in a secure location, but I didn't catch any mentions of actual evidence.

To me it seems the statements he's only willing to make in a SCIF was of the "Yes I can confirm that we have alien bodies." type. That's kinda already implicit.

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Pratai 2 points 3 years ago
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pizza_rolls 8 points 3 years ago

UFOs and non-human bodies does not mean aliens. I am not surprised at all that they have remnants of other countries stealth planes or whatever to gain intelligence. I have non-human bodies in my house, I have 2 cats.

But unlike him, I have actually seen these non-human bodies for myself.

I thought we all agreed this dude was a scam artist a while ago. Wake me up when something actually interesting happens outside of grasping at straws for attention. Every single hyped up reveal this guy has done has been the same recycled shit.

I do believe there is life on other planets for sure, I just don't believe the government is capable of covering it up. And I definitely don't believe the fucking pope smuggled an alien spacecraft back in 1930 lmao

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CMLVI 1 point 3 years ago

That's my take on all this as well. He's confirming the existence of unknown crafts (plenty of powers could have "unidentified crafts" to the US, simply because we haven't identified it yet. It's not like wreckage found will be stamped "This is from a new Russian MIG"), and same with non-human bodies. It doesn't say they aren't identified, he says non-human. If they weren't identified, wouldn't they be saying unknown species? I can't watch the video yet cause of work, but does he combine the two into "these non-human bodies are associated with the UFOs"? Cause otherwise, it's nothing.

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SignullGone 7 points 3 years ago

Seeing how this thread took off, I would like to mention that I have updated the Featured post in regards to the hearing. I will try to add relevant information to that post and continue the discussion in regards to the hearing for when this post inevitably fades away due to new posts.

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atocci 5 points 3 years ago

Were they really under oath? I couldn't watch it live, but there was a post on this community a few days ago of this Tweet specifically saying the witnesses wouldn't be under oath.

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SignullGone 9 points 3 years ago

Yes. There was some mixed reporting leading up to the hearing on if it would be under oath or not. All 3 witnesses stood up and swore an oath before the hearing began.

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half_built_pyramids -1 points 3 years ago

swore an oath before the hearing began.

That doesn't sound like an actually binding for perjury type oath.

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SignullGone 7 points 3 years ago

The oaths took place after the hearing began, I mispoke. What I meant was before the questions began.

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BenDoubleU 7 points 3 years ago path: 0 1746621 1746981, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
TokenBoomer 5 points 3 years ago

What’s the point of a whistleblower if he can only talk in a scif behind closed doors 🚪? It does seem to be bi-partisan with minimal politicking.

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SignullGone 3 points 3 years ago

The bi-partisanship probably deserves it's own headline.

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Buelldozer 1 point 3 years ago

That damned TR-3B is going to end up being real, I just know.

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Busy 2 points 3 years ago

What is TR 3b?

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spacesape 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 1750015 1752624 1754087, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
Busy 2 points 3 years ago

Oh that's quite neat

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Pratai -2 points 3 years ago
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grabyourmotherskeys 3 points 3 years ago

Pretend Grusch wasn't there. Do you feel that way about Graves and Fravor?

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Pratai 0 points 3 years ago
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grabyourmotherskeys 1 point 3 years ago

Just so I understand, you think the first pilot to engage with the Tic Tac craft is relaying second hand information?

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Pratai 0 points 3 years ago
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