George R. R. Martin Says It’s Annoying When TV Adaptations Don’t Stick to the Source Material: “They change things and I don’t think they generally improve them."

2 years ago by Blaze (he/him) to c/showsandmovies

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 107 points 2 years ago

Well get off your ass and finish a fucking book and maybe you wouldn't have this problem GEORGE

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fartsparkles 40 points 2 years ago

He has made his bank and has no major incentive to finish the series. It’s been 13 years, the guy is 76, and he’s supposedly got two books left to go.

My money is on Sanderson getting handed the notes after Martin dies and bringing the series to an unsatisfying conclusion because, at this point, nothing will be satisfying.

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Albbi 18 points 2 years ago

Sanderson was a huge Wheel of Time fan which is part of why he could take over and finish that series. The dude reread the series after every book came out. I don't know if he's as huge of a fan of Game of Thrones.

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Dagnet 14 points 2 years ago

Yeah, Sanderson is my favorite author of all time but I don't see him finishing Game of Thrones. It's a completely different style from what he writes, he probably wouldn't even enjoy writing it, and tbh I don't even think he would do a good job of it.

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GiantRobotTRex 9 points 2 years ago

He talked about this 8 years ago on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/...

He agrees with you. It's not his style, he doesn't think he's the right person for the job, and would decline if asked to do it.

And to the point made by @Albbi@lemmy.ca, at the time he had only read the first book so it doesn't seem that he's in the "huge fan" category.

Maybe something has changed since then but I really doubt it.

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DragonTypeWyvern 2 points 2 years ago

He actually had a writer's circle that will probably be tapped to finish the job.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078MS44G8

It's about angels fucking things up for feudal humans who ride dinosaurs.

It's wild, and I unironically love it.

There's absolutely no way he'd have a gotten a blurb from Martin if they weren't friends, but it's either one of those guys or someone like Joe Abercrombie.

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 12 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah it's way too late. The damage to ASOIAF has been done. I'd rather just let it die.

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Blxter 4 points 2 years ago

Book readers would probably disagree

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 16 points 2 years ago

I read them like 5 times, no lie. I loved those books. Seriously. I spent so much time on /r/asoiaf, I had thousands and thousands of karma from there. I was really, really into it.

At this point I'm fine with letting it be dead. There are other books to read.

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ElcaineVolta 11 points 2 years ago

I read the books, and after the show I've lost all interest. the two final books could miraculously come out today and I wouldn't care in the slightest.

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BertramDitore 7 points 2 years ago

Nah, I read the books as they came out, loved them, went to book signings and everything. I waited furiously for him to finish the next one, and finally gave up on him years ago after he released some sample chapters, went silent, and then started getting nasty with anyone who asked him when he would be done. He’s not going to finish the series, and that’s fine, but I wish he would respect his fans and be honest about it. I genuinely don’t care about his characters anymore. Plenty of other better books to read.

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Observer1199 3 points 2 years ago
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Gamerman153 4 points 2 years ago

Sanderson did an interview and said it's not his style, think he recommended Joe Abercrombie be the one to finish it but it's been a while.

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Valmond 2 points 2 years ago

"50 years later..."

All is good now! Yay!

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Duamerthrax 1 point 2 years ago

So he was never making art in the first place? Glad I never went anywhere near that franchise.

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Professorozone 39 points 2 years ago

You know what else is annoying? When an author writes five out of six wildly popular books and leaves his fans hanging after they committed over ten years into reading them.

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cyrano 23 points 2 years ago

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plz1 23 points 2 years ago

Pot...kettle...black.

He's had how many decades to finish his series?

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Toneswirly 18 points 2 years ago

The Last of Us changed the Bill character for the better. Thats only one example though. Fight Club comes to mind, even Palahniuk said Fincher made a good changes

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93maddie94 2 points 2 years ago

Neil Druckman said that nothing is allowed to be changed unless it’s an improvement on the game’s story. I think it’s really important to have the initial writer/creator’s input on everything. Too many movies and TV shows just stray too far from the source material and disappoint everyone.

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago

Eh, I view it more as "This is a better, but different Bill." There's a place for paranoid hoarding weirdos in your zombie stories, don't take that away from them.

You're always trying to take things from them...

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CMDR_Horn 9 points 2 years ago

Since the shitty ending he wanted tested so poorly, he should pivot. White walkers win, fuck the world. Heroes don’t always win. He’s kinda of that opinion already

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greenshirtdenimjeans 4 points 2 years ago
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MimicJar 1 point 2 years ago

The thing is, with enough background and time many of the endings we got make sense.

  • Bran becoming King. Makes sense if planned out by Bloodraven. He's been slowly moving things around and controlling the fates of others to ensure he is in control when the white walkers attack. (It's possible it will be more of a dictator situation rather than king, or he will control/heavily advise whomever is the "king")
  • Dany going "mad". (f)Aegon is a huge problem for her conquest. She has been told her whole life she is meant to save Westeros. She has put in all the time and effort. She has dragons. But is she a savior or a conqueror?
  • Jon ultimately killing Dany. A lot will change in the lead up, but it probably roughly plays our similarly.
  • Varys killed by Dany. I assume related to the (f)Aegon plot. He isn't going to join Dany in Essos. He'll just be on the wrong side of things.

There is plenty more. The issue of course is that you need A LOT more story you need to tell. And the books have a lot more characters. And we need to rewind a handful of stories that show already closed off much earlier. So I understand that there is a lot to write. But also, I agree it's been soooooo long.

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago

I'd always thought that the theme was that the White Walkers weren't a world ender: it'd just end pseudo-Britain. The world is a bigger place than your corner of it, no matter how important it seems to you.

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Luisp 5 points 2 years ago

is he talking about dune?

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almizilero 5 points 2 years ago

"... without asking how he’s balancing these projects with the long-awaited sixth and final book, The Winds of Winter, in his A Song of Ice and Fire series."

If only... I might have hopes if he only had Winds to finish. But there's also A Dream of Spring and that will never see the light of day. At least not written by Martin.

I sometimes wonder how far he got, then saw the negative reaction to the end of GoT and went Sod it, I'm not rewriting all of that ...

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philycheeze 1 point 2 years ago

My personal conspiracy theory is that they’re mostly done and he’s just going to wait to release them when he’s dead. Then he doesn’t have to hear everyone bitching about it lol

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socialmedia 3 points 2 years ago

My theory is that they aren't near done. They will be finished by a publisher after he's dead using AI. They will be awful but everyone will buy them anyway.

Then there will be a new miniseries based on the books after around 10 years that they'll call a reboot and definitive edition. This miniseries will probably be directed by AI. And it will be SHIT. And they'll make tons of money.

Sorry.

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DrSteveBrule 4 points 2 years ago

Too bad we didn't get an accurate towards the source material Forrest Gump movie

Edit: Too bad we didn't get a Forrest Gump movie that stuck to the source material

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corsicanguppy 1 point 2 years ago

That was hard for us - outside your head - to read. If only there were some additional markings, like spicy dots, that you could have put in there to delineate sub-clauses and such; and help reproduce the sentence flow you were imagining.

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DrSteveBrule 5 points 2 years ago

Honestly, after I posted it, I reread it and totally agree with what you're saying. I also didn't really care to spend the time editing it as I felt it was good enough for a silly lemmy comment on a post with very little engagement.

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Shawdow194 3 points 2 years ago
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ikidd 3 points 2 years ago

Oh, hey, George? I think I have something for you here, I have it in my pocket, just let me pull it out.... yah, there, got it.

Go fuck yourself, George.

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Mango 1 point 2 years ago

Source material when?

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Doom 0 points 2 years ago

Everyone mad he hasn't finished a book has never written a book

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